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ificandream

(11,705 posts)
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 02:29 PM Sep 2025

Live updates: Trump says he now believes Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia

Source: Associated Press

Edited By BRIDGET BROWN, BERNARD MCGHEE and CURTIS YEE
Updated 12:26 PM PDT, September 23, 2025

President Donald Trump said Tuesday that Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia, a dramatic shift from the U.S. leader’s call on Kyiv to make concessions.

Trump offered his position in a social media posting soon after meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly.

Trump in part wrote, “I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form. With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-9-23-2025

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Live updates: Trump says he now believes Ukraine can win back all territory lost to Russia (Original Post) ificandream Sep 2025 OP
The man drives me crazy....imagine what Europe thinks. walkingman Sep 2025 #1
Z has the Epstein files! Aviation Pro Sep 2025 #2
Didn't they make a rare earth minerals deal? I'm sure that is the driver. Lucky Luciano Sep 2025 #21
I think he may have told him that, if he changes course and supports Justice matters. Sep 2025 #25
LOL. He's between a rock and a hard place ... KPN Sep 2025 #31
Just wait until the sun goes down. That will change Raven123 Sep 2025 #3
exactly Raven..... democratsruletheday Sep 2025 #13
It's part of the gaslighting n/t AdamGG Sep 2025 #20
He didn't write that Deep State Witch Sep 2025 #4
And No CAPITAL Letters. electric_blue68 Sep 2025 #15
Boy, he really is upset with Vlad Bayard Sep 2025 #5
Trumps arm is pinned but he is still squealing . Nt BootinUp Sep 2025 #6
TACO...... SergeStorms Sep 2025 #7
...which means that he heard from european leaders that they are pushing against Russia even harder, and wiggs Sep 2025 #8
Think MSM will put together a case history of the times TSF has created chaos, demonstrated ignorance, changed wiggs Sep 2025 #9
it changes back and forth samsingh Sep 2025 #10
Huh? twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #11
OK, who wrote that? ananda Sep 2025 #12
Apparently the dementia Miguelito Loveless Sep 2025 #14
Is this before or after he ascends Mt. Everest? twodogsbarking Sep 2025 #16
Tankies are going crazy somsai Sep 2025 #17
This will PO the puppets master. republianmushroom Sep 2025 #18
He's a dangerous psycopath with no common sense mdbl Sep 2025 #19
Trump thought it was just him and Putin against Zelenskyy . . . Aussie105 Sep 2025 #22
TACO MissouriDem47 Sep 2025 #23
Less Here Than Meets The Eye DallasNE Sep 2025 #24
IMO, It all has to do with videos of him doing despicable things. Epstein Files? Putin Files? Both? He's desperate. usonian Sep 2025 #26
Changeable as a weathercock, he is. raccoon Sep 2025 #27
I notice there is nothing about American support. niyad Sep 2025 #28
"The original borders from where they were before the war began" means Russia gets Crimea and other Botany Sep 2025 #29
Fascist Demitted Old Nincompoop Emile Sep 2025 #30

Justice matters.

(9,444 posts)
25. I think he may have told him that, if he changes course and supports
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 12:47 AM
Sep 2025

Ukraine's winning back all it's original territories against the invader, terrorist, kidnapper Russia, he already has the commitment from all European leaders (except Orban) that they will recommend the Nobel committee to award him a Nobel Peace Prize. (Doesn't garantee he will get it.)

That's the only reason I can imagine and speculate it is. Z told him siding with a war criminal like Putin will never ever award him any Nobel prize

democratsruletheday

(1,813 posts)
13. exactly Raven.....
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 04:03 PM
Sep 2025

tomorrow he'll be back kissing Pooty's ass. Fucking rancid ass wipe that he is.

Bayard

(28,718 posts)
5. Boy, he really is upset with Vlad
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 02:43 PM
Sep 2025

Notice he says, with the financial support of EUROPE. But no--he didn't write that. It makes sense.

SergeStorms

(20,022 posts)
7. TACO......
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 02:58 PM
Sep 2025

that is, until Vlad showers King Kon's ego with compliments and/or money. Then Donnie will firmly affix his lips to Vlad's anus once again.

wiggs

(8,699 posts)
8. ...which means that he heard from european leaders that they are pushing against Russia even harder, and
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:04 PM
Sep 2025

backing Ukraine even harder. He sees the writing on the wall. He will jump in and claim credit, if this resolves.

TSF has no principles (except one).

wiggs

(8,699 posts)
9. Think MSM will put together a case history of the times TSF has created chaos, demonstrated ignorance, changed
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:10 PM
Sep 2025

course, or spouted undemocratic nonsense?

No...they will treat his statement as deserving of analysis and consideration of what it might mean, and have a panelist on who says the move is consistent with what he has said all along and that it reflects commitment to an ally and that it shows he stands heads and shoulders above all the leaders of the world.

And a rebuttal will just reinforce that there are two worthy sides to the Ukraine issue.

samsingh

(18,252 posts)
10. it changes back and forth
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 03:32 PM
Sep 2025

but maybe Ukraine can get weapons from the US through NATO to become secure

mdbl

(8,137 posts)
19. He's a dangerous psycopath with no common sense
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 08:08 PM
Sep 2025

Thanks Magats for putting someone like that in charge of our lives - assholes.

Aussie105

(7,661 posts)
22. Trump thought it was just him and Putin against Zelenskyy . . .
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 10:15 PM
Sep 2025

Trump hadn't figured other European nations might have something to say.

Trump then figured he'd back off - typical TACO!

DallasNE

(7,970 posts)
24. Less Here Than Meets The Eye
Tue Sep 23, 2025, 11:00 PM
Sep 2025

It looks to me like America is setting this one out, leaving everything up to Europe. No talk of supplying arms or logistical assistance. No additional sanctions on Russia. Not much to see here. Just some baby steps in tone that Trump could back away from the next time he speaks.

usonian

(23,676 posts)
26. IMO, It all has to do with videos of him doing despicable things. Epstein Files? Putin Files? Both? He's desperate.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 01:06 AM
Sep 2025
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20669297

I believe that if those videos are released, he'll be torn limb from limb.
Something that BOTH SIDES would gleefully do.

His actions since 2016 or before match that scenario perfectly.

The battle is escalating. The "Summit" did not resolve it. Putin raised the price.
And (may have) had a goon fire a warning shot.
to convey a message

This is crazy dangerous.

raccoon

(32,230 posts)
27. Changeable as a weathercock, he is.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 04:10 AM
Sep 2025

How could any international big shots rely on anything he says?

How could any international big shots anyone rely on anything he says?

Botany

(76,460 posts)
29. "The original borders from where they were before the war began" means Russia gets Crimea and other
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:52 AM
Sep 2025

… Ukrainian territories too including parts of eastern Ukraine that have some of Ukraine’s rare earth
strategic minerals. Trump is saying that the borders should be the “new ones” created in 2014 after
Russia took over Crimea and other parts of Ukraine. This is Trump telling Ukraine to surrender some of
its lands and people to Russia. Crimea should go back to its rightful owners the Crimean Tatars.

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