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AZLD4Candidate

(5,795 posts)
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 10:51 PM Dec 2023

California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase

Source: USA Today

Pizza Hut is laying off more than 1,200 delivery drivers in California.

The layoffs, which will take place through the end of February, come as California's minimum wage is about to go up by $4. Fast-food workers in the state are set to get a pay bump of close to 30% in April as the minimum wages rises from $16 to $20 an hour.

PacPizza, LLC, operating as Pizza Hut, said in a Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act notice that the company made a business decision to eliminate first-party delivery services and, as a result, the elimination of all delivery driver positions, according to Business Insider. The notice was filed with the state's Employment Development Department.

The Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act requires employers to give notice of mass layoffs or plant closures.

Read more: https://www.aol.com/california-pizza-huts-lay-off-234021512.html



No more pan fried goo for me. WTH!!

Don't read the comments. RW Trolls are claiming this is what happens when liberals increase wages for people.
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California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase (Original Post) AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 OP
Will the pizza still be warm if it's delivered? Sneederbunk Dec 2023 #1
I guess Pizza Hut is willing to ditch customers too. Bluethroughu Dec 2023 #2
I suspect customers will need to utilize Door Dash and Grub Hub for delivery MichMan Dec 2023 #6
If they want to pay an extra fee, or they can order Bluethroughu Dec 2023 #9
At the same time they are gifting their delivery drivers.... BigmanPigman Dec 2023 #19
You'll still be able to order delivery through the Pizza Hut site VMA131Marine Dec 2023 #56
And they don't come free so that increases the cost of the pizza. brush Dec 2023 #79
Although in Wa. State we (wife and I) just had this issue come to the forfront. Prairie_Seagull Dec 2023 #65
True. This makes PH's decision even more contemptible * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #83
That's the only way I've ever eaten it Warpy Dec 2023 #11
Slave labor is what capitalism rests on Stargazer99 Dec 2023 #3
but but but. . .job creators AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #4
I know..... The fuckers got three trillion tax cut courtesy of the orange one. Hotler Dec 2023 #34
Something is trickling, but it doesn't look green to me ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #61
Did those Pizza delivery people provide their own cars/maintenance/fuel/insurance or did the corporation provide? Attilatheblond Dec 2023 #54
Given that number of job openings with everybody hiring, it must be that people like the pizza job. MichMan Dec 2023 #57
Whole concept seems bogus. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #5
Sometimes people don't have cars. Or their cars are in the shop. femmedem Dec 2023 #23
At my age, for the same reasons I need it delivered,,, SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #97
I haven't seen a Pizza Hut here in a long time sakabatou Dec 2023 #7
Those that eat Pizza Hut and think it's good, deserve what they get. Wonder Why Dec 2023 #8
Hahaha.. Bluethroughu Dec 2023 #10
IKR ??? sdfernando Dec 2023 #48
Punishing workers for enforced fair practices is nothing new BaronChocula Dec 2023 #12
Besides the bad pizza, this is just another reason not to eat a pie from Pizza Slut. LudwigPastorius Dec 2023 #13
I thought it was just me who called them that ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #62
Pizza Hut is owned by Yum Brands, who owns Taco Bell and KFC, too. Ziggysmom Dec 2023 #14
Which used to be owned by Philip Morris (makers of Marlboro), Bayard Dec 2023 #52
Taco Bell is shitty, but I dig the Colonel. oasis Dec 2023 #95
Wherever will Californians get Pizza now??? Mawspam2 Dec 2023 #15
Do gas stations deliver? MichMan Dec 2023 #76
How much does the UBER driver make? oldfart73 Dec 2023 #16
The thing is, employees are paid for their whole shift TexasBushwhacker Dec 2023 #75
That may play a big role on why they are changing it MichMan Dec 2023 #80
Exactly TexasBushwhacker Dec 2023 #90
Order your pizza ftom a local mom and pop, not a chain. SunSeeker Dec 2023 #17
Pretty big assumption ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #39
I'd bake a frozen pizza before I'd get Pizza Hut, but to each his own. nt SunSeeker Dec 2023 #58
Or (shudders) Hunt Brothers Pizza ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #63
My local Greek place makes pizza; seems a little incongruous for a Greek restaurant. But it's delicious! Aristus Dec 2023 #45
Good thing I never eat their crap, so no need to boycott it now BigmanPigman Dec 2023 #18
The real question is will Pizza Hut even be around in 10 years? The company sales in November were disappointing and the cstanleytech Dec 2023 #20
The faster the addiction to the slow death of fast food ends, the happier I will be. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #21
I like your wife! Aussie105 Dec 2023 #26
I also think that Americans are so far removed from nature TeamProg Dec 2023 #51
Funny you should mention that. Aussie105 Dec 2023 #25
I can get Chicken Kiev and Filet Mignon in a Pizza Hut in China and Korea. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #27
"California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase" J_William_Ryan Dec 2023 #22
Gotta keep the CEOs rich Novara Dec 2023 #24
Hmmm lonely bird Dec 2023 #28
Is there any other industry where it is presumed HAB911 Dec 2023 #29
All industries. former9thward Dec 2023 #36
I think food service is different HAB911 Dec 2023 #38
There is a very low profit margin in food service. former9thward Dec 2023 #40
exactly HAB911 Dec 2023 #43
If enough customers refuse to pay for food and services, there is no longer any employees or restaurant to worry about. MichMan Dec 2023 #59
Seems like one or two days, nation wide service workers strike would get them moving. vanlassie Dec 2023 #60
How would the strikers get their pizza deliveries ? MichMan Dec 2023 #77
Dumb F*cks Joinfortmill Dec 2023 #30
So Pizza Hut wasn't making enough money from their drivers. Freethinker65 Dec 2023 #31
the changing landscape of the right wing business model... Javaman Dec 2023 #32
What "conservatives" have never understood about the minimum wage William Seger Dec 2023 #33
That is why the minimum wage needs to be raised to $25-30 per hour. MichMan Dec 2023 #47
what about those of us who can't work? ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #67
Do you oppose workers making a living wage? MichMan Dec 2023 #73
You don't have an answer to my question, do you? ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #82
Dont understand what your rent has to do with minimum wage workers getting a fair wage MichMan Dec 2023 #84
Because as wages increase, so does rent. ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #91
They will become independent contractors Darwins_Retriever Dec 2023 #35
Also, going the independent contractor route saves corps on Social Security, workers come& unemployment taxes Attilatheblond Dec 2023 #55
So how am I to get my Piss-A-Hut pizza now when I'm not on the road? MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #37
It really depends on locality ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #41
I suspect you're right. MarineCombatEngineer Dec 2023 #42
Little Caesar's is gross here ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #66
We hardly ever got pizzas from them ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #44
New York Stater here (NY-21) Karma13612 Dec 2023 #46
RAised in Sullivan County. . . completely understand, but we had a place called El Monaco's owned by my next door AZLD4Candidate Dec 2023 #49
You can use an upturned iron skillet as your pizza stone ArkansasDemocrat1 Dec 2023 #64
It's one franchise group John Shaft Dec 2023 #50
Labor should be expensive. David__77 Dec 2023 #53
It also leads to people being replaced by automation RubyRose Dec 2023 #88
That's always been true, with any sort of technology. David__77 Dec 2023 #89
It's an excuse to offload the delivery system to Uber Eats/DoorDash Bristlecone Dec 2023 #68
I'm going to assume they were planning to do this anyway... jmowreader Dec 2023 #69
Will this put an end to the home delivery of ready-to-eat meals? FakeNoose Dec 2023 #70
Home delivery by restaurant employees, yes jmowreader Dec 2023 #72
I like PH XanaDUer2 Dec 2023 #71
Pizza Hut sucks anyway mike_c Dec 2023 #74
How chickenshit can a corp. get. Boycott Pizza Hut out of business, pls everyone. brush Dec 2023 #78
More proof that door dash, grub hub, etc are worker exploiters JT45242 Dec 2023 #81
Funny moose65 Dec 2023 #85
We have had Chinese food delivery for years BumRushDaShow Dec 2023 #87
Showing my age here! moose65 Dec 2023 #93
Well DU is populated with oldsters BumRushDaShow Dec 2023 #94
FYI moose65 Dec 2023 #86
X post HAB911 Dec 2023 #92
I Don't Believe Them ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #96
if you have a bread machine SouthernDem4ever Jan 2024 #98
I haven't ordered pizza in a LONG time sakabatou Jan 2024 #99

Bluethroughu

(5,202 posts)
2. I guess Pizza Hut is willing to ditch customers too.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:02 PM
Dec 2023

There are many underage kids, non drivers and others that order delivery. STUPID CORPORATE DECISION.

Mom and pops will fill the void, and it takes two weeks to create a habit...
See all caps above.

Bluethroughu

(5,202 posts)
9. If they want to pay an extra fee, or they can order
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:51 PM
Dec 2023

From another pizza joint, and just tip.

Bad move on the decision to ditch the drivers.

VMA131Marine

(4,158 posts)
56. You'll still be able to order delivery through the Pizza Hut site
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 01:53 PM
Dec 2023

but you’ll get a DoorDash or UberEats delivery driver.

brush

(53,925 posts)
79. And they don't come free so that increases the cost of the pizza.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 12:38 AM
Dec 2023

Door Dash expect to a hefty fee. Pizza Hut will regret this move. So chickenshit.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,341 posts)
65. Although in Wa. State we (wife and I) just had this issue come to the forfront.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:57 PM
Dec 2023

Ordered pizza from PH and was told it would be 45 minutes and it showed up cold and over an hour late. Did not show up until after a second call. They had used a second party delivery driver. All to say if this was an experiment. It failed miserably

Oopsie Daisy

(2,703 posts)
83. True. This makes PH's decision even more contemptible *
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 09:18 AM
Dec 2023

* and I believe there could have been alternative approaches that would have benefited both the pizza chain and its customers.

Firstly, it's important to acknowledge the significance of a higher minimum wage. It aims to provide workers with a fairer standard of living and reduce income inequality. It's truly unfortunate that PH opted for terminating its drivers rather than exploring other possibilities.

One possible solution would have been for PH to continue employing its drivers at the new, higher minimum wage. Then, to offset the increased labor costs, they could have considered implementing a modest price increase or introducing a delivery fee specifically designed to cover the higher wages. By doing so, the pizza chain would have demonstrated its commitment to supporting its employees while ensuring the sustainability of its business.

Moreover, by retaining their existing delivery drivers, the pizza chain could have maintained customer loyalty and appreciation. Many customers value the personalized service provided by familiar faces and the sense of community that comes with supporting local franchises. Ordering directly from the local PH restaurant would have allowed customers to avoid the inflated prices, fees, and obligatory tips associated with third-party delivery services like Grubhub or Uber Eats.

In the long run, I believe that customers would have recognized the value in supporting a business that cares for its employees and continues to provide quality service. While a slight increase in prices or the introduction of a delivery fee may have been necessary, it is likely to be far less burdensome than the additional costs incurred when ordering from third-party platforms.

By resorting to terminating their drivers out of anger towards the new minimum wage, Pizza Hut risks harming both their customers and themselves. Exploring alternative approaches that balance fair wages with customer satisfaction could have been a win-win situation, fostering a stronger bond between the pizza chain and its patrons.

I think that ultimately, this will benefit other national chains/franchises... and independent pizza restaurants.

Warpy

(111,383 posts)
11. That's the only way I've ever eaten it
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:01 AM
Dec 2023

We'd get it delivered on rough nights when we couldn't sit down for a few minutes to eat anything.

Stargazer99

(2,600 posts)
3. Slave labor is what capitalism rests on
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:03 PM
Dec 2023

It is the middle class that has to pay for the well to do and rich selfishness...is it about time to tell the rich to stuff it.

Hotler

(11,452 posts)
34. I know..... The fuckers got three trillion tax cut courtesy of the orange one.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:55 AM
Dec 2023

where is the trickle down assholes????

Attilatheblond

(2,224 posts)
54. Did those Pizza delivery people provide their own cars/maintenance/fuel/insurance or did the corporation provide?
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 01:19 PM
Dec 2023

Most fast food delivery drivers I have known basically subsidize the giant corporations & franchisees by providing all the necessities to make deliveries themselves. People are probably pretty desperate if they take jobs that exploit them so much.

MichMan

(11,999 posts)
57. Given that number of job openings with everybody hiring, it must be that people like the pizza job.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:08 PM
Dec 2023

I can see the appeal for a lot of people.

Not stuck inside working while under supervision, but driving around listening to music and working for some decent tips. I bet nearly everyone has some stories to tell about entertaining interactions with customers.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,679 posts)
5. Whole concept seems bogus.
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:18 PM
Dec 2023

If you live in the cities, you never have to go out? You get everything delivered? And you add another 20% for convenience? Why do that?

femmedem

(8,208 posts)
23. Sometimes people don't have cars. Or their cars are in the shop.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 06:10 AM
Dec 2023

Or they are sick or taking care of children. Or it's after dark and they have night blindness.

There are plenty of reasons someone might want a pizza delivered.

sakabatou

(42,186 posts)
7. I haven't seen a Pizza Hut here in a long time
Tue Dec 26, 2023, 11:25 PM
Dec 2023

I usually get frozen, which is pretty good if you get the right brand. Otherwise, there's a pizza place which makes excellent pizza downtown.

sdfernando

(4,947 posts)
48. IKR ???
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:25 PM
Dec 2023

I haven't had anything from a Pizza Hut in I don' t know how many years....more likely decades.

BaronChocula

(1,611 posts)
12. Punishing workers for enforced fair practices is nothing new
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:25 AM
Dec 2023

The wealthy corporate class always passes the cost of responsibility on to anyone and everyone else. I hope nothing but the worst for Pizza Hut and its "bottom line."

LudwigPastorius

(9,195 posts)
13. Besides the bad pizza, this is just another reason not to eat a pie from Pizza Slut.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:49 AM
Dec 2023

Just know, when the righteous boycott of this crap company starts, I was already ahead of the curve.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,263 posts)
62. I thought it was just me who called them that
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:37 PM
Dec 2023

A local store closed recently. When Casey's (gas station) makes better pizza than you do...

Ziggysmom

(3,426 posts)
14. Pizza Hut is owned by Yum Brands, who owns Taco Bell and KFC, too.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:52 AM
Dec 2023

All of them stink, IMHO. Unhealthy food.

Bayard

(22,181 posts)
52. Which used to be owned by Philip Morris (makers of Marlboro),
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:56 PM
Dec 2023

When I worked there many years ago in Louisville. Unhealthy all the way around.

**It looks like they were spun off.

Mawspam2

(742 posts)
15. Wherever will Californians get Pizza now???
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:55 AM
Dec 2023

Just about everywhere.

Even gas station pizza is better than Pizza Hut. No loss.

oldfart73

(52 posts)
16. How much does the UBER driver make?
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 01:13 AM
Dec 2023

Allowing 15 minutes per delivery, (optimistic?), how much does Pizza Hut pay the
self-employed UBER driver to allow him to make his wage plus pay his own taxes plus his car and its expenses. What does the driver actually clear on average per delivery?

Plus tips.

Does the Pizza Hut company paid driver use a company provided car?

TexasBushwhacker

(20,222 posts)
75. The thing is, employees are paid for their whole shift
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 12:19 AM
Dec 2023

no matter how many deliveries they make or how much time they spend waiting. UberEats and DoorDash are hired for a particular order.

MichMan

(11,999 posts)
80. That may play a big role on why they are changing it
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 02:46 AM
Dec 2023

The Pizza Hut franchises don't see the value in paying them for an entire shift if there aren't enough deliveries to make it financially feasible to do so.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,222 posts)
90. Exactly
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 01:27 PM
Dec 2023

Not to mention, dealing with tips that are paid via credit card is probably a pain in the butt. But just like tipping in a sit down restaurant, ultimately it would be better to pay workers an adequate wage and CHARGE an adequate price to back it up. It makes more sense to charge an adequate delivery fee (like $8 plus $2 per pizza, rather than $3 flat).

OTOH, if you operate a business that relies on delivery as part of its business model, it probably makes more sense to add the cost of deliveries into the cost of the product and give a discount to customers who pick their orders up. There's no perfect system, but it's up to the EMPLOYERS to pay their workers a living wage.

SunSeeker

(51,746 posts)
17. Order your pizza ftom a local mom and pop, not a chain.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 03:20 AM
Dec 2023

My favorite pizza joint still employs delivery drivers. Haven't eaten at Pizza Hut in years, maybe decades.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
39. Pretty big assumption
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:00 AM
Dec 2023

To think that everyone has access to a mom and pop pizza joint. I've lived in multiple states. It was only in the larger cities that the 'mom and pop' type pizzerias existed.

Pizza Hut is what those living in smaller towns tend to have.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,263 posts)
63. Or (shudders) Hunt Brothers Pizza
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:39 PM
Dec 2023

It's at every half assed gas station in the middle of nowhere here.

It makes PH taste good

Aristus

(66,478 posts)
45. My local Greek place makes pizza; seems a little incongruous for a Greek restaurant. But it's delicious!
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:55 AM
Dec 2023


They don't deliver, but it's worth going and picking it up.

To Hell with Pizza Hut.

BigmanPigman

(51,642 posts)
18. Good thing I never eat their crap, so no need to boycott it now
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 04:22 AM
Dec 2023

A win-win for me.

I just read this article...what the hell is this company doing?!? This was 3 weeks ago. WTF is this company doing?
"Pizza Hut offering chance for customers to gift pizza to delivery drivers"
“Many of us look to delivery drivers to deliver joy during the holiday season,” said Lindsay Morgan, CMO at Pizza Hut. “This was our chance to give some cheer back in the form of a delicious meal for delivery drivers to enjoy during their busiest time of the year.”

https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/12/pizza-hut-offering-chance-for-customers-to-gift-pizza-to-delivery-drivers.html

cstanleytech

(26,334 posts)
20. The real question is will Pizza Hut even be around in 10 years? The company sales in November were disappointing and the
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 05:05 AM
Dec 2023

chain itself has been struggling to adjust for years from a sit down style pizza chain with delivery to a delivery only chain.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,795 posts)
21. The faster the addiction to the slow death of fast food ends, the happier I will be.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 05:09 AM
Dec 2023

Every once in a while in a pinch is fine, but the flood of advertising making it seem acceptable to eat 3000 calories in a meal has led to so many of our endemic health problems.

As I tell my foreign wife "Americans are so fat because of the shit we eat that we microwave or get in sixty seconds."

Aussie105

(5,444 posts)
25. Funny you should mention that.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 08:06 AM
Dec 2023

Pizza Hut was big in Australia as a walk in, sit down and fill yourself on a selection of pizzas.
Walk up and help yourself.

I guess the 'eat all you want' thing put them out of business, because they have disappeared.

Local pizza is either cheap and horrible, Dominos, or great and expensive.
Special treat, pizza night! We go for the good stuff, always.

Some thinking out of the box that might scare some Americans - you know who you are, you say 'I am preparing dinner tonight!' as you grab your car keys and head out the door: make your own. It's not rocket surgery!

J_William_Ryan

(1,760 posts)
22. "California Pizza Huts lay off all delivery drivers ahead of minimum wage increase"
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 05:48 AM
Dec 2023

And the laid-off drivers will work as Door Dash delivery drivers making more money with more flexible hour.

This is a non-issue.

lonely bird

(1,689 posts)
28. Hmmm
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 08:38 AM
Dec 2023

Imo, they had already decided to do this. Their announcement used the legal requirement to provide cover for them. It is an exercise in agitprop, pure and simple. Anytime a corporation can cut labor it will do so. I would be willing to wager that the decision to cut employee drivers was made a while ago and that even if wages weren’t set to rise they would have done it anyway.

HAB911

(8,922 posts)
29. Is there any other industry where it is presumed
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 08:54 AM
Dec 2023

the customer will refuse to pay for services rendered?

"I refuse to pay what it costs for you to prepare and deliver the food I desire"

former9thward

(32,097 posts)
36. All industries.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:40 AM
Dec 2023

If something costs more than you feel it's worth or you're comfortable with you don't get the product. You either start doing without or you find some substitute for it. That is universal.

HAB911

(8,922 posts)
38. I think food service is different
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:59 AM
Dec 2023

that industry survives on the backs of their employees like no other

former9thward

(32,097 posts)
40. There is a very low profit margin in food service.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:06 AM
Dec 2023

When restaurants raise prices, they lose customers. Look how many moderately prices restaurants go out of business. The exceptions are very high-end places, and their customer base is wealthy and doesn't really care about the prices.

HAB911

(8,922 posts)
43. exactly
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:16 AM
Dec 2023

it falls back on customers who refuse to pay for food and services rendered, so the employees are forced to bear the burden

MichMan

(11,999 posts)
59. If enough customers refuse to pay for food and services, there is no longer any employees or restaurant to worry about.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:15 PM
Dec 2023

No customers = no restaurant= no employees.

Freethinker65

(10,070 posts)
31. So Pizza Hut wasn't making enough money from their drivers.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:09 AM
Dec 2023

Sounds like they were probably already operating at a loss, or near loss for that service. I am assuming they had to pay drivers whether or not there were pizzas to be delivered and who is going to agree to work for only sporadic two to three hour shifts when orders are plentiful.

Now Pizza Hut will see how much overall business they lose, if any. Will customers use other 3rd party services, or will they just forgo Pizza Hut?

1200 drivers will be looking for work elsewhere. Some will find employment in jobs that involve driving, others will find something new. All will be getting get a raise!

Javaman

(62,534 posts)
32. the changing landscape of the right wing business model...
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:38 AM
Dec 2023

when you base your business model on paying your workings the very least amount, then suddenly reality hits, this is the result. right wing fucks try to take their ball and go home. fuck them. there will be another company that will more than willingly fill the void and treat their workers with respect and a living wage.

fuck pizza hut.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
33. What "conservatives" have never understood about the minimum wage
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 09:43 AM
Dec 2023

... is that all wage earners are also consumers, and for minimum wage earners especially, virtually everything they make goes right back into the economy. Those Pizza Hut drivers would have more money to spend at Walmart, and Walmart minimum wage earners will have more money to buy pizzas.

MichMan

(11,999 posts)
47. That is why the minimum wage needs to be raised to $25-30 per hour.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:17 PM
Dec 2023

Economy would take off when everyone people started spending

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,263 posts)
67. what about those of us who can't work?
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 03:01 PM
Dec 2023

My SSDI 2024 COLA will be less than the amount my rent went up in 2023.

MichMan

(11,999 posts)
84. Dont understand what your rent has to do with minimum wage workers getting a fair wage
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:34 AM
Dec 2023

Last edited Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:42 AM - Edit history (1)

Not sure what kind of answer you were expecting.

Darwins_Retriever

(856 posts)
35. They will become independent contractors
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:15 AM
Dec 2023

and Pizza Hut will be able to pay them the same thing and don't take taxes, that is the independent contractor's responsibility.

Attilatheblond

(2,224 posts)
55. Also, going the independent contractor route saves corps on Social Security, workers come& unemployment taxes
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 01:32 PM
Dec 2023

But I know some also break the rules re actual conditions of the contractor agreement. When the corporations sets the rules, the contractor is really still an employee. Social Security sometimes catches those abusive companies.

If all the 'contract' drivers in an area decided to stick together, and learn the laws, they could probably make life a bit more of a hassle for the companies who exploit drivers.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
37. So how am I to get my Piss-A-Hut pizza now when I'm not on the road?
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 10:56 AM
Dec 2023

I've never liked that franchise, their pizza's suck big time, I prefer the mom and pop pizza shops I also like Little Ceaser Pizza which are plentiful here in AZ.
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
41. It really depends on locality
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:07 AM
Dec 2023

Where I am, Pizza Hut is far better than Domino's or Little Caesar's. Little Caesar's isn't even as good as what we can get in the grocer's frozen aisle.

But I've lived in other places where the ranking was completely different. So it may be a regional thing, or a local franchise owner thing.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,449 posts)
42. I suspect you're right.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:09 AM
Dec 2023

I really like DiGiorno's Pizza I can buy in the store, especially the stuffed crust Pizza, I'm a huge fan of Mozzarella Cheese.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,263 posts)
66. Little Caesar's is gross here
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:58 PM
Dec 2023

It's been better elsewhere, but I stopped visiting their store during Covid. I'd rather eat a $4 Great Value than theirs

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
44. We hardly ever got pizzas from them
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 11:35 AM
Dec 2023

Or at least that's how it was before my allergist figured out that I have a non-lactose dairy allergy. Now we don't order anything from them at all. In fact, we avoid most restaurants, because navigating my dietary needs is just too much of a pain for it.

The only time we ordered from Pizza Hut was when were too knackered to cook (maybe 2X a year), or we'd forgotten a key ingredient for a recipe and the weather was too frightful to venture out. Let their drivers brave the elements, LOL. We're outside the delivery zone for the only good mom and pop where we live. Pizza Hut was less than a mile away, and it was better than any of the other franchises in our area, to boot. This isn't New York or Chicago where great pizza is five minutes away. You make do with what you have, sometimes.

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
46. New York Stater here (NY-21)
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:07 PM
Dec 2023

We live in the country.

Our pizza choices are:

1. Crap waaay overpriced pie from a gas station convenience store 2 miles away. And the owner operator is a moody guy who I hate to deal with. I feel like I need to apologize for inconveniencing him! But his gas is the cheapest in the area.
2. Drive to a convenience store 4 miles away where the frozen pizza selection is pathetic. And overpriced.
3. Drive 20 miles to get a fresh or frozen pizza at a high priced grocery store. Then drive it home and reheat and eat. That’s 40 miles in total and probably 90 minutes from craving to chewing.
4. Drive 22 miles to WalMart to get a chilled or frozen pizza. Then drive it home and heat it and eat. Same 40-some miles and 90 minutes.
5. During your next scheduled food shop, pick up a ready made lump of pizza dough at the grocery store (after extensive testing, it was determined that Walmart’s was best). Store in freezer until the day you want a pizza.

Pizza craving day arrives: Roll it out, Add your favorite toppings and 15 mins later, fresh hot delicious yummy scrummy pizza. And its a HELLOFALOT cheaper and better tasting than any of the frozen box stuff and many deli fresh made pies.

I used to love Pizza Hut pizza until it wasn’t convenient because we weren’t near one. Our pizza dough option #5 is so delicious. And we can make it to precise specifications.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,795 posts)
49. RAised in Sullivan County. . . completely understand, but we had a place called El Monaco's owned by my next door
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:30 PM
Dec 2023

neighbor. Spoiled me on great pizza. NO ONE has ever gotten even close to theirs EVER.

ArkansasDemocrat1

(1,263 posts)
64. You can use an upturned iron skillet as your pizza stone
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 02:53 PM
Dec 2023

Get the big one, roll the dough so it fits the COOL skillet first. Preheat the oven & skillet for 10 minutes at 500 while constructing the pizza - and then bake the pizza at the recipe temp on the upturned bottom or turn it over and make a pan pizza. The skillet handle makes it easy to take out the pizza and skillet when finished, wear an oven mitt.

I devised this when I didn't have a pizza stone. Still don't. I don't have many unitaskers in my kitchen.

John Shaft

(281 posts)
50. It's one franchise group
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 12:38 PM
Dec 2023

From their website:

"PAC stores start in middle California and go up through Southern Oregon and the Reno-Tahoe Area."

David__77

(23,558 posts)
53. Labor should be expensive.
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 01:03 PM
Dec 2023

Sure, jobs will be lost. This is a continuous process and results in increased labor productivity.

David__77

(23,558 posts)
89. That's always been true, with any sort of technology.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 12:26 PM
Dec 2023

While I could be wrong, I think people will always be needed to configure and operate the technology. That is how we get more results with less effort.

There’s the real issue of how to ensure people’s wellbeing during these changes.

Bristlecone

(10,135 posts)
68. It's an excuse to offload the delivery system to Uber Eats/DoorDash
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 03:03 PM
Dec 2023

They save tons in liability insurance alone.

jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
69. I'm going to assume they were planning to do this anyway...
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 03:23 PM
Dec 2023

…and the increase in the state minimum wage gives them a convenient excuse for slamming the Democratic state government in the process.

Sad to say, from a business perspective this makes a lot of sense - not the beating-up-Democrats part, but the outsourcing this function to third-party delivery services part. So long as the third-party provider is providing living wages it is better for one cohort of drivers to haul food for multiple restaurants than it is to have a restaurant maintain a staff of menial work doers who might haul food if someone wants pizza that night. In my area the only edible pizza comes from Dominos or my oven. If I want pizza and don’t feel like making one, I’ll drive over there - it’s only two blocks from my house - and wait for it. The drivers are ALWAYS washing the floor or cleaning the shelves until they get an order to deliver. I’d surely prefer to drive for Grubhub if I was in that business.

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
70. Will this put an end to the home delivery of ready-to-eat meals?
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 04:16 PM
Dec 2023

I don't know the answer to that question. But I have to say the restaurants of Pittsburgh have been going big on the "drive through pick-up windows" in the last couple of years. Even restaurants that are traditionally sit-down-and-get-served type places are quick to encourage customers to use their new, convenient drive-through pick-up windows.

You need to order online, either on their website or with the "app" they frequently provide. Some of them insist that you must use their app, because there's no employee in charge of taking the orders online. It's all digital now, including collecting your money before you've picked up your order.

The restaurants try to market this as a "customer convenience." But really it's not a convenience - it's a way for restaurants to keep your business without the cost of hiring employees to deliver your food to your home.

Pizza Hut in California is backtracking because they've already hired delivery employees, now they need to get rid of them. I predict this will happen everywhere in the next few years. Customers who want to pay for the service will use Door Dash-type deliveries, however most of us will hop in our cars and pick up our own orders.

jmowreader

(50,567 posts)
72. Home delivery by restaurant employees, yes
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 05:05 PM
Dec 2023

If you want home delivery you'll have to go through one of the third-party providers - GrubHub, DoorDash, Uber Eats, etc. - to get it.

I also suspect dining rooms are going to go away at "popular-priced" restaurants. Fine dining will still have them, but the pandemic trained us to have food delivered and we liked it. I mean, go to a McDonalds at dinnertime. Pre-pandemic, people went to McDonalds to eat. Now? If you eat dinner at McDonalds you're gonna be REAL lonely. I expect new McDonalds to look like the original ones in a few years - remember in The Founder that Ray Kroc was mystified that there was no dining room at the McDonald Brothers' restaurant. It'll go back to that - you either pick the food up and take it home to eat it, or someone brings it to you. By getting rid of the dining room you need less land, less building and less staff.

XanaDUer2

(10,774 posts)
71. I like PH
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 04:21 PM
Dec 2023

Used to call the store a block away and have a store employee deliver. Store now closed. Ordered a horrible expensive Dominos pizza bc we had no food. Had to enter cc info, talk to someone in another country. Pizza was awful. So, frozen pizza fromnow on

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
74. Pizza Hut sucks anyway
Wed Dec 27, 2023, 06:13 PM
Dec 2023

I haven't eaten at a Pizza Hut in 30 years. Don't intend to start again. Now I won't eat there because the food sucks AND their employee treatment sucks too!

JT45242

(2,304 posts)
81. More proof that door dash, grub hub, etc are worker exploiters
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 03:56 AM
Dec 2023

The entire unregulated set of similar companies...
The scab cabs of Uber and Lyft.
The exploited drivers of door dash, grub hub, etc...
The unregulated hotels of AirBnb and similar...

Just ways for vulture (aka venture) capitalist to steal from workers and consumers and consolidate wealth at the top in the hands of a small group who own politicians and judges.

Plus, the fees that those companies charge small mom and pop restaurants put many out of business at the beginning of COVID tested including one of our favorite local.chinese places. I do self pickup since I learned how evil those external delivery companies are to small businesses.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
85. Funny
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 10:56 AM
Dec 2023

Pizza restaurants literally invented delivery, didn’t they? Back not too many years ago, pizza places were the only restaurants that delivered, and they proudly proclaimed “Free delivery” or “Delivery in 30 minutes” in their advertising.

I guess this is something else the internet has ruined. 🙄

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
87. We have had Chinese food delivery for years
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 11:42 AM
Dec 2023

as that was the other big "take out" type restaurant (non-European food where cheesesteaks and hoagies are a biggy, along with pizza, strombolis, and calzones for deliveries here in Philly coming from Italian and Greek-style restaurants).

I think because the pizza chains would highly advertise on TV, the other take-out/delivery types of restaurants were never well known, although were most likely advertising in various regions. It's only recently where you might see a chain like "Panda Express" becoming more prominent nationally. I expect that Mexican/Tex-Mex chains have also done similar - again as a regional thing.

moose65

(3,169 posts)
93. Showing my age here!
Fri Dec 29, 2023, 05:41 PM
Dec 2023

I should have said, when I was in high school and college, pizza was about the only thing you could get delivered around here (small towns in NW NC).

About 25 or so years ago, when the internet was just becoming a well known thing, a local company started delivering food from local restaurants. This is in a college town with a local population of around 20,000 people, but also quite a few tourists. In fact, ordering from that business might have been the first transaction I ever did online (really can't remember). It was a novelty back then.

That company is still in business today, but has to now face competition from DoorDash, GrubHub, and UberEats, among others. Seems like this reminds me of the early days of the internet - the so-called Dotcom boom, when there were suddenly SO many websites around, before Amazon swallowed them all up. The same thing is happening to streaming services. Pretty soon they will all start to consolidate, and we'll have the Amazon of the food delivery world and the Amazon of the streaming world.

BumRushDaShow

(129,662 posts)
94. Well DU is populated with oldsters
Fri Dec 29, 2023, 08:51 PM
Dec 2023


It's been 40 years since I was in college but I know at least when I was in high school in the '70s, we had a bunch of small delis and cheesesteak/hoagie shops, along with the Chinese food places (I'm in Philly), that did deliveries. But I also know the pizza sellers like Dominos were big because they were national chains, so had that higher level of advertising!

I do agree that we're rapidly heading for "The Delivery Company©".

ProfessorGAC

(65,248 posts)
96. I Don't Believe Them
Sat Dec 30, 2023, 10:16 AM
Dec 2023

My guess is these layoffs were already planned & PR folks thought it a good idea to blame it on the min wage increase.
It would have been just as easy to cut hours (not that I would approve) to save the increase.
Now, they're saving it all.
I don't buy the wage increase as a reason. A public excuse? Yes. The actual reason? No.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
98. if you have a bread machine
Sat Jan 13, 2024, 09:50 AM
Jan 2024

making pizza dough is easy - just chop up the toppings you want, and add mozarella.

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