Ryan Freel Commits Suicide: REPORTS
Source: HuffingtonPost.com
Former Major League player Ryan Freel has commited suicide, as first reported by First Coast News.
Freel, a utility player who spent parts of eight seasons in the Majors, took his own life at the age of 36. Best known for his years with the Cincinnati Reds, he played 594 games with five teams from 2001 through 2009.
Citing confirmation from Sgt. Mike Paul of the Jacksonville Sheriffs Office, Jacksonville.com reported that Freel was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/22/ryan-freel-commits-suicide-dead_n_2353907.html
Another death by gun. One has to wonder if he didn't have a gun, maybe he would have made it through that dark night, and he would have seen the sun coming up in the morning, and he would have gotten help.
All of us have been there. That's why I don't keep a gun in the house.
Bozita
(26,955 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)Some of us quickly snap out of it, others need help, and some struggle with it for a lifetime.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)'shit my team lost the world series'
and clinical depression/thoughts of suicide.
I would be worried if EVERYONE considered suicide at some point. It would suggest that our society is fantastically unhealthy to a degree that, even given how fucked up things are right now, would be absolutely mind-boggling.
(IIRC, in people aged 18-25, the highest risk group, the number of people who have had serious thoughts of suicide numbers slightly under 10%)
Edit: The world series quip was not targeted at the man who committed suicide in the OP. Substitute 'superbowl' or whatever. Unfortunate coincidence, or the fact that he was a baseball player slightly biased my train of thought to one particular sport.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)does not just magically occur after a sports loss....any sport. It may have been merely the trigger...the last straw. Athletes and especially men are taught in the game and in our society just to "play through it" as it's still considered "weak" to get help. Less so today, I think.
We don't know about his family, money issues, major disappointments and so many other things. The pressures from all sides are very high on public people and their families.
Surely there was no shortage of mental health care in his life.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:25 AM - Edit history (1)
Sorry, I must have hit return too soon.
Many of us feel depressed and even go to the verge of suicide. I don't believe the OP meant that everyone one of us had been to the point of considering suicide but was more a comment that we all get depressed from time to time. If you never get depressed please seek professional help. Never getting depressed would make one abnormal.
Stats clearly show the availability of guns in a household with a depressed person are more likely to lead to a successful suicide than in households without a gun. Even if the troubled individuals try to use available drugs to kill themselves.
It is quite clear we can rush a person to the ER and pump their stomach to save them if they use drugs to attempt suicide. We cannot do anything but call the coroner and scrape a person's brains off the walls and ceiling if they use a gun for suicide.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)That's all.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Compared to 3% of attempts with pills.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)did so with guns
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)use pills which may be more a call for help, and not knowing the exact dosage required, perhaps.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I said that downthread, before you.
BainsBane
(53,066 posts)Making a generally point about that inaccurate. Perhaps that wasn't the part you objected to, but That was not clear.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)His post said 'many of us/EOM'. Look at the edit history.
I stand by my statement in that context. (EOM means end of message)
I'm not going to edit my post to fix it in the context of that poster's edit.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)While not everyone has been at the point of suicide, certainly everyone has faced personal disappointments that seemed much larger than they are.
With a little alcohol or other drugs these feelings can become exaggerated.
Teddy Roosevelt seemed to be the most contagiously upbeat and optomistic public man in history.
And yet after his mother and wife died on the same day he was never able to speak of them the rest of his life.
So yes I think it is very fair to say that all of us have been 'there'.
There being a place where the darkness out weighs the light and for some no positive way forward looks available.
If you really haven't been there maybe your time is coming with an incurable illness that inflicts great pain, or do you really think you will pass at 90 in your sleep having walked 5 miles the day before?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I supported and worked for the passage of I-1000 in my home state.
In any case, the poster I objected to either meant or modified that to just mean depression, and not thoughts of suicide.
Have I been depressed? Yeah, probably at times. Have I had thoughts of suicide? Nope. Nor has the vast majority of the population.
http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2k9/165/Suicide.htm
Cool to be empathetic. No worries there. Uncool to use over-broad blanket statements, or at least, in the manner it appeared to be used initially. Poster later clarified 'been there' to mean 'depressed', not 'suicidal'.
IDoMath
(404 posts)Studies have shown that there is a difference between men and women committing suicide. Men are more likely to use guns and be successful in their first attempts. Women are more likely to use less sure forms of suicide. The speculation is that women are more likely to make a "cry for help" in the form of a suicide attempt. Men are more likely to simply commit the act. (Please - I'm only reciting what I read somewhere. Whether it is right or wrong, sexist or not, I don't know.)
There are plenty of ways to commit suicide. Some are more certain than others. Guns, believe it or not, fall into both categories. Somehow, women manage to attempt suicide by gun and fail more often than men.
To me, this is a matter of motive, not opportunity. Without knowing more about his last days, I can't tell you when he actually made the decision to act.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)I don't know what studies you are talking about, but from my personal experience, the only person I personally know who committed suicide by gun was a women. She was a friend of mine's sister, back when we were in college. She had a bad breakup apparently, got depressed as all of us do at some point or another and killed herself with the family gun. There was no cry for help. Everyone was in shock.
I can't help but think if there hadn't been a gun in the house, she would not have acted on what may have been a fleeting impulse.
Statistics show you are five times more likely to commit suicide if you have a gun in the house.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)If you look at countries with high gun ownership, like Germany, even if they do not have significant outbreaks of gun violence they have much higher suicide rates than their neighbors who do not have high gun ownership. The only apparent variable is gun ownership.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I've never once in my life considered suicide. Not on my worst day.
But it is sad for people that do. It must be a terrible thing to feel that death is your best option.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)When you're depressed, you're not thinking straight. Some alcohol or drugs and a readily available gun can turn your "worst day" into your last day.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)to mean 'thoughts of suicide'. It sounds like you didn't mean it in that manner, given this post.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Didn't have the alcohol or the drugs but I did have the gun there. It was tempting.
rightsideout
(978 posts)I heard the stat is 5 or 7 but it's definitely increased if you have a gun.
I know this from a personal tragedy. My best friend in elementary and jr high took his own life with a gun his father kept in the house for protection.
I knew they had a gun and thought it would eventually be trouble because my friend's parents were strict disciplinarians. I met him while walking home from detention after elementary school. He cried the whole way home because his parents were going to beat him when they found out. During the years I knew him he was either on restriction or punished for little things other parents wouldn't punish a kid over. He was even spanked for something I did at their house. It was insane. He came to school with black and blue marks from his mother grabbing his arms. My parents even told his parents to chill out.
His family moved away in high school so we lost touch. I hadn't seen him in a couple years. One day he came by the house out of the blue for a visit. The passenger window in his car was smashed in. He said he had an altercation with another driver. Two weeks later I found out he had shot himself. At the funeral his father told me the lesson to learn from this was to stay out of trouble. I felt like slugging him in the face. My dad was so angry about it he refused to go to the funeral. We never heard the real details as to what happened and what he was really upset about. All I heard he was found in the house with gunshot wound to the head and it was self inflicted. He died a couple days later.
RVN VET
(492 posts)Abused kid -- very sad. I hope his parents come to see and admit their responsibility for the death of their son; and how they contributed to making life unbearable and so painful for him. It's the only way they can ever find forgiveness.
If there's a hell, it has a special place for people who drive their own children to despair.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)So sad.
Sanity Claws
(21,852 posts)New York City is hardly the easiest place in the country to live yet its suicide rate is only about one-half of the country's as a whole.
http://gothamist.com/2012/02/24/7_of_nyc_suicides_are_subway-relate.php
It is very difficult to get or own a gun in NYC and the percentage of gun-inflicted suicides in NYC is very low, just 12% compared to 51% nationally.
Yes, I agree with you. Restricting guns will lower the suicide rate.
marble falls
(57,204 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Exactly why.
plethoro
(594 posts)She did it with pills and booze. After years, I look at it realistically. Had my sister lived she would have bankrupted my mother and possibly all of us. The doctors she was seeing were HMO quality and approximate crap. Before she went bonkers, my sister used to convey to us the message that amost immediately after she told a doctor a pill was making her feel bad, the doctor would change it, and she could no longer stand the transitions. She finally couldn't take it and ended her life. For her, in her circumstance, it was the RIGHT thing to do, I now believe. In a country where medical doctors are getting poorer and poorer I can totally understand someone committing suicide. I hear about potential suicides from my diabetic website daily. I don't say as much as I used to. I offer alternatives; I say things will get better; I make specific suggestions about what might work... All these were the same things I was doing when I was working the SHN Suicide Hotline, which I stopped once WEBMD bought them. Less and less seems to work anymore. And a large part of that seems to be Quality of Life issues. The suicider seems to be saying "Can life get better if I DON"T commit suicide?" I still answer "Yes, it can." But I am not as convinced any longer that is probable. And maybe, God, or whatever comes next, may understand more given the way things are, and not hold a person's last decision against them.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)The medication is often way worse, for the person, than the condition. And no one can force them to take it. And talk therapy? No. It's a lot of times a way of keeping them in the family...yes, and alive. And the changing meds on a dime, effects times 10. It just plain fucks with their mind or reduces them to near catatonic behavior as they described Adam Lanza. The side effects read like a long list of nightmares, but absolutely no one knows how it will effect the mind. It's a guessing game in an unknown territory...an already mis-firing brain.
plethoro
(594 posts)in bed mumbling. Thanks for your post.
nightbloomer
(23 posts)Its not always guns. My soon to be ex husband hung himself this last September and his brother did the same thing 5 years ago. And my husband had a gun. Chose not to use that.
Hanging is very lethal too.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)Sorry for your loss.
Throd
(7,208 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Hanging causes the brain to shut off in sections and creates momentary loss of memory that causes the person to return to fight for survivial despite the most committed intent. That is why to be successful they need to be off their feet or unable to free themselves in some way.
Gun shots are, of course, much more difficult to reverse.
alp227
(32,052 posts)As much as I support gun control when it comes to suicide I've gotta be skeptical of the "if he didn't have a gun" arguments.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)They don't want to be a burden on others...often the reason for choice of methods. Even the slitting of wrists doesn't always do it, or someone comes in before it has concluded. Plus it involves other people and is in public. Most suicide victims are desperately alone in their inner darkness. Guns, like no other single method, will assure the outcome.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Blesssings to you.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)and he missed with the first shot and actually did a second a killed himself
and he had friends, but not at that moment
and they would have helped him
maybe one of them even if they knew how depressed he was, would have given him a duet hit single or something
maybe 1 hour more and he would have changed his mind
Great person who I knew but was not personal friends and not too closely, and it always bothered me that in his hour of need, he was alone and had a gun.
Guns and bullets kill.
Aristus
(66,462 posts)If the NRA doesn't care about little children, you'd at least think they'd care about the millionaires they watch on TV...