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alp227

(32,019 posts)
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:27 PM Feb 2012

Obama administration to move forward with closing Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac

The Obama administration plans to push forward this spring with efforts to wind down government-backed housing giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and attract more private funding to mortgage markets, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said Thursday.

Geithner told reporters that administration officials have begun more intensively exploring legislative options for overhauling the nation’s housing finance system with lawmakers on Capitol Hill, as well as with academics and outside advocacy groups.

Still, he said that concrete changes won’t come soon.

“It’s going to be a complicated process,” Geithner said. “We don’t expect to legislate this year.”

full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-to-move-forward-with-closing-fannie-mae-freddie-mac/2012/02/02/gIQAsl0XlQ_story.html

I'm reading the book Reckless Endangerment by New York Times journalist Gretchen Morgenson. It reveals much of the corruption of the FM's and how they intimidated congress.

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Obama administration to move forward with closing Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac (Original Post) alp227 Feb 2012 OP
..... attract more private funding to mortgage markets DJ13 Feb 2012 #1
That was my thought, too primavera Feb 2012 #8
So Obama has swallowed "The Big Lie", hook line and sinker? 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #2
no he has not (like you already know). Gretchen Morgensen became the darling of the Rush/Sean banned from Kos Feb 2012 #9
I'm not saying the FMs were without blame 99th_Monkey Feb 2012 #15
This is good news. I'm glad to see they are moving forward to close them both. IndyJones Feb 2012 #3
Exactly LostinRed Feb 2012 #4
Then reform them, not eliminate them. They are vital to the general well-being humblebum Feb 2012 #6
That is like trying to reform a child molester. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #12
Closing them and shoving all the business over to BOA and Wells Fargo quakerboy Feb 2012 #13
You have to start from scratch. They are down a trillion and HEMMORAGING Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #14
So then, would you eliminate the US Post Office, or the US Air Force if humblebum Feb 2012 #16
Apples and oranges. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #17
I think we're discussing the same process. nt humblebum Feb 2012 #18
What are the chances of that happening? quakerboy Feb 2012 #20
Agreed! nt AverageJoe90 Feb 2012 #19
They provide a vital function in the mortgage market creeksneakers2 Feb 2012 #5
Yes, once they close them, they'll be more easily able to hide hughee99 Feb 2012 #7
No one is hiding anything - they are down $160 billion combined banned from Kos Feb 2012 #10
They are down AT LEAST $160 billion with 1 trillion the "worst case" scenario hughee99 Feb 2012 #11

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
1. ..... attract more private funding to mortgage markets
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:30 PM
Feb 2012

Because it worked so well for student loans?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
2. So Obama has swallowed "The Big Lie", hook line and sinker?
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:41 PM
Feb 2012

This makes me want to cry. Seriously .. I used to work for non-profit building
affordable lease-to-own housing, and Fannie Mae was one of the most helpful
resources in the entire field.

Here's what's really going on, and why blaming Fannie and Freddie for the crisis
total BS.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/24/opinion/nocera-the-big-lie.html

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
9. no he has not (like you already know). Gretchen Morgensen became the darling of the Rush/Sean
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:53 PM
Feb 2012

LIAR crowd after her book hit last year.

She is another Judith Miller.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
15. I'm not saying the FMs were without blame
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:22 PM
Feb 2012

but trying to hang all the blame on them, while ignoring the Fed, SEC Goldman, et. al. is ludicrous (like you already know).

LostinRed

(840 posts)
4. Exactly
Fri Feb 3, 2012, 05:52 AM
Feb 2012

There was a story on NPR that Freddie was purposely not refinancing mortgages. Theyve become corrupt organizations. They need to be replaced not privatized.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
13. Closing them and shoving all the business over to BOA and Wells Fargo
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 07:06 PM
Feb 2012

would be like firing a teacher that took a bribe from a student so that you can hire a known child molester with a penchant for mass murder.

Not an improvement, unless there is a plan in place to replace them with something other than purely private money dominance.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
14. You have to start from scratch. They are down a trillion and HEMMORAGING
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 07:31 PM
Feb 2012

money. Get rid of the bad assets any way you can and then start an entirely new agency with new policies, and under new management.

 

humblebum

(5,881 posts)
16. So then, would you eliminate the US Post Office, or the US Air Force if
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:38 PM
Feb 2012

they needed a major overhaul? No you would not. The agencies need to be reformed, not eliminated. Far too damaging to the economy, and too important. Giving it all over to private interests will cement the gap between rich and poor and kill any hope for a middle class.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
17. Apples and oranges.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 08:51 PM
Feb 2012

Fannie was not designed to service loans. Most Fannie loans are handled by private servicers already. That's why you might get a Fannie loan, but be making your payment to Wells Fargo. All Fannie does at that point is hold the risk.

You could sell off all that risk, and start a brand new agency tomorrow that would be in charge of new loan programs.

It's kind of like going to your favorite bar where two partners own it. You drink there every night, but one partner decides that he just doesn't make a good bar owner so he sells his portion to the other guy. You keep drinking there, and are never aware of any of this. The guy who left is free to enter into new partnerships though.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
20. What are the chances of that happening?
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:38 PM
Feb 2012

What are the chances we walk away with 60+ in the senate? And if we do not, what are the chances the R's would even consider a discussion of not immediately filibustering any program that does not involve massive corruption and waste?

I think you have it backward. Start a new agency, and phase out the old setup. Ending one program on the bare hope of starting a new one someday, maybe, but handing even more power to the financial industry in the now is foolhardy.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
5. They provide a vital function in the mortgage market
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:22 AM
Feb 2012

They guarantee banks get paid. Without Fannie and Freddie, there would be far fewer mortgages granted. Another bang to the housing market could set off another recession.

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
10. No one is hiding anything - they are down $160 billion combined
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

disgraceful.

But we still need a public mortgage market based on CONFORMING loans with high FICO scores.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
11. They are down AT LEAST $160 billion with 1 trillion the "worst case" scenario
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 05:49 PM
Feb 2012

And frankly, I don't buy that $1T is really the worst case.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-13/fannie-freddie-fix-expands-to-160-billion-with-worst-case-at-1-trillion.html

They'll close Fannie and Freddie and open some new "Frankie" or whatever, but all the Fannie and Freddie paperwork goes to some warehouse to sit next the Ark of the Covenant for the next 50 years.

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