New drone has no pilot anywhere, so who's accountable? (Skynet now a reality)
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-auto-drone-20120126,0,740306.storyThe Navy is testing an autonomous plane that will land on an aircraft carrier. The prospect of heavily armed aircraft screaming through the skies without direct human control is unnerving to many.
The X-47B marks a paradigm shift in warfare, one that is likely to have far-reaching consequences. With the drone's ability to be flown autonomously by onboard computers, it could usher in an era when death and destruction can be dealt by machines operating semi-independently.
"Lethal actions should have a clear chain of accountability," said Noel Sharkey, a computer scientist and robotics expert. "This is difficult with a robot weapon. The robot cannot be held accountable. So is it the commander who used it? The politician who authorized it? The military's acquisition process? The manufacturer, for faulty equipment?"
The X-47B will not only land itself, but will also know what kind of weapons it is carrying, when and where it needs to refuel with an aerial tanker, and whether there's a nearby threat, said Carl Johnson, Northrop's X-47B program manager. "It will do its own math and decide what it should do next."
peacebird
(14,195 posts)marasinghe
(1,253 posts)i'll be waiting to see how these idiots explain it - when the drone calculates that the armaments on the carrier it's landing on, is a threat to itself; and decides to frag the ship.
xocet
(3,873 posts)onethatcares
(16,192 posts)when it comes to taking care of the citizens, we're always out of money.
our priorities are totally fucking skewed.
we should base our priorities on maslow's hierarchy of needs with the bottom 2 levels being provided for - for free to all citizens - by very high taxes on the rich, legalizing and heavily taxing recreational drugs, and ending the MIC as we know it. if only those in power gave a shit about us.. sigh...
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)asked ME or my sorry-assed congressman whether we wanted or needed this shit!
slay
(7,670 posts)that is fucked up. if i were an engineer i would refuse to be involved in anything like this.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Who's responsible for the action the code directs? With virtually any piece of software you buy, you take responsibility for the actions of the software when you sign most terms of agreement. At the end of the day, the person using the device will be "held responsible" for the actions of the drone. However, societies have given wide latitude to "collateral damage" in war. I don't suspect these drones will be treated any differently.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)poverlay
(2,397 posts)usrname
(398 posts)when this robot thinks the ship is 5 meters lower than it is.
Kablooey! Right into the stern of the ship.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,374 posts)This kind of miscalculation can (and does) happen with human pilots, and the pilot is usually the only casualty. Carriers are built to withstand this sort of mishap. Nothing a little grey paint can't fix.
If it's going to miscalculate, it might be a big one. Like not recognizing the carrier as "friendly", and launching it's missiles and bombs at it. That could get nasty.
hack89
(39,171 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_United_States_Navy_carrier_air_operations#Case_III
MADem
(135,425 posts)I remember when the Navy was fiddling with what we now call drones, way back in the late seventies, out in Bainbridge, and the USAF was openly derisive. Not just slightly snarky--they were downright rude assholes. The pilots were the biggest jerks. I find it amusing now, frankly, since they jumped so hard on the drone bandwagon and tried to push everyone else off.
I remember seeing something a few years earlier called, back then, the Bell Model 222, on a drawing board, that later, much later, with a lot of tweaking and changes, became the (still not very beloved) Osprey.
Anyway, that was a LONG time ago, when all this stuff was coming off the drawing board. There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. There will be adjustments.
The bottom line is this--I don't think we're the only ones thinking along these lines--it's hubris to think we are.
Bill O-Rights
(40 posts)go wrong
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tclambert
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Bill O-Rights
(40 posts)underpants
(182,945 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)take control of one of these and attack the homeland. This is ridiculous. I'm not opposed to a drone that can monitor and take action on things such as needing refueling but the actual act of refueling should be done under human direction. I can see a day when the refueling tanker needs to head back to base and the drone wants its fuel and it blows the tanker out of the air because the tanker won't stay to refuel.
underpants
(182,945 posts)okay someone has to pump the gas to start with....or do they?
Matilda
(6,384 posts)Who's to say there's no such thing as a rogue computer?
cstanleytech
(26,334 posts)government really.
Neue Regel
(221 posts)And then, when something inevitably goes wrong, the next cliche they trot out will be, "Who could have foreseen...?"
AdHocSolver
(2,561 posts)Having worked as a programmer for many years, I can attest to the fact that there is a lot of really BAD software being used.
That doesn't even account for the bad software that was finally abandoned in frustration.
There have been instances of "collateral damage" occurring when drones were controlled by pilots on the ground.
This idea is total madness.
Blackhatjack
(11,061 posts)Sounds like the equivalent of giving a child a gun, telling them to only shoot bad guys, and turning them loose to roam the neighborhood.
Overall a particularly bad idea.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)back in the eighties, I was a graveyard shift receptionist for a deluxe elder care condo organization.
The management had installed top of the line "security" for each of the housing units. I spent 40 % of my time tracing back erroneous signals, falsely put out by blips in the programming and the circuitry.
God or Goddess help us if the drones' computers operate as poorly as those things did.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)underpants
(182,945 posts)computer: X in the middle
Pilotless aircraft: BLAM!!!! Game over. I did the math and I have other things to BLAM!!
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)They've created a being weaponized to kill humans, essentially, a predator far more dangerous than any of the biological predators we've killed off in the biosphere for our own safety, and perhaps more intelligent. It has no interest in seeing human beings survive, nor morality about killing to restrain it.
The worldwide arms race now is going to push artificial intelligence further. This thing will evolve through human intermediaries more quickly than anything biological does.
The best thing that could happen is that this goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of our own people. The worst thing that could happen is in twenty or thirty years a bunch of more advanced drones can go on a rampage and kill about a billion people: Terminator Holocaust.
I'm hoping the current military cuts will kill off this thing. Our military, like our whole country, has lost its collective mind.
NBachers
(17,149 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Tripod
(854 posts)But when push comes to shove, Hasn't it been stupid ass humans that have created torture, war, and problems. It is our human nature, and isn't this human nature in a robotic way????, I don't see how it will ever end!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)accents and bad one liners. But in all seriousness
Phoonzang
(2,899 posts)Complain if you want, but this is the way things are going.