UN General Assembly backs Palestinian bid for membership

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: Reuters

May 10, 2024 11:27 AM EDT Updated 18 min ago


UNITED NATIONS, May 10 (Reuters) - The United Nations General Assembly on Friday backed a Palestinian bid to become a full U.N. member by recognizing it as qualified to join and recommending the U.N. Security Council "reconsider the matter favorably."

The vote by the 193-member General Assembly was a global survey of support for the Palestinian bid to become a full U.N. member - a move that would effectively recognize a Palestinian state - after the United States vetoed it in the U.N. Security Council last month.

The assembly adopted a resolution on Friday with 143 votes in favor and nine against - including the U.S. and Israel - while 25 countries abstained. It does not give the Palestinians full U.N. membership, but simply recognizes them as qualified to join. The General Assembly resolution "determines that the State of Palestine ... should therefore be admitted to membership" and it "recommends that the Security Council reconsider the matter favorably."

The Palestinian push for full U.N. membership comes seven months into a war between Israel and Palestinian militants Hamas in the Gaza Strip, and as Israel is expanding settlements in the occupied West Bank, which the U.N. considers to be illegal. "We want peace, we want freedom," Palestinian U.N. Ambassador Riyad Mansour told the General Assembly before the vote. "A yes vote is a vote for Palestinian existence, it is not against any state. ... It is an investment in peace."

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-general-assembly-set-back-palestinian-bid-membership-2024-05-10/

[Chainfire]

1. The damn UN is anti-Semitic!

[Dave Bowman]

2. Lol! Thanks for the chuckle.

[RAB910]

3. Good, those poor people need all the help they can get

[JustAnotherGen]

4. How is that possible

If the Political Leadership has been recognized as a Terrorist Organization since 2006. Or - is the idea to hand over the reins to the Palestinian Authority?

[ck4829]

5. "Terrorist"? What's that even mean at this point?

The Russian military has been doing terrorist activities with their double taps and nobody calls Russia a state sponsor of terror.

Why the double standard? They get to be a permanent member of the UN Security Council because their terrorism is the... good terrorism?

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Russia did not have a

Terrorist Organization win their elections as a Political Party.

2003 - just one year - there were 21 suicide attacks in Israel. Hamas took responsibility for 10 of them.

2004 - Ariel Sharon drags Israel kicking and screaming across the finish line into vacating Gaza.

August 2005-September 2005 the Unilateral Disengagement begins. Israel goes so far as to remove graves of long dead Jewish Israelis.

Ariel Sharon TRULY believed that not having Israelis in the Gaza Strip would lead to peace. It would enable the Gazans to engage in self governance and determine their own path. Do you remember the Muslim world cheering in abandon in August 2005 when Sharon made good on the promise? I do!

There were people who believed that Gaza would become a new Hong Kong.

It didn't pan out. In January of 2006 Hamas won the majority of seats in the Legislature. Because of their affiliation with the Muslim Brotherhood, and long record (198ish - starting in) of engaging in terrorist bombings and such (Unless suicide bombings of malls at random is just 'shenanigans' or something) - things fell apart.

People focus STRICTLY on Israel blocking the Gazans from entering Israel -
They always forget about Egypt's actions. And those of Jordan on the West Bank.

Here is Hamas Charter: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"
^Now what am I supposed to do with that?^

Here's my solution: Immediately move all GOP supporters in NJ to Idaho, ND, SD, etc. etc. - and we'll re-home the Israelis here. That way they don't get annihilated, I remove the pestilence in my presence (Maggots) and replace them with good human beings, and Palestinians the world over will get their way of the removal of Israel from the planet.

Three wins - but there are people on the far Left who will be mad that we weren't nice to the maggots and blame it on Biden, instead of Governor Murphay. I can't win. All kidding aside -

I refuse to allow a different flavor of Final Solution to be inflicted upon Israel. I refuse. And that's what Hamas wants - and that's why they are terrorists. It's IN THEIR CHARTER.

[AloeVera]

9. Disengagement was not about peace, but avoiding and postponing it.

It was about demographics, the threat to Israel as a Jewish state, and the freezing and avoiding of the peace process "until the Palestinians turn into Finns".

In October 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's senior adviser, Dov Weissglass, explained the meaning of Sharon's statement further:

The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process, and when you freeze that process, you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem. Effectively, this whole package called the Palestinian state, with all that it entails, has been removed indefinitely from our agenda. And all this with authority and permission. All with a presidential blessing and the ratification of both houses of Congress. That is exactly what happened. You know, the term 'peace process' is a bundle of concepts and commitments. The peace process is the establishment of a Palestinian state with all the security risks that entails. The peace process is the evacuation of settlements, it's the return of refugees, it's the partition of Jerusalem. And all that has now been frozen.... what I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns. That is the significance of what we did.[17]

In a November 2003 interview, Ehud Olmert, Sharon's deputy leader, who had been "dropping unilateralist hints for two or three months", explained his developing policy as follows:[10][11][12]

There is no doubt in my mind that very soon the government of Israel is going to have to address the demographic issue with the utmost seriousness and resolve. This issue above all others will dictate the solution that we must adopt. In the absence of a negotiated agreement – and I do not believe in the realistic prospect of an agreement – we need to implement a unilateral alternative... More and more Palestinians are uninterested in a negotiated, two-state solution, because they want to change the essence of the conflict from an Algerian paradigm to a South African one. From a struggle against 'occupation,' in their parlance, to a struggle for one-man-one-vote. That is, of course, a much cleaner struggle, a much more popular struggle – and ultimately a much more powerful one. For us, it would mean the end of the Jewish state... the parameters of a unilateral solution are: To maximize the number of Jews; to minimize the number of Palestinians; not to withdraw to the 1967 border and not to divide Jerusalem... Twenty-three years ago, Moshe Dayan proposed unilateral autonomy. On the same wavelength, we may have to espouse unilateral separation... [it] would inevitably preclude a dialogue with the Palestinians for at least 25 years.[13]

It was not the magnanimous gesture it was presented to be, as the Palestinians soon found out.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

[JustAnotherGen]

10. That doesn't

Reference Sharon advising George W Bush that there was no one in Palestine to negotiate peace - or a two state solution with.

The Wikipedia that is.

It also doesn't reference that Sharon broke with his coalition and leveraged the Left to get the votes he needed. Or - that it was an idea -but on steroids - of his previous opponent.

It also doesn't acknowledge Egypt or Jordan and their role in boxing in the West Bank and Gazans - because of the known terrorists in their midst.

I can give you a list of books and references that go beyond Wikipedia. Most of my knowledge comes from reading books and tribal knowledge gained during the Bush Administration.

The one thing I DID read in depth yesterday was the Hamas Charter. I had never read it in depth.

Its chilling for Democracy. As chilling as the charters for any White Supremacist group in America.

Replace Islam with Christianity and word for word it becomes Project 2025.

[AloeVera]

12. Books, what are those?

Seriously??

Israel has claimed for years there was no partner for peace, largely because of Hamas. That I didn't find a more " credible" source on the spur of the moment does not change that well-known fact.

I could go on but I have far better things to do today .

[JustAnotherGen]

14. Mmm - 'kay

[NickB79]

11. "For us, it would mean the end of the Jewish state... "

And that is exactly what a lot of people are rooting for, though they coach it as "anti-Zionism" these days.

Because the end of the Jewish state invariably leads to a second Holocaust.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. I'm convinced

The Gazan Political Leadership (Hamas) does not want a Two State Solution. I had never read their Political Party's Platform/Charter prior to yesterday.

They want a Final Solution to Israel - Not a Two State Solution.

ETA back up for my bolded informed opinion above -
Full text is here:
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"

I'm sure there some new meaning for the word "obliterate" that Gen Exers are too "elderly" to understand - but not a single Merriam Webster Definition is *positive*.

1
a
: to remove utterly from recognition or memory
… a successful love crowned all other successes and obliterated all other failures.
—J. W. Krutch
b
: to remove from existence : destroy utterly all trace, indication, or significance of
The tide eventually obliterated all evidence of our sandcastles.
c
medical : to cause (something, such as a bodily part, a scar, or a duct conveying body fluid) to disappear or collapse : REMOVE sense 4
a blood vessel obliterated by inflammation
2
: to make undecipherable or imperceptible by obscuring or wearing away
A dimness like a fog envelops consciousness / As mist obliterates a crag.
—Emily Dickinson
3
: CANCEL sense 2
obliterate a postage stamp

Israel is not a Postage Stamp or a *fog*. It has to be definitions 1a, 1b, or 1c. Wait - Unless Hamas changes their charter to pull all references to this out - and to demand that all Arab States recognize Israel.

[prodigitalson]

16. neither hamas nor bibis coalition want a two state solution, the palestinian authority and other israelis do

[Lonestarblue]

6. And what would you call the murders of West Bank Palestinians by violent settlers and the IDF?

Those Palestinians are homeowners. They are not Hamas. Both the IDF and the settlers are terrorists sponsored by the state of Israel.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. The IDF is the Israeli Military

I mean - I'm sure there are people that were awful to my dad when he left the US Army and called him a terrorist for being a Green Beret. But I can say beyond a doubt - He didn't care. I'm sure the Israeli soldiers could care less what you or I think of them.

The far right - right wing nut jobs attacking Palestinians in the West Bank - again - if Sharon had been able to totally disengage, we wouldn't be having this problem today.

Now Israel is in a place of, "How much do we have to give our Political Foes in Palestine to get them off of our backs."

There's nothing they can give to them when Hamas charter reads that: Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988
In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic world is on fire. Each of us should pour some water, no matter how little, to extinguish whatever one can without waiting for the others." (Sheikh Amjad al-Zahawi, of blessed memory).

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

What am I supposed to do with that. Pretend their own charter doesn't exist? If folks can give a way that Israel can get Hamas off their backs - I'm all ears. But Hamas own charter states that they exist to eliminate Israel.

[iemanja]

17. If Palestine had statehood

they could have a standing army and Hamas would not have a foothold. That is exactly what Netanyahu opposes.

[myohmy2]

13. weren't...

...they supposed to have a country by now...?

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