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ificandream

(11,709 posts)
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:11 PM Oct 2023

US judge asks Trump if he wants his federal election trial televised

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON, Oct 27 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Friday asked former President Donald Trump whether he wants to appear on television when he stands trial in federal court on charges of attempting to overturn his 2020 election defeat.

U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington asked Trump’s lawyers to give their opinion by Nov. 10 on media requests to broadcast the trial, which is scheduled to begin in March 2024.

In two separate filings, NBC News and a coalition of 19 media organizations and press advocacy groups argue that the public has a right to see an unprecedented trial of a former U.S. president who is also the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican nomination. They argue that a federal rule barring broadcast of criminal proceedings is unconstitutional.

Prosecutors have said in court filings that they oppose the effort but have not explained why. They are due to file their argument by Nov. 3.



Read more: https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-asks-trump-if-he-wants-his-federal-election-trial-televised-2023-10-27/



Please, please, please!
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US judge asks Trump if he wants his federal election trial televised (Original Post) ificandream Oct 2023 OP
The prosecutors might be worried about 'real time' trouble from the cult Siwsan Oct 2023 #1
There is also the OJ effect The Grand Illuminist Oct 2023 #8
Or Katcat Oct 2023 #45
Good point! Siwsan Oct 2023 #48
"Only the defense part & not any cross-examinations with lots of time to have my face repainted" Wonder Why Oct 2023 #2
Trump performing for the camera? I have mixed feelings about it. Chainfire Oct 2023 #3
Exactly Rebl2 Oct 2023 #4
Me, too. I'd love to watch but I get why the prosecutors would rather not Ocelot II Oct 2023 #6
I'm not aware that the prosecution has expressed an opinion. brooklynite Oct 2023 #22
From the article cited in the OP: Ocelot II Oct 2023 #23
I say please no hibbing Oct 2023 #11
Same...not a good idea PortTack Oct 2023 #12
I'm 50/50 about it... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #24
Why would the Judge show any deference to MOMFUDSKI Oct 2023 #5
Now that a judicial panel's decided, Chutkan has to at least ask Trump as a matter of due process. ancianita Oct 2023 #10
Just to have it from the horses ass mouth Captain Zero Oct 2023 #34
Not the horse's mouth melm00se Oct 2023 #40
They'll cut the hamburder in pieces for him Marthe48 Oct 2023 #42
Did Chutkan not get the news about the federal judicial panel's latest ruling? They said ancianita Oct 2023 #7
The vain cretin sure wouldn't mind having his mug on TV. Dave Bowman Oct 2023 #9
Do the OPPOSITE of whatever he says he wants. Oopsie Daisy Oct 2023 #13
I like this idea best so far. halobeam Oct 2023 #27
only if joe biden gets equal time nt msongs Oct 2023 #14
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2023 #15
Letting TV producers win this one DJ Porkchop Oct 2023 #16
She asked the prosecution. Now she is asking the defense Novara Oct 2023 #17
The only part I would want to see would be cross examination of Anal Fistula if he 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #18
Anal Fistulas are very ugly when they testify Captain Zero Oct 2023 #35
The public has an interest in seeing a presidential candidate tried for felonies before the election Novara Oct 2023 #19
The only problem, imo, is that the media ruins everything. Oneironaut Oct 2023 #33
As much as I'd like to watch it... i dont think its a good idea. IcyPeas Oct 2023 #20
His lawyers probably don't plan on him taking the stand. LudwigPastorius Oct 2023 #21
If this trial is televised - we have no need to worry FakeNoose Oct 2023 #25
I agree with you, FakeNoose... slightlv Oct 2023 #26
Agree with you about the Florida trial - some secrets cannot be revealed FakeNoose Oct 2023 #28
Well said. That's exactly the reason it was considered a good idea to have it televised Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #38
IMHO, the question we should be asking ourselves KS Toronado Oct 2023 #29
Federal rule was to prevent grandstanding Old Crank Oct 2023 #30
This would be a big mistake. Trump would turn it into a reality-show "trial by media" sideshow PSPS Oct 2023 #31
You have changed my mind. tavernier Oct 2023 #39
Meh Oneironaut Oct 2023 #32
We need more voo doo dolls NOW. Captain Zero Oct 2023 #36
I'm with a few.... BigOleDummy Oct 2023 #37
I don't care how much he tries to make it a media circus televising his trial is not good for him. ificandream Oct 2023 #41
As much as I'd like to watch this, I believe the prosecutors have good reason to object. Native Oct 2023 #43
A good Democratic strategy for the 2024 election ... ificandream Oct 2023 #44
He probably spends every day practicing his fake scowl in front of a mirror and calls it "rehearsing" world wide wally Oct 2023 #46
All he needs is the clown makeup. ificandream Oct 2023 #47
Not a right, but the judge's discretion Shoonra Oct 2023 #49
Why should he have a say in this? samplegirl Oct 2023 #50
Videotape it for history, BobsYourUncle Oct 2023 #51

Siwsan

(27,813 posts)
1. The prosecutors might be worried about 'real time' trouble from the cult
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:14 PM
Oct 2023

and how they will act out when they fear their god is being blasphemed.

The Grand Illuminist

(2,010 posts)
8. There is also the OJ effect
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:33 PM
Oct 2023

Where the trial will drag on and on. People thought the OJ trial would last 3 months, but it took almost a year to complete.

Katcat

(547 posts)
45. Or
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:08 PM
Oct 2023

The prosecutors know by saying NO television it’s just as likely that will cause trump to demand it be televised.

Wonder Why

(6,563 posts)
2. "Only the defense part & not any cross-examinations with lots of time to have my face repainted"
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:15 PM
Oct 2023

Rebl2

(17,437 posts)
4. Exactly
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:23 PM
Oct 2023

You know he will go into performance mode. I think prosecutors should have a say.

Ocelot II

(129,295 posts)
6. Me, too. I'd love to watch but I get why the prosecutors would rather not
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:29 PM
Oct 2023

have the trial televised - the potential for TFG acting up and his lawyers speechifying is considerable, even though he's not likely to testify himself. The positive thing about live proceedings is that everyone could see all testimony and TFG's mouthpieces couldn't spin it on Fox. The George Floyd murder trial was televised - the first time a criminal trial was ever televised in MN - and I think it went a long way to let people see how a trial is done fairly.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
22. I'm not aware that the prosecution has expressed an opinion.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:38 PM
Oct 2023

And Trump's ability to act up is extremely constrained.

Ocelot II

(129,295 posts)
23. From the article cited in the OP:
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:40 PM
Oct 2023

"Prosecutors have said in court filings that they oppose the effort but have not explained why. They are due to file their argument by Nov. 3."

hibbing

(10,531 posts)
11. I say please no
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:44 PM
Oct 2023

With his idiot supporters, AI and video editing/manipulation I would rather not.

ancianita

(42,983 posts)
10. Now that a judicial panel's decided, Chutkan has to at least ask Trump as a matter of due process.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:36 PM
Oct 2023

To help "appeal-proof" the trial over "insufficient due process."

ancianita

(42,983 posts)
7. Did Chutkan not get the news about the federal judicial panel's latest ruling? They said
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:30 PM
Oct 2023

no, their hands are tied, and even if they could, she'd have to throw her March trial out until 2026. If she did know...

She's probably only asking Trump to appeal-proof her case if Trump's team were to appeal on grounds of "failure of due process." Of course he'll want a trial in 2026!

yesterday from brooklynite
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143150407


A federal judicial panel has turned down a bid to allow live television coverage of two historic criminal trials of former President Donald Trump scheduled for next year.

Without apparent dissent, a committee that handles potential changes to the federal courts’ criminal rules concluded Thursday that it had no ability to alter the existing ban on broadcasting federal criminal trials.

“We have no authority to authorize exceptions to an across-the-board, straight rule.”

The head of the Advisory Committee on Criminal Rules, U.S. District Judge James Dever, also said the glacial pace federal law prescribes for amending federal court rules means that, even if the panel approved a change, it wouldn’t take effect until 2026 or 2027.

Dave Bowman

(6,745 posts)
9. The vain cretin sure wouldn't mind having his mug on TV.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 04:34 PM
Oct 2023

If it happens then the insane OJ media circus would look reasonable in comparison.

DJ Porkchop

(635 posts)
16. Letting TV producers win this one
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:11 PM
Oct 2023

would be as heinous a decision as when Joe Scarborough took calls from him for a year before the election.

MSM needs clicks and video to sell. This is not a good enough reason and we will all feel sick about it later.

I want to see it too. But don't you believe it would muck up this place even more?

Not my clown - not my circus.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
17. She asked the prosecution. Now she is asking the defense
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:24 PM
Oct 2023

He was humiliated by Engoron the other day so that may be fresh in his mind. It's a toss-up whether his ego will win or if he has a shred of self-awareness that sitting silently in the courtroom makes him look extremely weak, not strong.

3Hotdogs

(15,057 posts)
18. The only part I would want to see would be cross examination of Anal Fistula if he
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:26 PM
Oct 2023

testifies.

Captain Zero

(8,756 posts)
35. Anal Fistulas are very ugly when they testify
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 03:07 AM
Oct 2023

Antibiotics will be required for all of us.

Novara

(6,115 posts)
19. The public has an interest in seeing a presidential candidate tried for felonies before the election
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:26 PM
Oct 2023

This isn't entertainment. It's in the public interest to see a former president on trial for multiple felonies, especially before the election. We need to see exactly how he tried to steal an election he lost.

Oneironaut

(6,227 posts)
33. The only problem, imo, is that the media ruins everything.
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:15 AM
Oct 2023

Prepare for, “Did you see how HILARIOUS Trump was on the stand? Americans can’t get enough of it!” This in part will help him, because people love a trainwreck, and, the media refuses to take anything seriously.

IcyPeas

(24,911 posts)
20. As much as I'd like to watch it... i dont think its a good idea.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:29 PM
Oct 2023

Trump is ALL about tv ratings. The ratings for this would be YUUUGE

LudwigPastorius

(14,249 posts)
21. His lawyers probably don't plan on him taking the stand.
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 05:30 PM
Oct 2023

They know that if he gets up there under oath, their case is lost.

Trump, on the other hand, I'm sure wants to testify, especially if it means TV time.

Counting down to when he will fire the lot of them and start over with a new gaggle of strip mall lawyers.

FakeNoose

(40,320 posts)
25. If this trial is televised - we have no need to worry
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 06:19 PM
Oct 2023

Chump won't be lionized in a televised trial, he won't be made into a "TV star."

What will happen is for once the American public will see the unvarnished, unedited TRUTH about him. He can't control himself, he angers visibly and quickly, when anyone questions or disagrees with his answers. He can't speak in complete sentences, because he keeps interrupting himself with unrelated thoughts. (Often his crazy speeches and interviews were backwards edited by journalists in an attempt to make him sound intelligent. BUT that's not how he speaks.)

Chump cannot speak the truth, he only says what he thinks you want to hear. "Truth" is meaningless, even when he's under oath. Instead of answering questions, he'll throw unrelated accusations back at the prosecutors and judge. It will be so easy to fact-check him and prove him wrong directly to his face, and he won't be able to handle it.

It will become obvious to everyone - including the MAGA crowd - how inept Chump is when they see him at trial. In real-time live TV, it will be an obvious mess. Nobody can turn it into a slickly edited production. Just ask Mark Burnett, the former producer of "The Apprentice" and "Celebrity Apprentice" TV series.

slightlv

(7,448 posts)
26. I agree with you, FakeNoose...
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 09:10 PM
Oct 2023

I want the trial televised for some of the very reasons you stated. In addition, something this important to American History... this pivotal... I think needs to be televised. Don't let the spin monkey's get their hands on "court reports" etc... we see how that's going right now with the *rumps civil trial in NY. Let the plain words from the witnesses mouths be spoken for all to hear (at least) and see. Let everyone see his temperament. I'd bet enough of these MAGA cultists have had their own run-ins with the law to know how a courtroom is suppose to be run, and how people are "suppose" to act. It will be in-their-face all the time if it's televised how inappropriate for the office *rump is.

I also want to see the FL trial televised, but it won't be. Too many secrets that could come out to the public about TS documents. But both of these trials put the traitor on trial. Historically... and for the present time... it's too important to be kept hidden in the background and reported on only by reporters with their own skin in the game. Journalism is gone; it's now all sensationalism.

FakeNoose

(40,320 posts)
28. Agree with you about the Florida trial - some secrets cannot be revealed
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 10:21 PM
Oct 2023

It's important that the Washington DC trial be televised for the entire world to see him.

The Georgia trial might be interesting, just to hear all those lawyers flipping on him.

Rhiannon12866

(250,741 posts)
38. Well said. That's exactly the reason it was considered a good idea to have it televised
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 05:19 AM
Oct 2023

The public would be confronted with his egregious crimes - and his ridiculous behavior, especially if he's forced to testify.

KS Toronado

(23,132 posts)
29. IMHO, the question we should be asking ourselves
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 11:17 PM
Oct 2023

If televised will it help or hurt us at the ballot box. Anybody have their crystal ball warmed up?

Old Crank

(6,689 posts)
30. Federal rule was to prevent grandstanding
Fri Oct 27, 2023, 11:31 PM
Oct 2023

However it seems his lawyers in NY are doing that in their case. It might hurt him to be seem by many as a petulant child.

PSPS

(15,223 posts)
31. This would be a big mistake. Trump would turn it into a reality-show "trial by media" sideshow
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:08 AM
Oct 2023

Sure, all the media outlets are clamoring for it. They chase the freak everywhere and can't get enough of anything OUTRAGEOUS!!!111! Tune in and watch THE DRAMA!!11! WHAT WILL HE SAY!!11! YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENS!11!!11!!

Even the judge would become a "celebrity." Remember "The Dancing Itos" on Leno? The SNL skits? ARGH. It doesn't get any lower-brow than that.

This is serious business and shouldn't be turned into a circus sideshow, which is all the media is about anymore.

tavernier

(14,294 posts)
39. You have changed my mind.
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 06:47 AM
Oct 2023

Yes, it would become exactly what you write.

This trial is deadly serious and should be handled appropriately, despite how much we wish to be in the courtroom.

Oneironaut

(6,227 posts)
32. Meh
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:12 AM
Oct 2023

I wish this buffoon would just go away. He’s the world’s most annoying person, and, if his trial isn’t televised, it wouldn’t be a bad thing.

BigOleDummy

(2,274 posts)
37. I'm with a few....
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 04:54 AM
Oct 2023

... others here in ....hmmmmmm maybe? No mistake it will turn into a circus at least a few times. Not so sure even his glaring and pouting and ridiculous scow with arms folded would change any magaite now. It's truly frightening to me how deeply his cult believes hes almost divine.

ificandream

(11,709 posts)
41. I don't care how much he tries to make it a media circus televising his trial is not good for him.
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 07:35 AM
Oct 2023

There are, I believe, enough Mitt Romney-type Republicans left who hate this SOB and don't want him as president again. Televising the trial can't help but reinforce that. And then there's the independents who, I believe, REALLY hate him.

I think, despite the look he tries to give it, he knows he's in big trouble. If he gets his lawyers to try and not have the trial televised - and I suspect that's what will happen, his worst aspects will be out for everyone to see. It can only make his re-election chances worse.

ificandream

(11,709 posts)
44. A good Democratic strategy for the 2024 election ...
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 09:15 AM
Oct 2023

Tell people they can send Trump to jail by voting for Biden. I think a lot of people on the bubble might just vote for Biden just based on that. You know that magats would do that if the situation was reversed. Time to give them a little of their own medicine.

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
46. He probably spends every day practicing his fake scowl in front of a mirror and calls it "rehearsing"
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:20 PM
Oct 2023

Shoonra

(602 posts)
49. Not a right, but the judge's discretion
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 12:52 PM
Oct 2023

Contrary to the filing by NBC and the other media, the public does not have a "right" to see a TV broadcast of what happens in a courtroom.

This was decided by the US Supreme Court in Nixon v. Warner Communications Inc. (1978) 435 US 589 at 610, 55 L.Ed.2d 570 at 587, 98 S.Ct 1305 at 1318, 3 Media Law Rep 2074; also Estes v. Texas (1965) 381 US 532 at 539-542, 14 L.Ed.2d 543 , 85 S.Ct 1628, 1 Media L. Rep 1187; and several other court decisions.

The permission to broadcast or webcast court proceedings is entrusted to the judge, who has to consider such things as the probable behavior of the participants, the possibility that this case will be sent back on appeal for a new trial, courtroom security, etc.

BobsYourUncle

(201 posts)
51. Videotape it for history,
Sat Oct 28, 2023, 04:47 PM
Oct 2023

and send a copy to the National Archives, enter it in the congressional record, the archives of friendly governments. Do it for history. Do it by stages, securely without releasing it publicly until the trial is over, including possible appeals.
If our democracy survives the 2024 election, let it be open to the world. We might learn something.

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