'Total outrage': White House condemns Israeli settlers' attack on Gaza aid trucks
Source: The Guardian
It is a total outrage that there are people who are attacking and looting these convoys coming from Jordan, going to Gaza to deliver humanitarian assistance, US national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters.
Israels siege of Gaza has created what aid officials are referring to as man-made starvation, with the territory facing the threat of mass deaths from famine with children already dying from hunger.
Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/total-outrage-white-house-condemns-israeli-settlers-attack-on-gaza-aid-convoy
It's not the first time this has happened. And the Israeli police did nothing to stop it while it was happening.
These "settlers" are fine with starving people and ethnic cleansing in order to get some beachfront land.
mucifer
(23,732 posts)Think. Again.
(10,045 posts)...of netanyahu's rightwing government.
atreides1
(16,169 posts)There have been several members of Netanyahu's cabinet who have been very verbal in their support for an end to the Palestinian "problem"!
And let's not forget the active participation of the Israeli police and military...actively looking the other way!
peppertree
(22,065 posts)
"Can you believe it, Vlad? I Milosevic them worse than Milosevic, and spy on the Americans like a son-of-a-bitch - and all their congresscritters can agree on, is throwing me more money!"
"What a country."
Traurigkeit
(933 posts)LeftInTX (25,808 posts)
7. Apparently you can donate to them from the US
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Who do I report this to???
This website should be blocked in the US.
LeftInTX
(26,269 posts)Traurigkeit
(933 posts)electric_blue68
(15,384 posts)tornado34jh
(1,077 posts)Who do you think these settlers voted for? What they really want is to claim Palestinian land as their own. If these settlers are attacking an humanitarian convoy, how does that make them any better? I should expect that from ISIS and Hamas. There is an ulterior motive, and Hamas is a diversion. I think the Israeli government by Netanyahu plays a big role into why it is such a mess. Besides, we know Netanyahu has unclean hands when it comes to Hamas, he had been propping them up for years, especially in his second stint as PM.
Lonestarblue
(10,500 posts)As with MAGA, they believe that their wishes are all that matter and no one else has any rights. Netanyahu encourages this behavior because he wants all Palestinians gone, whether in death or forced to leave for other countries. The Israeli settlers are nothing but terrorists.
tornado34jh
(1,077 posts)Stuff like this. That is not a good look if we are supporting Netanyahu. Look, the reality is, the whole settler thing has been going on for a long time, long before the rise of Hamas. Again, it is one thing if you want to defeat Hamas, but I feel there is an ulterior motive from this government. If Netanyahu really wanted to get rid of Hamas, he could have done that long ago. He was PM from 2009-2021. That's a lot of time he could have done that.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)if any of the far right parties in Netanyahu's coalition pull out because they don't like some compromise, that triggers a new election. Netanyahu won't be elected again, and he goes to prison for corruption.
mopinko
(70,703 posts)i have no problem w american troops going over there and making sure this aid gets where its going. but its not my call.
but a un force, w soldiers from other me countries, needs to b stood up.
NOW!
maxsolomon
(33,620 posts)Netanyahu's going to have to reign in these fanatics. TBD if Biden has any hammer that would persuade him to do so.
mopinko
(70,703 posts)he knows hes going to the hague. its a matter of when.
stop the blue hats, grab your toothbrush, bibi.
i think joe calls for new elections any day now. he wont b alone.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)Thats what usually happens when someone here dares to criticize Netanyahus relentless campaign to kill civilians.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)* to intentionally hide among them, using them has human shields. Hamas has "dehumanized" them and by hiding among civilians, Hamas has made them targets that will be killed and injured in the process of destroying Hamas. Israel does not have a "relentless campaign to kill civilians." The "campaign" is to destroy Hamas. When civilians die, that is the fault of Hamas.
Orrex
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Explain how that justifies the targeting of an aid convoy.
If a murderer took refuge in your basement and held you & your family hostage, would the cops be justiifed in bombing your house to rubble simply because the killer hid among you?
We should demand better from our heavily funded Democratic ally.
And perhaps you should call the Whitehouse to share your insights about Hamas tactics.
Beastly Boy
(9,912 posts)You want someone to explain to you how Hamas dehumanizing civilians and using them as human shields justifies jewish radical right wingers targeting an aid convoy?
It doesn't.
Just as Jewish radical right wingers targeting an aid convoy doesn't justify Hamas dehumanizing civilians and using them as human shields.
Why would you think there is connection between the two that conceivably justifies one or the other?
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)that no reasonable law enforcement would bomb a house where a murder suspect took a family hostage
IMO, Israel has no such qualms because its all part of the ethnic cleansing process. It now appears obvious that the accidental killing of innocent Palestinians is just a bonus killing that can be attributed to war is war.
History will not be kind.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)We try to avoid that sort of excessive force these days
Beastly Boy
(9,912 posts)The demand for an explanation is crystal clear:
("that" being the subject of the previous post)
This is a quote, not an interpretation of what "He said essentially".
Not even close to "no reasonable law enforcement would bomb a house where a murder suspect took a family hostage" You are saying this, not the poster I replied to.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Voltaire2
(13,687 posts)They are not separate entities. Hamas is not hiding among them, they are them.
This nonsense was the same logic we used to justify murdering millions in Southeast Asia during that genocidal counter insurgency.
Beastly Boy
(9,912 posts)those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
Those with loaded guns are a separate entity. Making no distinctions between them and Gazan civilians is nonsense.
TomDaisy
(2,063 posts)ilovegamers43
(86 posts)How do you tell who hamas is and who a Palestinian person that is innocent is?
TomDaisy
(2,063 posts)Magoo48
(4,783 posts)TBF
(32,297 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)* false claim that Israel has a "relentless campaign to kill civilians" --- that's all I was trying to say.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)And he and his propagandists should drop the bullshit about hiding among civilians.
If indeed theyre hiding among civilians, or if theyre using children as human shields, as is so often claimed, then sorry, but you dont get to bomb the neighborhood flat.
Or, if you deliberately choose to bomb the neighborhood flat, then you dont get to claim that Hamas made us do it.
Indiscriminately bombing a civilian town in hope of killing some number of Hamas terrorists who may or may not be there is, in fact, morally identical to deliberately killing civilians.
And spare us any nonsense about adequate warning. Adequate warning to do what? To go where? On what roads? With what vehicles?
Give us some numbers. How many thousands of Palestinian children can be justifiably slaughtered in an effort to kill how many Hamas operatives?
Hamas is a terrorist regime that should be wiped out to its last member. Regardless, Netanyahus actions are morally indefensible.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)I blame Hamas and only Hamas.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)You didnt answer the earlier question: if a murderer takes refuge in your basement, holding your family hostage, can the cops destroy the house and everyone in it on the grounds that its all the murderers fault?
I notice that you simply dont answer questions, and instead you parrot Netanyahus authoritarian talking points. Why?
Netanyahu is making a deliberate choice to murder children. Why do his apologists claim that his heavily funded Democratic ally has no agency or accountability in this?
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)Actually, I'm not defending anything, I'm simply telling you where the blame belongs. War sucks. People die. Hamas is making sure that as many civilians die as they possibly can. Blame Hamas. Hamas is "making a deliberate choice to 'murder children'" by making sure that they are in harm's way.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)If thats not your position, then please clarify.
If that is your position, then you are defending the slaughter of children while falsely pretending to pursue some higher logical position.
And the analogy was spot on: the presence of criminals or terrorists does not justify the killing of civilians. If you imagine otherwise, then perhaps you can explain the morality of executing an attack guaranteed to kill more civilians than enemies, and then perhaps you can explain why you find it abominable when Hamas does it but acceptable when Netanyahu does it, and does it it vastly greater numbers.
Maybe you havent been reading your posts, but by dubiously shifting the blame from Netanyahu to Hamas, you are absolutely defending him. At least have the integrity to admit it.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)I'm not defending the deaths of civilians. I'm not taking a "position". What I am doing is telling you why it's happening, and who actually deserves the blame.
When someone chooses to personally attack me by insinuating that I lack "integrity" (or that I lack "morality" or that I'm lying and making "false" claims) will not accomplish anything. By resorting to such things (ie: personal attacks and veiled insults) it only indicates that someone is arguing from a position of weakness or overwrought emotion. I can assure everyone that such passive aggressive tactics do not work on me.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)You are not in fact telling anyone *why* it is happening. Instead, you are parroting Netanyahus propaganda as a false justification for a lethal military campaign against civilians, all while ludicrously claiming not to have a position. Which is hardly the moral flex that you seem to imagine.
And attacking your integrity, such as it is, is unconnected to my easily verified assertion that Netanyahu is deliberately killing civilians.
It is possible, in short, to fault one persons lack of integrity while also criticizing another persons campaign of slaughter.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)And, I'm against Hamas. I've clearly expressed my disgust at how Hamas is deliberately hiding among civilians and putting civilians in harm's way for propaganda purposes. They even lie and exaggerate the number of casualties. It's just awful that so many civilians are dying because of what Hamas is doing. Hamas is using them as cannon fodder. Hamas is slaughtering civilians to protect themselves. It's disgusting.
It is important to note that the deliberate targeting of civilians by terrorists is widely condemned as a violation of international humanitarian law. Intentionally causing civilian deaths or using civilians as shields is considered a war crime.
It is worth pointing out that the responsibility for civilian casualties resulting from the use of human shields lies primarily the terrorist organization. The military force seeking to eliminate the threat should make efforts to minimize harm to civilians but cannot be held responsible for the actions of the terrorists. Nor can they just "call it a draw" and give Hamas breathing room to reconstitute and grow again.
In the end, Hamas will be destroyed. More civilians will die. And Hamas will be to blame.
And... OMG: 🤣😂 @ the "integrity" insults and other 🪤🪱🪝
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Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)The choice is being made by Hamas when they use civilians as human shields. In wars, people die. Hamas is doing everything possible to make certain that as many civilians die. They do not care. Hamas is to blame. This is Hamas' doing. Blame Hamas.
iemanja
(53,175 posts)Your claim that civilian Palestinians are by nature terrorists is without a moral or factual basis.
That your reaction to these events is to justify them says everything.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)I understand it's an emotional subject, but the fact remains that Hamas is to blame. They are the ones who put civilian lives at risk. They know what will happen, but they do not care. They likely WANT the civilians to be in danger... not only because they are cowards, but because they can use it for propaganda.
iemanja
(53,175 posts)Not Hamas. The Israeli settlers have chosen to attack a food convoy. That is not Hamas' decision. Pretending otherwise is ridiculous. The Israeli government and its citizens are responsible for its own actions, just as Hamas is responsible for its actions. When you blame everything on Hamas, you are indeed justifying everything Israel does, as though they have no agency over their own behavior. That is far from reality.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)Correct. It was a shitty thing to do. I guess they're resentful of the violence that happened on October 6. I certainly understand their anger. Murder, rape and sexual mutilation are horrible... but I guess they didn't have "agency over their own behavior" or something because, according to some, they were just "freedom fighters", or something.
>> Pretending otherwise is ridiculous.
What's actually "ridiculous" is for anyone to "pretend" that I've claimed otherwise. Stop it.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)My brain is perfectly clean now!
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)TeamProg
(6,630 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)Correct. Nothing is wrong with me.
W T F
(1,152 posts)Literally every civilian killed by cops can be explained away by the same logic.
Sure, we shot an innocent man while he was asleep in his bed, but it was the murderers fault. Next question.
Zeitghost
(3,971 posts)We killed Germans to get rid of Hitler and the Nazis, we killed Japanese to stop Tojo and the Japanese military.
It is tragic, but it falls on the evil, murderous, genocidal regimes intent on terrorizing their neighbors and the world.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,088 posts)And the analogy is absurd. Goodbye.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)since Biden restricted the size of weapons given to Israel in the latest shipment. They want bigger bombs. Our tax dollars at work.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)Silly me. Because apparently Netanyahu can only act as a Hamas stooge, unable to make decisions or be accountable for his own actions.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)literally, Hamas did the 10/7 attacks to get this type of response from the far right.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)I cant believe that I didnt see it before.
JohnSJ
(92,740 posts)October 7.
What Hamas did by breaking that ceasefire and killing, mutilating, and raping 1200 civilians is only empower the Israeli right wing coalition.
There have been so many missed opportunities where peace could have been achieved, but the poor leadership from both the Israelis and Palestinians have perpetuated this blood. feud.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)But too many here are using that to give Netanyahu a moral blank check for his military campaign and how he conducts it.
Hamas is a terrorist regime that must be wiped out to its last member. Israel is a very well-funded Democracy and strong US ally. It is reasonable to hold the two to different standards of action.
JohnSJ
(92,740 posts)pro Israel or not. He has been skirting the Israeli law for quite a few years, and this war has allowed him to avoid prosecution.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)And that willingness to cover for him, rather than saying yes, hes murdering children, is essentially the same as approving of him.
Just because people here at DU aren't calling for parades or waving flags, does not mean that some of them they don't approve of what Netanyahu is doing.
Throughout history there have always been those who do not show public support for atrocities, but it doesn't mean that they didn't agree with what was being done, and in some cases took advantage where they could.
Remember, not all Germans were Nazis...
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)maxsolomon
(33,620 posts)"Relentless campaign to kill civilians".
This war is filled with gray areas, and some of DU prefers to only see black or white.
"That is all", as so many DUers say.
Orrex
(63,430 posts)Heres a hint: if you clutch your pearls over word choice while children are starving to death and being bombed as part of Netanyahus relentless campaign, then your opinion can safely be ignored.
maxsolomon
(33,620 posts)"That is all".
Orrex
(63,430 posts)On an entirely unrelated note, its useful to be able to cite examples when saying can you believe the bullshit ways that people are defending Netanyahu?
TomDaisy
(2,063 posts)while he played culture war games to try to cling to power
Martin Eden
(12,948 posts)Including Gaza and the West Bank. They are playing the long game for a unified country in which Jews will always be a supermajority.
They believe, based on what's happened since the establishment of Israel, they can never have internal peace and security as long as Palestinians can hold onto the hope of having their own nation state within the borders or produce organizations like Hamas intent on destroying the Jewish state.
The only way to solve the "Palestinian problem"is by death or diaspora. In other words, ethnic cleansing.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)RW Israeli settlers want that beachfront land. They want desperate starving Palestinians to leave or die. Netanyahu's coalition is full of these types. Any compromise or compassion is met with accusations of supporting Hamas. If even one RW party pulls out of his government, they have to call elections and he won't win again. He goes straight to prison.
"But Hamas..."
maxsolomon
(33,620 posts)Probably didn't work, either.
Martin68
(23,399 posts)Native Americans died of the flu or strains of the common cold to which the natives had no immunological resistance. It happened very quickly as the pandemic spread.
Voltaire2
(13,687 posts)wnylib
(22,233 posts)What they are doing is viciously cruel, both the settlers and the police. They claim that there should be no aid to Palestinians until after Hamas releases the hostages. Based on that, their motivation looks like rage over the 10/7 attacks.
The constant fighting in the region for 75 years has produced polarized extremes on both sides.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)they want to punish the Palestinians and they want the land. The settlers are in West Bank, while Hamas is in Gaza. Yet settlers have been abusing and killing Palestinians in the West Bank who had nothing to do with 10/7 or Hamas.
wnylib
(22,233 posts)Hezbollah has an extensive network there.
Hezbollah has been using drone attacks into Israel in this war in support of Hamas.
IronLionZion
(45,885 posts)wnylib
(22,233 posts)obviously not connected to the current war. It goes back to the 1967 war and disputes over UN Resolution 242.
But the current attacks by settlers on the Palestinian aid trucks is connected to the current war and hostages.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)getting their land back.
Lot's of bad history in the ME since 1948 with Israel playing the 'chaos agent' role perfectly as directed by England and the U.S.. Just ask Henry Kissinger.
Bettie
(16,231 posts)the massive natural gas fields off the coast of Gaza.
TBF
(32,297 posts)they want Israel to have all the land and for it to be a religious Jewish state. By "they" I mean right-wing Israelis.
Netanyahu has taken it up a notch with the killing, I think they would be just as happy if Palestinians simply left the country (and yes I know how ridiculous that sounds given how most are living in poverty, and esp. how they are trying to survive now). I really do think that is the goal of Likud, the settlers, etc.
sarisataka
(19,456 posts)Anyone blocking aid the Palestinians should be condemned
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218947728
Old Crank
(3,846 posts)or other international support for your cause.
underpants
(183,590 posts)Texting this to our local talk radio ahole.
twodogsbarking
(10,316 posts)erodriguez
(674 posts)of children and young adults destroying the food.
Lots of Israelis are lost to hate. Lots of Palestinians too.
The US should not be involved in this war at all.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)I expect international aid trucks not to be attacked.
myohmy2
(3,309 posts)...are the Israeli authorities...?
...complicit...?
...when this is over Israel is going to find itself in a might big hole it dug for itself...
...what's going on in Gaza it the kind of tragedy that last for generations along with war crime tribunals and epic movie reminders...
...and there is one undisputed fact to be reckoned with, there are many more Arabs than Israelis...
...put it this way, if tomorrow Japan had a reason and opportunity to nuke us, do you think they would...?
...time and technology waits for no one...
sarisataka
(19,456 posts)...put it this way, if tomorrow Japan had a reason and opportunity to nuke us, do you think they would...?
but I would rather give you the benefit of the doubt than have my thoughts confirmed.
Bayard
(22,583 posts)Like the old stagecoach days.
jalan48
(13,984 posts)AloeVera
(1,255 posts)Last edited Tue May 14, 2024, 07:18 PM - Edit history (1)
While the bigger outrage of the planned and systematic impeding/slowing down of aid by the government of Israel is ignored.
The two are inter-related, that needs to be raised.
sdfernando
(5,014 posts)Call them what they are...."illegal immigrants"....or usurpers.....or how about invaders????
Zeitghost
(3,971 posts)Invaders sounds exactly like the Magats when they refer to our immigrant communities.
sdfernando
(5,014 posts)since they likely support the so called "settlers" labeling them as something they despise would drive them nuts.
Zeitghost
(3,971 posts)Then you agree; immigrant communities need to be supported, whether they are here in the US, Europe or the West Bank.
sdfernando
(5,014 posts)was born in Munich Germany and I have naturalization papers although both parents were natural born U.S. citizens. And, no I was not adopted but I was born on foreign soil.
JohnSJ
(92,740 posts)Novara
(5,944 posts)That's Israel's playbook.
Hamas is stupid. They gave Israel the excuse to do this. They had to know they can't win this. But I suspect a two-state solution isn't their motivation. I believe they attacked Israel in the first place out of pure revenge. But that begs the question: why did they attack in the first place? The answer points to Israel and its treatment of Palestinians.
It's a mess and it won't end well (or maybe at all). But you don't starve people and then bomb relief supplies. Not when you are lying to the world that this is legitimate military action. It is not.
LeftInTX
(26,269 posts)womanofthehills
(8,910 posts)Images on Twitter & TicToc. Sick!!!
TomDaisy
(2,063 posts)Traurigkeit
(933 posts)Aussie105
(5,637 posts)Is calling Bibi 'The Butcher of Palestine' too soon?
Magoo48
(4,783 posts)LeftInTX
(26,269 posts)The Biden administration is looking into sanctioning the extremist Israelis involved in the recent spate of attacks targeting humanitarian aid convoys for Gaza civilians, two US officials tell The Times of Israel.
The sanctions would be levied through the executive order signed by US President Joe Biden in February, which allowed the Treasury Department to designate Israelis involved in violent activity in the West Bank, the officials say.
The attacks in the West Bank largely started last month when Israel agreed to expand the aid route from Jordan to ensure that more assistance gets into Gaza.
The far-right group Tzav 9 has led many of the protests in both the West Bank and within Israel proper, aiming to block aid trucks from reaching Gaza. The group argues that the assistance is being co-opted by Hamas a charge the US denies. Israel has also made a point in recent months of stressing the amount of aid it is allowing into Gaza, indicating that it, too, doesnt believe the assistance is for Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-looking-to-sanction-extremist-israelis-for-attacks-on-gaza-aid-convoys-officials-tell-toi/
Aussie105
(5,637 posts)Israelis are the Good Guys.
Anyone not Israeli in the region, anyone within range of a missile, bomb or IDF sniper, is a Bad Guy. Any gender, any age, not Israeli? Bad Guy!
See how easy it is? That 'war' label really simplifies things!
(Sarcasm may, or may not be involved in this post.)
Chi67
(1,096 posts)This makes me sick to my stomach! Bibi and the current Israeli government has to GO.