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BeyondGeography

(40,830 posts)
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 03:40 PM Aug 2025

Russia Demands Role in Guaranteeing Ukraine's Postwar Security

Source: NY Times

Russia’s top diplomat on Wednesday said the country would insist on being a part of any future security guarantees for Ukraine, a condition that European and Ukrainian officials widely see as absurd.

It was the clearest sign yet that enormous gaps remain in the negotiations over a possible end to Russia’s invasion. And it added to the uncertainty over how a European effort to rally a “coalition of the willing” to protect a postwar Ukraine, possibly with Western soldiers stationed inside the country, would fit into President Trump’s plans for a peace deal with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

“Seriously discussing issues of ensuring security without the Russian Federation is a utopia, a road to nowhere,” Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, told reporters in Moscow after a meeting with his Jordanian counterpart.

Kyiv’s supporters largely dismiss the idea that Russia could be a part of ensuring Ukraine’s future security, given that it launched its military intervention there in 2014 and its full-scale invasion in 2022. But Mr. Lavrov signaled that Mr. Putin had not budged from his insistence on having a decisive say over Ukraine’s future sovereignty as part of any peace deal.


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Russia Demands Role in Guaranteeing Ukraine's Postwar Security (Original Post) BeyondGeography Aug 2025 OP
The fox guarding the hen house, no way MacKasey Aug 2025 #1
Right, because they did such an excellent job last time they "supported" their sovereignty. Biophilic Aug 2025 #2
They'd might as well hand Ukraine to Putin on a silver platter. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2025 #3
Tsf is trying SheltieLover Aug 2025 #8
Jesus That's Laughable. GB_RN Aug 2025 #4
I don't think so. and I'm sure Zelensky and Europe agree. ananda Aug 2025 #5
Can the same Russians who Putin gave Viagra to so as to use rape as a weapon be part Botany Aug 2025 #6
And kidnapped at least 10,000 Ukranian children to Russia /nt progree Aug 2025 #13
I'd go with Quanto Magnus Aug 2025 #7
Putin wants to replicate Cold War divided Germany delisen Aug 2025 #9
How is this not a Borowitz headline?! Ffs Lucky Luciano Aug 2025 #10
I see Nobel Peace Prize medals flying away. sinkingfeeling Aug 2025 #11
NO FUCKING WAY! bluestarone Aug 2025 #12
Russia doesn't honor treaties that they sign. republianmushroom Aug 2025 #14
putin's... myohmy2 Aug 2025 #15
Rather steal a nickel Mopar151 Aug 2025 #16
Sorry, Neville Chamberlain is still dead! BidenRocks Aug 2025 #17
They already have a role - The Bad Guy SomewhereInTheMiddle Aug 2025 #18
Armed robber who robbed bank insists on being new security guard for bank Ray Bruns Aug 2025 #19

Biophilic

(6,414 posts)
2. Right, because they did such an excellent job last time they "supported" their sovereignty.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 03:45 PM
Aug 2025

That is just a joke and obviously the Russians are not serious about Ukraine's sovereignty.

greatauntoftriplets

(178,641 posts)
3. They'd might as well hand Ukraine to Putin on a silver platter.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 03:52 PM
Aug 2025

And how long before he demands a gold platter because the silver one wasn't good enough?

GB_RN

(3,513 posts)
4. Jesus That's Laughable.
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 03:56 PM
Aug 2025

One, Russia was already part of security guarantees as part of the agreement for Ukraine ditching its nuclear arsenal. Two, at this point, making that demand would be like the fox demanding a role in henhouse security.

Why can’t he and his puppet, Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent, just fuck off and die already?

Botany

(76,452 posts)
6. Can the same Russians who Putin gave Viagra to so as to use rape as a weapon be part
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 04:13 PM
Aug 2025

of the postwar security operations in Ukraine? The Russians raped tens of thousands of
Ukrainians and that included men, women, and children and in many cases the Russians
raped their victims in front of husbands, family members, and neighbors afterwards the
Russians shot the witnesses after they were done with their brutalities.

And now Putin wants a pass on these crimes and even having some of the Russian thugs
be part of some Ukrainian communities.

delisen

(7,234 posts)
9. Putin wants to replicate Cold War divided Germany
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 04:53 PM
Aug 2025

The authoritarian USSR menaced Europe for 50 year after the end of World War II.

Appeasing authoritarian killer Russian powermasters just doesn’t work .

myohmy2

(3,705 posts)
15. putin's...
Wed Aug 20, 2025, 10:56 PM
Aug 2025

...making a mockery out of trump and his efforts to throw Ukraine under the bus...

...if this wasn't happening for real at the highest governmental levels, I'd say it was all a joke...

...I've seen crappy movies with crappy scripts better than this...

...putin/trump...

...fascists...

18. They already have a role - The Bad Guy
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 04:37 AM
Aug 2025

They are the one everyone is trying to protect Ukraine from. It is a very important role. No one is worried about Malta invading Kiev. Without Russia's threat (and past performance) three would be no need for security guarantees.

So, they get what they want - an important role.

Ray Bruns

(5,998 posts)
19. Armed robber who robbed bank insists on being new security guard for bank
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 06:45 AM
Aug 2025

Can this get anymore ridiculous?

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