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Kennah

(14,408 posts)
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 03:41 PM Nov 2023

Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson 'bamboozled' by science, COVID-19 inquiry told

Source: ABC News

Boris Johnson, the former British prime minister, struggled to come to grips with much of the science during the coronavirus pandemic, his chief scientific advisor said Monday.

In keenly awaited testimony to the country’s public inquiry into the COVID-19 pandemic, Patrick Vallance said he and others faced repeated problems getting Johnson to understand the science and that he changed his mind on numerous occasions.

“I think I’m right in saying that the prime minister gave up science at 15," he said. “I think he’d be the first to admit it wasn’t his forte and that he struggled with the concepts and we did need to repeat them — often.”

Extracts from Vallace's mostly contemporaneous diary of the time were relayed to the inquiry. In them, he wrote that Johnson was often “bamboozled” by the graphs and data and that watching him “get his head round stats is awful."

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/former-british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-bamboozled-science-105030844



Damned bamboozlers

Probably were a few hornswogglers in there too
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Former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson 'bamboozled' by science, COVID-19 inquiry told (Original Post) Kennah Nov 2023 OP
Not unlike Jared, who when the pandemic hit only blue states first, advised Trump to not do anything. CrispyQ Nov 2023 #1
This is what scientific illiteracy and not listening to experts not fooled Nov 2023 #2
So was it a Stupefy spell or a Stupidify spell? Kennah Nov 2023 #3
repukes made a freaking VIRUS a political issue Skittles Nov 2023 #10
Because they think viruses will stop at the state border? IronLionZion Nov 2023 #15
So the competence provided by an education at moniss Nov 2023 #4
And, of course, the right to network in all the right British circles. peppertree Nov 2023 #6
I think there is a phrase... reACTIONary Nov 2023 #8
Yes indeed moniss Nov 2023 #9
Compare that to Dubya's diploma from the hallowed halls of Yale -- and Harvard... Hekate Nov 2023 #13
He has admitted he pretends to be dumb as a political strategy IronLionZion Nov 2023 #16
Stunning ignorance. Life or death decisions vanlassie Nov 2023 #19
The Brits have a great song for someone like Boris: peppertree Nov 2023 #5
It's not fucking rocket surgery, man. Novara Nov 2023 #7
The classics never die, do they? ArkansasDemocrat1 Nov 2023 #11
Thought this was brought out PlutosHeart Nov 2023 #12
By reputation Bo Jo is not a detail guy, nor is he any deeper than the puddle he crawled out of. Ford_Prefect Nov 2023 #14
Send in the clowns Celerity Nov 2023 #17
Not unlike the stupidest person in the US Sailingdiver Nov 2023 #18
Chilling. Baitball Blogger Nov 2023 #20
Elect idiots, get idiot policies and idiot behaviour. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2023 #21

CrispyQ

(36,966 posts)
1. Not unlike Jared, who when the pandemic hit only blue states first, advised Trump to not do anything.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 04:08 PM
Nov 2023

I'll never understand what part of "It's a contagious disease & we don't know how it's transmitted yet so be cautious" they didn't get? JFC!

not fooled

(5,849 posts)
2. This is what scientific illiteracy and not listening to experts
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 04:30 PM
Nov 2023

gets a country. Why do so many people want to devolve?

Skittles

(154,536 posts)
10. repukes made a freaking VIRUS a political issue
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 09:14 PM
Nov 2023

they convinced a lot of their idiotic base to trust the opinion of politicians over the advice of doctors and scientists

IronLionZion

(45,992 posts)
15. Because they think viruses will stop at the state border?
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 01:23 AM
Nov 2023

Sure it started out in large blue cities but it quickly engulfed red states who were less likely to mask and social distance. Disproportionate COVID deaths in those states may have already had an impact in some elections.

moniss

(4,397 posts)
4. So the competence provided by an education at
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 05:32 PM
Nov 2023

Eton and Oxford comes to be so little? Does it really amount to mostly a fee for a sheepskin?

peppertree

(22,208 posts)
6. And, of course, the right to network in all the right British circles.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 06:59 PM
Nov 2023

Which is all young Boris cared about (besides standing up for the Apartheid regime).

moniss

(4,397 posts)
9. Yes indeed
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 08:29 PM
Nov 2023

Boris graduated with an upper 2nd class degree rather than a 1st and he was miffed. I think he grabs things fine but he plays things off as "dumb" in order to avoid making a decision/taking an action because he then would rather obfuscate and claim he was improperly informed etc. rather than having to defend the basis for an action or policy. He sure knows the numbers game when it's about Sterling in the pocket.

Hekate

(92,321 posts)
13. Compare that to Dubya's diploma from the hallowed halls of Yale -- and Harvard...
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 12:07 AM
Nov 2023

Many fine minds come out of those universities — and then there’s intellectually lazy clods like Dubya, who got in because of his daddy and granddaddy and for all I know his great-granddaddy.

Everyone who goes hopes to make a lifetime of valuable connections — but not everyone applies themselves to gaining knowledge as well.


IronLionZion

(45,992 posts)
16. He has admitted he pretends to be dumb as a political strategy
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 01:33 AM
Nov 2023

so that the bar would be low when he screws up. That's in contrast to Trump who genuinely is as dumb as he seems.

vanlassie

(5,754 posts)
19. Stunning ignorance. Life or death decisions
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 07:18 AM
Nov 2023

and they are actually stupid. Ought to be forced to wear dunce caps.

Novara

(5,978 posts)
7. It's not fucking rocket surgery, man.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 07:42 PM
Nov 2023

It's a contagious virus. What's so hard about that? If you had the flu, would you go around coughing on your spouse and kids and friends? No? Well, that's one way viruses spread. It isn't that hard.

PlutosHeart

(1,378 posts)
12. Thought this was brought out
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 09:21 PM
Nov 2023

nicely in the mini-series on Netflix This England. It was a tough watch but included a lot of facts.

Ford_Prefect

(8,098 posts)
14. By reputation Bo Jo is not a detail guy, nor is he any deeper than the puddle he crawled out of.
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 12:15 AM
Nov 2023

He is nearly as dim as W. He's a one-and-a-half trick poney whose art is in dancing before the camera while braying all the right sounding syllables.
He's another knowing Putin stooge who sold Britain and NATO out.

Sailingdiver

(154 posts)
18. Not unlike the stupidest person in the US
Tue Nov 21, 2023, 06:50 AM
Nov 2023

Who was completely flummoxed by science, thought he knew more than those educated in the disclipines of medicine and science, and suggested bleach or bright light as a treatment for COVID.

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