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BumRushDaShow

(165,481 posts)
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 05:56 PM Nov 2023

Jan. 6 rioter asks for early release, says he was 'manipulated' by Trump and Fox News

Source: NBC News

Nov. 30, 2023, 3:38 PM EST


WASHINGTON — A Donald Trump supporter who bashed in a Capitol window, assaulted police officers with pepper spray and urged the mob to “pull the cops out” during the brutal battle at the lower west tunnel on Jan. 6, 2021, is asking a judge to grant him early release, saying he was “manipulated” by the former president and Fox News.

Mitchell Todd Gardner, who was wearing a Trump hat and a “Reagan Bush ’84” sweatshirt during the Capitol attack, yelled “pull the police out,” “pull the cops out,” and “grab their hands and pull them out” during the battle, and then unloaded a fire extinguisher-sized canister of OC spray on officers in the tunnel, according to evidence shown at trial. He then bashed a Capitol window and entered into a suite of Senate “hideaway” offices that were assigned to Republican senators, including one belonging to Sen. Jim Risch, R-Idaho.

Gardner wrote a memo, styled as a “Motion for Compassionate Release and/or Reduction of Sentence,” that was filed on the docket in his criminal case this week. In it, Gardner states that he and “so many other Americans” were “persuaded by then President Donald J. Trump that he had irrefutable evidence that he had been cheated by a ‘rigged election.’”

In his memo, Gardner writes that “a large group of hard working red blooded Americans” were influenced by Trump and “felt obligated to act on his behalf” to save the country.

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jan-6-rioter-manipulated-trump-fox-news-rcna127404

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Jan. 6 rioter asks for early release, says he was 'manipulated' by Trump and Fox News (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Nov 2023 OP
NO!!!!! calimary Nov 2023 #1
Precisely! 3catwoman3 Nov 2023 #31
Don't join cults. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #2
Straight-Faced Use, Sir, Of The Phrase 'hard working red blooded Americans' The Magistrate Nov 2023 #3
Who's that quote from? Farmer-Rick Nov 2023 #11
I Think PopeHat, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #16
Don't fall for guff Marthe48 Nov 2023 #4
Exactly. How does he account for the 80 million Americans who DID NOT fall for their lies? BComplex Nov 2023 #8
Not 80. It's 330 million. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #39
Exactly. They only seek confirmation when they "research" Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2023 #38
Is he a child, mentally impaired, or insane? Or is he a 'freedom loving patriot? Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #5
snork. AllaN01Bear Nov 2023 #6
He wants time off for being stupid? rsdsharp Nov 2023 #7
As Alex Trebek used to say, "oh, sorry... sorry" tom_kelly Nov 2023 #9
Do the crime? Do the time!! bluestarone Nov 2023 #10
Not Antifa??? Not FBI??? MissMillie Nov 2023 #12
How about, "Fuck you?" Aviation Pro Nov 2023 #13
We were looking for "Go Fuck Yourself" JoseBalow Nov 2023 #22
To conservatives/republicans, personal responsibility means finding some other person to blame. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #14
Bingo. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #26
Now let's be fair... eggplant Nov 2023 #15
Being manipulated doesn't give you the right to harm property or ppl!! PortTack Nov 2023 #17
Oh brother. Rebl2 Nov 2023 #18
In the late 1940s ChazInAz Nov 2023 #19
these idiots (and religion) are proof people can be made to believe anything Skittles Nov 2023 #20
I guess bdamomma Dec 2023 #51
The same way Dan White was 'manipulated' by Twinkies JoseBalow Nov 2023 #21
"irrefutable" was not introduced to the insurrectionist vocabulary until summer 2023 bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #23
These immature babies need to learn accountability for their own actions. JFC that is a real problem Bev54 Nov 2023 #24
Right. We know all of that... Mblaze Nov 2023 #25
One must be held accountable for their actions, good or bad. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #27
Double the sentence. Half for the convictions. Half for being too stupid for a brain. Wonder Why Nov 2023 #28
I made terrible decisions, so please release me from prison Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #29
Newsflash: "I was a gullible dumbass" is NOT a defense. CaptainTruth Nov 2023 #30
Should all the people still in jail for Traildogbob Nov 2023 #32
Sucks to be stupid, don't it Mitchell? LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #33
In his defense, all the Congress critters that told them which windows would break are free... JT45242 Nov 2023 #34
yeah, real life doesn't work that way. sorry, jackass Takket Nov 2023 #35
Cry me a river, loser. Dulcinea Nov 2023 #36
Being easily manipulated means . . . Aussie105 Dec 2023 #37
The devil made me do it. Demobrat Dec 2023 #40
Not even for Flip Wilson. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #42
Sounds like a mental health evaluation is in order Sailingdiver Dec 2023 #41
So he can turn around and claim he was a patriot and there was no riot, rpannier Dec 2023 #43
Looks to me like the guy just confessed to taking part in a conspiracy. sop Dec 2023 #44
I remember the J6 Committee featured at least 2 of these insurrectionsts in hearings BumRushDaShow Dec 2023 #45
He should have known it was "The Big Lie". JohnnyRingo Dec 2023 #46
What gets me about the criminals Marthe48 Dec 2023 #47
He manipulated his brain to fall for it. LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #48
No, dickbrain! You ALLOWED yourself to be manipulated. Aristus Dec 2023 #49
I read the article at the link... what if he is sincere? He voted for Obama twice. IcyPeas Dec 2023 #50

calimary

(88,982 posts)
1. NO!!!!!
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:00 PM
Nov 2023

This dude should get the same “compassion” and “understanding” as he showed everybody during that January 6th riot.

And KEEP him locked up.

3catwoman3

(28,560 posts)
31. Precisely!
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:48 PM
Nov 2023

I'm not a biblical scholar at all, but I do recall something about "As ye sow, so shall ye reap."

Or, a more secular spin, "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
3. Straight-Faced Use, Sir, Of The Phrase 'hard working red blooded Americans'
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:07 PM
Nov 2023

Ought to count for a sentence enhancement....


"There is no one feels more keenly the injustices of our criminal justice system than a white man of middle age and conservative leanings caught in its toils for the first time."



The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
16. I Think PopeHat, Sir
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:11 PM
Nov 2023

I doubt I've remembered word for word, mine would be a close paraphrase, though.

This is one I like as well, that I've no idea where I first saw it:

"Ninety percent of conservative outrage is just people finally finding out how things work."



Marthe48

(22,688 posts)
4. Don't fall for guff
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:09 PM
Nov 2023

This excuse is so weak. This guy and others listened because they wanted to listen. And they attacked the capital because they wanted to attack the capital. For every dick who showed up to stage a coup, how many came to their senses and stayed home? Somebody should create a national poll to see how many people didn't even get close to the cliff before they realized that traitor was directing them to commit treason.



BComplex

(9,744 posts)
8. Exactly. How does he account for the 80 million Americans who DID NOT fall for their lies?
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:27 PM
Nov 2023

It's on him.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
39. Not 80. It's 330 million.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 05:23 AM
Dec 2023

Anybody in the US could have gone to Washington DC on January 6, 2021.

About 330 million did not.

About 330 million did not attack the Capitol.

About 330 million did not enter the Capitol.

About 330 million did not cause a delay in extremely official proceedings at the core of democracy: peaceful transfer of power.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
38. Exactly. They only seek confirmation when they "research"
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 05:06 AM
Dec 2023

They indulged in willful ignorance and then acted on it violently, criminally, with malice.

Attilatheblond

(8,240 posts)
5. Is he a child, mentally impaired, or insane? Or is he a 'freedom loving patriot?
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:13 PM
Nov 2023

Can't go all Medieval on the cops and then say you didn't make that decision for yourself.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
14. To conservatives/republicans, personal responsibility means finding some other person to blame.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:50 PM
Nov 2023

PortTack

(35,811 posts)
17. Being manipulated doesn't give you the right to harm property or ppl!!
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:52 PM
Nov 2023

Last edited Thu Nov 30, 2023, 11:49 PM - Edit history (1)

Rebl2

(17,360 posts)
18. Oh brother.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:53 PM
Nov 2023

Give me a break. You knew what you were doing was illegal and just plain wrong. So that’s a NO!

ChazInAz

(2,993 posts)
19. In the late 1940s
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:56 PM
Nov 2023

I do believe that his predecessors tried to use the same defense in Nuremberg.
We hanged a lot of them.

bdamomma

(69,151 posts)
51. I guess
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 07:21 AM
Dec 2023

they forgot that poem about "the snake". Which that Orange blob used to tell his cult.


During the Save America Rally, Donald Trump took the time to read a poem to the crowd.

The Snake, written by civil rights activist Oscar Brown Jr in 1963, talks about a woman who tends to a sick snake and nurtures it back to health, only for the snake to bite her in the bed.

Lines included: "'Oh, shut up, silly woman,' said that reptile with a grin
"'Now you knew darn well I was a snake before you brought me in.'"



bucolic_frolic

(53,931 posts)
23. "irrefutable" was not introduced to the insurrectionist vocabulary until summer 2023
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:21 PM
Nov 2023

so I call BS and liar on his begging for mercy because he doesn't want to accept responsibility for his actions.

Bev54

(13,178 posts)
24. These immature babies need to learn accountability for their own actions. JFC that is a real problem
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:33 PM
Nov 2023

failure to own one's actions.

Mblaze

(921 posts)
25. Right. We know all of that...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:54 PM
Nov 2023

But brother, you followed through and (red) cold-bloodedly did the crime.

republianmushroom

(22,122 posts)
27. One must be held accountable for their actions, good or bad.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:59 PM
Nov 2023

The excuse "I was 'manipulated' " is total male bovine excrement in other words B.S...

Prairie Gates

(7,153 posts)
29. I made terrible decisions, so please release me from prison
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:23 PM
Nov 2023

These people are really something else. They inveigh endlessly against the "criminals," and imagine themseves different. Look to your right and left in the chow hall, buddy. Everyone there made bad decisions. Most were in some way manipulated into it by others or a peer group.

Mitchell Todd Garner: You're not special. You committed crimes for stupid reasons, just like the other people around you. The very fact that he would make this request shows that he's learned nothing.

Traildogbob

(12,520 posts)
32. Should all the people still in jail for
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:01 PM
Nov 2023

A little weed years ago get out early because the music influenced them?

LudwigPastorius

(14,122 posts)
33. Sucks to be stupid, don't it Mitchell?
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:04 PM
Nov 2023

Maybe you can brush up on your critical thinking in between shifts at the prison laundry.

JT45242

(3,819 posts)
34. In his defense, all the Congress critters that told them which windows would break are free...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:31 PM
Nov 2023


Apparently, he doesn't realize that you had to be much higher up to get away with it.

Let's hope that Perry, grassley, cruz, maga mike Johnson, boebert, MTG, etc. are soon making the same ridiculous court filings.

And better still if the judge says, "umm, nope. I'm going to need you to stay in prison. Maybe you will learn something about consequences of actions that way.

Aussie105

(7,604 posts)
37. Being easily manipulated means . . .
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 01:17 AM
Dec 2023

he has no internal dialogue, and no internal concept of what is right and wrong.

Some personal development and re-education needed there. Say, another 10 years in the slammer for some intensive deprogramming?

But didn't the 'someone else made me do it' as an excuse for your own behavior go out the window once you reached the age of around 8 to 10?
That boy was sure brought up wrong, I'm thinking.

Demobrat

(10,262 posts)
40. The devil made me do it.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 05:28 AM
Dec 2023

Yeah, we know, but unfortunately that doesn’t fly in a court of law.

Sailingdiver

(340 posts)
41. Sounds like a mental health evaluation is in order
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:35 AM
Dec 2023

If you've fallen for what the con has been bloviating seems a mental health evaluation is in order to ensure you don't want to harm yourself or others.

rpannier

(24,848 posts)
43. So he can turn around and claim he was a patriot and there was no riot,
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:17 AM
Dec 2023

he wishes he never plead guilty (if he did plead so), then claim victimhood and fealty to il duche

sop

(17,360 posts)
44. Looks to me like the guy just confessed to taking part in a conspiracy.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:19 AM
Dec 2023

He can testify for the prosecution after Trump and FOX News are charged with conspiracy.

BumRushDaShow

(165,481 posts)
45. I remember the J6 Committee featured at least 2 of these insurrectionsts in hearings
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:27 AM
Dec 2023

who basically said the same thing!

JohnnyRingo

(20,473 posts)
46. He should have known it was "The Big Lie".
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:58 AM
Dec 2023

He was offered the same evidence of corruption as everyone else, but he chose to live in a MAGA fantasy.

Marthe48

(22,688 posts)
47. What gets me about the criminals
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 09:18 AM
Dec 2023

is that they have enough money to pay for weapons, ammo, all the gear they buy to look like Kommando Ken, and transportation to the protest, riot, or coup. Unless someone else is footing their bill, what is their cause?
I don't think they're homeless, poverty-stricken down on their luck average Joes, but is it really hatred that turns them into a murderous gang of traitors? I'm afraid the answer is yes.
When they are in court, and they hear the testimony against them, do any of them feel shame that they are regarded as traitorous criminals? In their mind's eye, they are misunderstood heroes fighting to save their country. When does that bubble burst? I'm thinking of Stephen King's novel "Needful Things" and how finally, the people victimized saw that the things they wanted were not unique and desirable, but ratty and tattered. How do we break traitor's spell?

Aristus

(71,605 posts)
49. No, dickbrain! You ALLOWED yourself to be manipulated.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 02:34 PM
Dec 2023


“I didn’t do it, Your Honor! It was the one-armed man!”

IcyPeas

(24,815 posts)
50. I read the article at the link... what if he is sincere? He voted for Obama twice.
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 06:27 PM
Dec 2023

I know it's hard to believe..... but he could actually have been manipulated and realizes it now. I'm not suggesting he shouldn't be punished.

Read this article too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-man-supported-obama-45-years-prison-for-jan-6-2023-3

"He believed President Trump's candidacy to be a joke, a publicity event for a celebrity," the sentencing memorandum states.

After President Joe Biden was announced as the winner of the 2020 presidential election, Trump's misinformation caused Gardner to believe "that the election had been stolen and the way of life in America was about to change," the document says.

Gardner had never been politically active before 2020, but during Trump's presidency he "flourished financially," which led him to believe the misinformation that Trump was spreading, his attorneys said.


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