Mayor Adams announces executive order aimed at restricting Texas Gov. Greg Abbott's migrant busing

[demmiblue]

Source: Politico

NEW YORK — Mayor Eric Adams issued an executive order Wednesday to restrict the flow of migrant charter buses sent by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott to New York City.

Adams said the order mandates any buses carrying migrants arrive in the city only between 8:30 a.m. and noon on weekdays. The buses’ arrival must also be announced 32 hours in advance, he said. The order specifically applies to buses contracted by the state of Texas — whose governor Adams routinely blames for sending asylum seekers into the five boroughs.

The announcement came during a joint briefing with the mayors of Chicago and Denver. The three cities have formed a coalition to press the White House and federal government for more migrant aid as each metropolis grapples with the economic and governmental burden of housing, feeding and educating tens of thousands of migrants.

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Adams said violating his order would result in a misdemeanor punishable by fines or the impounding of charter buses. He also raised the possibility his administration would file lawsuits against violators.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/27/adams-executive-order-abbott-migrant-bus-00133250

[bucolic_frolic]

1. "the possibility his administration would file lawsuits"

Migrant kidnapping and dumping has faced no consequences. And this statement is no different.

[FakeNoose]

2. Governor Abbott is sending migrants by air now too

I really think this needs to be taken over by the federal government. At least until someone reasonable and intelligent gets elected to Texas' Governorship.

[Novara]

24. Taken over? It needs to be fucking STOPPED

I can't believe it has been allowed to go on this long.

[FakeNoose]

34. Well that too, but there needs to be sensible, legitimate control at our borders

Clearly the individual states aren't able to handle it. That's why the feds should just take it over at every border crossing.

[Novara]

41. The U.S. Customs and Border Protection does control border crossings

They are the feds. Abbott is stepping in and doing shit he has no authority to do, especially kidnapping migrants and using taxpayer money to ship them elsewhere.

[Polybius]

43. "The U.S. Customs and Border Protection does control border crossings"

They have just ove 60,000 employees. They need to add another zero to that number.

[Zincwarrior]

61. A reminder: the Federal Government is doing the same thing

[bluestarone]

3. Question. Am i right thinking this will mostly target

Bus companies, and their drivers?

[paleotn]

5. Yep. No bus charters, no more problem for NYC, Chicago or Denver.

While drivers can be replaced, charter companies generally don't want to lose their expensive assets.

[bluestarone]

6. Good move.

I hope. (because i hate Abbott)

[former9thward]

16. It continues to be a problem in Chicago.

Buses just dump in the suburbs, all of which have public transportation to Chicago.

[Prairie Gates]

20. The suburbs will move toward their own ordinances

These bus companies are acting recklessly. This is completely new conduct for which people should expect new ordinances to ensure the safety of the passengers, residents, officials, and first responders.

[former9thward]

28. Indiana suburbs also have public transit to Chicago.

They will just go there. Most of the suburbs don't care if the migrants are dumped because they are just there long enough to get on transportation to Chicago.

[Prairie Gates]

30. Numerous Illinois suburbs have already passed ordinances

Elburn, which has a Metra stop, passed an ordinance yesterday. Rosemont, which, as you well know, is connected to Chicago by the CTA Blue Line, passed one earlier this month. I think the number of suburban ordinances is at about a dozen thus far.

Whether the Indiana suburbs follow suit remains to be seen, of course, but that will probably depend on whether the bus companies actually start dropping people in Indiana. I haven't seen that. Can you link any cases, or are you just speculating?

[former9thward]

32. The only one speculating here is you.

You seem to think paper ordinances work. They don't. They are for media PR to make people think they are doing something. The suburbs don't care if people are dumped because they don't stay there. They get transportation to Chicago.

You can't stop a river by putting up a dam. The water will just go somewhere else.

[Prairie Gates]

35. So, no Indiana drop-offs then?

Your hydraulic metaphor notwithstanding, the fact that the bus companies have ceased their unsafe and illegal drop-offs in Chicago shows that these ordinances are, in fact, working. Coordinated ordinances will assure drop-offs that are safe for the migrant passengers, residents and others on site, officials, and first-responders. That is the point of these ordinances: safety. These bus companies have conducted themselves recklessly, and they need to stop.

[former9thward]

38. I have not been standing by bus or commuter train stops in IN.

As you apparently have been doing in all the suburbs. Because you know they are working. I guess no more migrants coming into Chicago now because everything is fine. The ordinances are working. Maybe you should tell Mayor Johnson no more problems!

[Prairie Gates]

39. The point of the ordinances is safety

Safe drop-offs. I'm not sure why you say "I guess no more migrants coming into Chicago now." That's not the point of these ordinances. The point is to establish very simple safety regulations for what has been demonstrably a completely reckless and dangerous practice. Yes, the bus companies have responded to the ordinances by moving around to suburbs. They've also responded by following the Chicago ordinances. They are sensitive to the fines and seizures. Now the suburbs are very clearly responding with their own ordinances. When the Illinois suburbs have coordinated ordinances, then the bus companies will either move some more (maybe to Indiana, as your post upthread speculated) or ultimately follow the very simple and reasonable ordinances.

It's remarkable that you seem to think the last thing the bus companies would ever do is follow the local ordinances designed to ensure safe arrivals. Why wouldn't they?

[paleotn]

4. Arrest the driver and impound the bus.

Lets see if jackass Amurka can find a charter company willing to take that kind of risk with very expensive assets.

[The Contrarian]

18. Put who back on the bus?

The human beings looking for a better life who made their way to the US and wish to come to NYC? Where do you think they should go instead?

[The Grand Illuminist]

7. I don't think this will stick.

nt

[manicdem]

22. wondering the same thing

I don't like what Texas is doing but I don't think Adams has the authority to do it.

[CanonRay]

8. They'll just start doing what they did in Chicago

They are dropping the off 40 or 50 miles outside Chicago in the middle of nowhere (e.g. a closed gas station in Kankakee). North Jersey better get ready.

[Prairie Gates]

21. Yes, at some point, their will be coordination on these ordinances

It bears mention how completely juvenile and reckless these practices have become. Oh, Chicago passed an ordinace to ensure the safety of passnegers, residents, officials, and first responders? Let's just drop them off in a gas station in Kankakee. People think that's funny? They're trolling with human lives now.

Here's a solution for the bus companies and Texas: simply follow the Chicago ordinances. Follow the very reasonable and legal rules put in place to ensure safe transportation and arrival and processing of the human you're sending and the people in the destination cities. No, they'd rather troll and laugh. Hardy har har, Sanctuary City! What a bunch of fucking scumbags.

They dropped human beings off at a gas station at 4:30 in the morning. How can anyone defend this?

[keithbvadu2]

9. Human trafficking by Abbot.

[Skittles]

10. I don't understand how this is legal

and these pukes call themselves CHRISTIANS, UGH

[NewLarry]

11. Since Texas is bussing their immigrants

to other states, they don't really need all the federal money they get for immigrant services. Many millions of dollars per year. Let's just transfer those funds to NY, IL, CO etc.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. Clarity

Transfers that money back to NY and IL. They are like NJ - paying too much in and getting very little back.

[Marthe48]

33. Welcome to DU

[Turbineguy]

12. Instead of sending convicted prisoners to Rikers Island

Eric Adams can have them dropped of at Abbotts mansion.

[harumph]

17. Well, it's a nimby kind of thing isn't it?

It's OK for Texas (el Paso, San Antonio, Houston) to have to deal with thousands of migrants - but too burdensome for NYC, Chicago, etc. There really is a worsening situation at the border. It's not a made up problem either. This is going to be
a drag on Biden if something isn't concluded at the federal level. Ignoring this will not make it go away.

[Marthe48]

37. the motivation is cruelty

abbott is doing this to own the libs. If he was trying to ease the burden on his own state, he'd send busses to any city in the U.S. But he sends the poor, struggling humans to Dem cities. It doesn't do anything to help the displaced people. The problem isn't going away, not as long as there is political unrest, destabilization of governments, wars, climate change, poverty and pestilence.

[harumph]

49. I think most cities (even in the south) are Dem cities.

I don't dispute what Abbot is doing is horrible, but the border situation is not tenable.

[thatdemguy]

53. He is sending them to sanctuary cities

Why would he send them to places that would not let them stay. Yes its targeted against cities and states that have sanctuary city policies. And its having the desired effect, New York city, detroit, etc are now all pushing back against their politicians. In some ways what he is doing is actually better, new york has the right to shelter laws, imagine if he sent to some where philly where they dont have those laws. That would be even more cruel.

And he is not kidnapping the people, they are told get on this bus, its headed to new york where by law they have to feed and house you. Of course they would get on the bus willingly.

Again the cities with the sanctuary policies are being targeted, but its because of those polices. And it is a direct attack on the politicians and polices of those cities.

[Seeking Serenity]

48. This administration could reduce border crossers to a trickle

They could if they wanted to. It's just that they don't want to.

I won't speculate as to why they they don't want to. But it's crystal clear that they don't, so they aren't.

[Prairie Gates]

19. These bus companies are endangering the passengers, residents, and first responders

And they're doing it for profit.

Establishing safe rules for this completely new conduct is a responsibility of these municipalities. If the bus companies don't like the legal ordinances put into place by the destination cities and municipalities to ensure the safety of passengers, residents, officials, and first responders, they can turn down the contracts.

This mass bussing of migrants is a completely new practice. Why wouldn't people expect it to result in new ordinances? Especially when the way the practice has been conducted by Texas and their vendor bus companies has been so utterly dangerous and reckless?

[FBaggins]

27. Ordinances are passed by local legislative bodies

This is an executive order.

Whether or not it's warranted or good policy is a separate issue. It's unlikely that this can have much of an impact on the problem (outside of PR)

[Prairie Gates]

29. I appreciate the definitional work

Since none of my posts in this thread (jncluding the one you responded to) referred to the NYC executive order as an ordinance, however, it is a correction in search of an error.

Whether or not it's warranted or good policy is a separate issue. Separate from what? Your completely irrelevant definitional nitpick? Yes, absolutely. That's the question the grown-ups are discussing.

It's unlikely that this can have much of an impact on the problem (outside of PR) Which problem? Unsafe drop-offs by bus companies? I disagree. The fact that the bus companies are already trying to find work-arounds in places where ordinances have been passed (like Chicago) indicates that they are sensitive to measures taken by destination municipalities to assure the safety of passengers, residents and others on site, officials, and first responders. And, let's not forget, the bus company employees themselves.

[FBaggins]

46. So you're saying that I was wrong to assume that your post replying to the OP was on-topic?

Um... ok.

I disagree. The fact that the bus companies are already trying to find work-arounds in places where ordinances have been passed

Again - My comments on the thread were in the context of the OP. It may very well be that an actual ordinance has more of an impact.

[Prairie Gates]

47. You assumed a meaning

It was neither on the surface nor implied. I'm not going to apologize for your bad reading.

The context includes the numerous ordinances that have been passed, including in Chicago and numerous Chicago suburbs.

[no_hypocrisy]

23. Wouldn't Texas retaliate/respond to the Mayor's Executive Order

by increasing the number of buses arriving during the prescribed hours? 25 instead of 5?

[Novara]

25. I don't know how he can enforce the advance notification portion

Or any of it, in reality.

I can't believe the taxpayers in Texass aren't furious that their money is being used for playing political stunts with humans.

I can't believe this hasn't been stopped and Abbot hasn't been arrested for trafficking or kidnapping.

[GiqueCee]

31. Abbott is...

... one of, if not THE worst governor in recent history, though he does face some stiff competition for the dubious distinction. That the Terrible Trio of Abbott, Patrick, and Paxton has not been voted out of office tells you all you need to know about the majority of the electorate in the Lone Star State. They loves them some good ol' down-home psychotic thugs.

The world would be a better place if that tree had been a little bit bigger.

[Polybius]

44. That they haven't been voted out tells you something about the border problem in Texas

Over 8,000 in one day is insane.

[GiqueCee]

45. I agree 100%...

... but the problem is the fact that no one is willing to address the root of that problem: Ronald Reagan's ruthless intervention in the Central American countries who's duly elected governments refused to bend the knee to American corporate interests, hence the death squads trained and funded by this country in order to secure compliance with the greedy desires of corporatists. The resultant failed states run by murderous gangs are what those people at the border are fleeing.
The problem will never end until the US faces up to the problem Republicans created, and helps to stabilize those countries so people won't be forced to run for their lives.
But, of course, that will require Republicans to admit they were wrong. Anyone wanna make book on the likelihood of that ever happening?

[IzzaNuDay]

57. Totally agree with your analysis

I recall when all the Reagan machinations in Central and South America occurred. And it was not long after that when we started seeing the migrations northward.
the USA always wants to see itself as a great nation but the reality is they collectively ignore the less great aspects of their history.

[Zincwarrior]

62. That was 40 years ago

[GiqueCee]

64. And, in all that time...

... what has changed for the better for those people? Nada. Thugs still kidnap children to jump them into gangs, or worse for young girls, or they hold them for ransom. The streets are regularly littered with bodies, many mutilated beyond recognition.

So, yeah. 40 years and not a goddamned thing has changed. That's a big part of why the southern border is nearly over run. And you can bet your grannie's knickers that Putin has his blood-soaked pinkies in there as well. He's overjoyed to contribute to the GOP's howl-a-thon to blame Biden for anything and everything. And malignant filth like Abbott stir the cauldron at every possible opportunity.

[MichMan]

63. Some are, but the majority are coming because they can make more money.

That is why the majority of asylum claims are ultimately denied after a hearing. There is no provision for asylum if you are coming for economic reasons.

[Croney]

26. Just a spelling footnote

Busing -- going by bus

Bussing -- kissing

[Prairie Gates]

36. Both spellings are acceptable

Good note on the other meaning of bussing, though.

[Croney]

40. Imagine if the "b's" were "m's"

One double-letter again makes two meanings a world apart.

Gotta love English. 😁

[Prairie Gates]

42. Pretty much every dictionary accepts the variations

I do enjoy imagining, though!

[Marthe48]

50. There might come a time when Americans become migrants

by choice because they disagree with living in a dictatorship, or because they are persecuted by a dictatorial government, or are escaping a civil war between domestic terrorists and Constitutional loyalists. How will American migrants be treated at the Mexican border? How will they be treated at the Canadian border? Will rich American migrants returning to their European, African or Asian roots be welcomed with open arms? Will American migrant families be separated from each other?

The migrant problem at the border is because the people trying to come to our country are fleeing right wing governments, in some cases new to their country or their lives. They are fleeing economic disaster, environmental disaster, war, terrorism, drug wars, and cruelty that is hard to imagine. The people coming to the borders of our country are not just Latino or from South American countries. They are European, Asian, Middle Eastern, and African.

Uruguay has one of the highest standards of living in the world. What is that South American country doing that other South American countries could model, and perhaps make their own countries easier and safer to live in? Other stable countries have immigration problems, too, because people are trying to move out of harm's way. Instead of coming down hard on the people at the border, let's figure out a way to make other countries better and more responsible about caring for their citizens.

Humans have always been on the move, but until fairly recently in our history, there were fewer walls to stop them.

[MichMan]

51. Does Uruguay have a similar number of people crossing their borders ?

[Marthe48]

52. I don't know

Friends of mine visited the country and I read a little about it. I was surprised at what I read. If one country in South America can create a nation on that continent that has a high standard of living for the inhabitants, other countries should take a look.

[cstanleytech]

54. Might be time for Biden to redirect any Federal discretionary monies from Texas and any other States that try this shit

to help the States they have been pulling it on.
Plus consider redirecting or delaying any planned military spending in those that he can.

[MichMan]

55. What type of funding ?

Like School funding, SNAP benefits and Medicaid? I don't support that

[cstanleytech]

56. I was thinking more along the lines of sudden expenses regarding various Federal facilities in the state plus

delaying if not canceling the transfer of military personnel to the state wherever
possible.

[IzzaNuDay]

58. How do we intercept these buses from being loaded?

Root cause — where and how are the migrants being recruited to board these buses and airplanes in the first place?

And how to send the message folks still in those affected countries what is really happening if they seek to cross the usa border?

[ripcord]

59. The border states shouldn't have to try and deal with the huge number of people crossing the border alone

What is going on with immigrants flooding the border states is wrong and a failure of our federal government. No state can absorb the number of people flooding into the country, it is time for the feds to start busing immigrants around the country so the entire nation shares equally.

[Zincwarrior]

60. How?

How does a mayor stop interstate travel again? Good luck with that.

[MichMan]

65. This specifically mentions Chicago, but NYC is referenced as one of the migrants top choices

Despite warning of cold temperatures, migrants choose to come to Chicago

CHICAGO (CBS) – As CBS 2's Marybel Gonzalez reported, migrants are still choosing Chicago as their landing spot in the U.S. Even as temperatures drop in Chicago, the city continues to be a hot spot for new arrivals.

CBS 2 spoke with a person running some of the shelters along the southern border about why this could be. Martin said migrants have been choosing to go to cities all over the country, but the top destinations continue to be Denver, New York City, and Chicago.

"I think the predominate issue is that whether it be, in your case, probably unintentional, is they now have a support network within Chicago, support network meaning others that have preceded them at that point." That means family and friends who have already arrived in Chicago.

In El Paso, Martin and his staff inform migrants about conditions in destinations like Chicago. They've even posted signs at shelters to warn of Chicago's daily overnight temperatures to give migrants a visual of what to expect.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/despite-warning-of-cold-temperatures-migrants-choose-to-come-to-chicago/ar-AA1medkP?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=b1ed575951024150823d5a86a059d7e8&ei=86