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BumRushDaShow

(166,095 posts)
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 08:24 AM Oct 2023

'Trump Too Small' T-shirt slogan turns into US Supreme Court battle

Source: Reuters

October 27, 2023 6:10 AM EDT


WASHINGTON, Oct 27 (Reuters) - "Trump Too Small" - a phrase mocking former President Donald Trump that a California lawyer intended to slap on T-shirts - instead has become the center of another U.S. Supreme Court battle exploring the intersection of trademark law and free speech rights. The justices are set to hear arguments on Wednesday in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office's appeal of a lower court's decision that reversed the agency's denial of attorney Steve Elster's 2018 trademark application for "Trump Too Small."

At issue is whether the U.S. Constitution's First Amendment free speech protections for criticism of public figures outweigh the agency's concerns over Trump's rights, as the lower court found. The agency will try to convince the justices to uphold a 1946 federal law that bars trademarks featuring a person's name without consent. President Joe Biden's administration is seeking to protect Trump - the man he defeated in the 2020 U.S. election - from, in its view, having his name misappropriated in commerce. Trump is not personally involved in the case.

Elster has argued that a ruling favoring the government would give politicians improper control over speech about them. The agency, on the other hand, has said that trademarks like Elster's could restrict the free speech of others on political matters by giving legal ownership of certain words to specific people. Trademarks protect identifiers of sources of goods, like brand names, logos and advertising slogans.

The Supreme Court in recent years has struck down two trademark laws based on free speech concerns. It ruled in favor of Asian-American rock band The Slants in 2017 against a ban on trademarks that "disparage," and in favor of artist Erik Brunetti against a prohibition on "immoral" or "scandalous" marks in a dispute over his "FUCT" brand in 2019.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-too-small-t-shirt-slogan-turns-into-us-supreme-court-battle-2023-10-27/

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'Trump Too Small' T-shirt slogan turns into US Supreme Court battle (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Oct 2023 OP
Should not be able to trademark political speech hueymahl Oct 2023 #1
I agree, but he should be able to sell the shirts, anyway William Seger Oct 2023 #5
100% hueymahl Oct 2023 #11
FUCT - I love it. Hadn't heard of that brand before. CrispyQ Oct 2023 #2
Trademarks are usually associated with a specific product, use, design I think bucolic_frolic Oct 2023 #3
So, If This Guy Loses Deep State Witch Oct 2023 #4
No. He is not being denied the right to produce them, only the right to EXCLUSIVELY do so. Wonder Why Oct 2023 #6
No, they just can't get a trademark William Seger Oct 2023 #7
Sadly, no OKIsItJustMe Oct 2023 #14
If Drump would just show everyone that he's "not small" SouthernDem4ever Oct 2023 #8
OMG ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #15
Seriously. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #16
Ask the guy Trump calls 'Little' Marco Rubio. keithbvadu2 Oct 2023 #19
And 'tricky dicky', referring to ex-president Richard Nixon... SWBTATTReg Oct 2023 #20
Free speech for me... RexLipton Oct 2023 #9
Huh? onenote Oct 2023 #13
trump wants a margin on the profits Bayard Oct 2023 #10
He has nothing to do with this case. onenote Oct 2023 #12
Sounds fairly straightforward to me. ShazzieB Oct 2023 #17
If you trump too low in a card game, you can lose the trick. dickthegrouch Oct 2023 #18
My Tee shirt to patent Traildogbob Oct 2023 #21

hueymahl

(2,902 posts)
1. Should not be able to trademark political speech
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 08:36 AM
Oct 2023

Trademark office should win this one and the denial be upheld. Trademarks restrict free use which, by definition, restrict free speech.

William Seger

(12,233 posts)
5. I agree, but he should be able to sell the shirts, anyway
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 09:03 AM
Oct 2023

... just no trademark, so anyone can sell them.

bucolic_frolic

(54,130 posts)
3. Trademarks are usually associated with a specific product, use, design I think
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 08:59 AM
Oct 2023

If a trademark is granted, candidates would be wise to grab real estate much like the early internet days to prevent the use of their name(s) in disparaging ways.

Wonder Why

(6,563 posts)
6. No. He is not being denied the right to produce them, only the right to EXCLUSIVELY do so.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 09:03 AM
Oct 2023

And I think that is the way it should be.

William Seger

(12,233 posts)
7. No, they just can't get a trademark
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 09:16 AM
Oct 2023

This is not "free speech" restriction; trademarks just protect you from someone selling a product using your brand name. All rights have limits, typically where they bump up against someone else's rights -- a fact that gun nuts choose to ignore.

ShazzieB

(22,238 posts)
16. Seriously.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 03:23 PM
Oct 2023

The only thing grosser than Trump is any part of Trump unclothed.

Especially that part.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
19. Ask the guy Trump calls 'Little' Marco Rubio.
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 08:49 PM
Oct 2023

Little Marco set himself up as the expert on Trump's 'little' features.

onenote

(45,993 posts)
12. He has nothing to do with this case.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 12:12 PM
Oct 2023

Just don't want DUers to be confused by your post.

ShazzieB

(22,238 posts)
17. Sounds fairly straightforward to me.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 03:32 PM
Oct 2023
The agency will try to convince the justices to uphold a 1946 federal law that bars trademarks featuring a person's name without consent.


If there's a federal law that says this, I don't even understand the point of the court case, unless he's hoping SCOTUS will declare the law unconstitutional

Make all the shirts you want, dude. You just can't trademark a phrase that includes someone's name.

dickthegrouch

(4,309 posts)
18. If you trump too low in a card game, you can lose the trick.
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 01:22 PM
Oct 2023

I think it’s a brilliant play on words calling TFG a loser. Truth and accuracy in three words. Better than we get from the supposed subject in entire “speeches“.
YW.

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