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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:37 PM Mar 2013

Congress hears options for asteroid defense: Pay now or pray later

Source: NBC News

Congress got the word from NASA on Tuesday about its options for dealing with the threats posed by asteroids and comets: Lawmakers can either provide adequate funding for detecting and characterizing near-Earth objects, and diverting them if necessary — or they can pray.

Threats from space are generally the stuff of science-fiction movies such as "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact," but members of the House Science Committee took a hard look at the realities during Tuesday's hearing, which came in response to the Feb. 15 meteor explosion over Russia as well as a close encounter that same day with a much bigger asteroid known as 2012 DA14.

The lawmakers didn't always like what they heard. The committee's chairman, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, told the panelists more than once that the progress report they delivered was "not reassuring." But representatives from both parties were receptive to the idea of putting more resources into the effort to counter cosmic threats.

White House science adviser John Holdren noted that the funding devoted annually to cataloging potentially threatening asteroids has risen from $5 million to more than $20 million over the past couple of years. But even at that level, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden estimated that it would take until 2030 to catalog 90 percent of the near-Earth objects between 140 meters and 1 kilometer in width, as mandated by Congress.

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Read more: http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17373781-congress-hears-options-for-asteroid-defense-pay-now-or-pray-later?lite



There's another hearing Wednesday.
Links to the webcasts are at http://nasawatch.com/archives/2013/03/asteroid-threat.html
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Congress hears options for asteroid defense: Pay now or pray later (Original Post) bananas Mar 2013 OP
Headline: Congress Loses Faith in Power of Prayer. nt valerief Mar 2013 #1
I think climate change will get us before an asteroid Auggie Mar 2013 #2
Rep.Alexander "not reassuring" Well no shit. What's NASA going to tell you? They have Bruce Willis.. DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #3
This may be cynical as hell, but does anyone think this might have to do with funding projects bloomington-lib Mar 2013 #4
Not really, no. Moving mining off-world is one of the best things we could do for the environment. DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #5
As a backup plan, we might consider trying to make this planet last maxsolomon Mar 2013 #6
You don't realize how hostile the universe is towards life, do you? We're not safe... DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #8
Actually no, that isn't "the single most stupid thing we could do" ... Nihil Mar 2013 #11
Your small picture linear thinking will help the short-sighted capitalist thinking in dooming us all DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #13
I give you the last 12 years. Nihil Mar 2013 #16
It's happening, whether people like it or not. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #17
Heh. We've danced this dance here before, haven't we my friend? :) DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #20
Think so. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #22
100 million years! I thought we had billions of years! bananas Mar 2013 #24
We would need stringent health and safety requirements for miners who are sent to mine asteroids nt Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #7
Indeed, but you can count on corporations applying the same Earth-bound dirty tricks in space. nt DRoseDARs Mar 2013 #9
Like it or not, the rules don't apply out there. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #18
Damn ... Nihil Mar 2013 #10
My stomach churns with this thought... lbrtbell Mar 2013 #12
Nasa is one big black hole magic59 Mar 2013 #14
Are you serious? neverforget Mar 2013 #15
Oh FFS. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #19
Unlike the shining beacon of humanity's scientific progress, the Pentagon Celefin Mar 2013 #21
Tell us what NASA's budget is without resorting to Google. (nt) Posteritatis Mar 2013 #23
 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
3. Rep.Alexander "not reassuring" Well no shit. What's NASA going to tell you? They have Bruce Willis..
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:18 PM
Mar 2013

...on speed dial? My god Lamar is an idiot.

bloomington-lib

(946 posts)
4. This may be cynical as hell, but does anyone think this might have to do with funding projects
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:33 PM
Mar 2013

aimed at mining asteroids? Basically setting up the infrastructure, and then turning it over to private companies to profit from the research paid for by taxpayers?

I do believe we should know what's coming at us and how we could protect ourselves, but a part of me believes many motives are created by greed disguised as humanitarian.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
5. Not really, no. Moving mining off-world is one of the best things we could do for the environment.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:46 PM
Mar 2013

The government doesn't mine anyway, and private enterprise is already working on developing and deploying fleets of small observer probes whose primary purpose would be to look for promising mining candidates, but they could also serve as a watch net for potential threats until a proper system is set up.

Life dies if it stays in one place. Human endeavour should be to spread life as far as we can as fast as we can. We've only just started this process and it is far too easy to end it abruptly.

maxsolomon

(33,341 posts)
6. As a backup plan, we might consider trying to make this planet last
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:18 PM
Mar 2013

for the next 6 billion years.

Just in case...

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
8. You don't realize how hostile the universe is towards life, do you? We're not safe...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:45 PM
Mar 2013

...no matter how many trees we hug. Remaining here is the single most stupid thing we could do, and there are a lot of stupid and avoidable ways to die as a species. And due to solar evolution, our current understanding is such that the Earth's biosphere most certainly does NOT have 6 billion years (aside, I think you mean 5 billion - we're roughly halfway through Sol's lifespan). It has maybe another 100 million years before the amount of incoming solar radiation is too much to effectively handle by higher-order lifeforms. Without significant technological intervention well-beyond our currents means, the deep future on Earth belongs to bacteria and fungi.

Hence the need to start taking these first steps towards spreading our civilization off-world.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
11. Actually no, that isn't "the single most stupid thing we could do" ...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:55 PM
Mar 2013

> Remaining here is the single most stupid thing we could do,

The single most stupid thing we could do is to continue to repeat what we have
been doing over the last couple of decades: increasing our consumption of fossil
resources (not just coal, oil & gas but also water), increasing our consumer-oriented
societies (global) and increasing our wilful dismissal of the scientific warnings
of the emerging situation.

Fuck the "move into space" dreams - get focussed on "surviving long enough
to move into space" ...

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
13. Your small picture linear thinking will help the short-sighted capitalist thinking in dooming us all
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

And as if we can't address more than one issue at a time. Please.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
16. I give you the last 12 years.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:56 PM
Mar 2013

You have successfully proved that you *can't* address more than one (trivial) issue at a time.

QED

Fuck. You haven't even managed to move beyond single-party politics ...

(PS: If you think that my thinking is somehow supporting "capitalists" then you are pretty damn ignorant)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. It's happening, whether people like it or not.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:28 AM
Mar 2013

There's no point in debating people who "don't see the point". Enough people do, and that's what moves humanity forward.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
20. Heh. We've danced this dance here before, haven't we my friend? :)
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:08 AM
Mar 2013

Thanks for reminding me. I just hope we aren't too late. So much time and opportunity squandered in the second half of the last century, so much could go very wrong making this our final century. We're so close to ensuring our survival and yet simultaneously so close to ensuring our extinction. It is suicidal insanity to stop progressing upward and outward...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
22. Think so.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:14 AM
Mar 2013

I just look around; I know from certain traditional space exploration standpoints, it seems like we've been in limbo for 40 years... still, the difference in distance between LEO and the moon, is huge. Between the Moon and Mars, even more exponentially huge.

And yet, here we are, we've discovered something like 700 exoplanets, we have sent spacecraft to every real planet in the Solar System (sorry Pluto, but you're still next, at least after Ceres- which I am actually pretty curious to see) our knowledge of the universe is growing by leaps and bounds and the visionaries are doing what we sci-fi nerds always dreamed the visionaries would do.. I look at a guy like Elon Musk and I think, wow.

I think it's a VERY cool time to be alive.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
24. 100 million years! I thought we had billions of years!
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:47 AM
Mar 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_the_Earth

Climate impact

With the increased surface area of the Sun, the amount of energy emitted will increase. ...

Within the next 600 million years from the present, the concentration of CO2 will fall below the critical threshold needed to sustain C3 photosynthesis: about 50 parts per million. At this point, trees and forests in their current forms will no longer be able to survive.[69]

... multi-cellular lifeforms may be extinct in about 800 million years, and eukaryotes in 1.3 billion years from now, leaving only the prokaryotes.[78]


Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
7. We would need stringent health and safety requirements for miners who are sent to mine asteroids nt
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:28 PM
Mar 2013
 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
9. Indeed, but you can count on corporations applying the same Earth-bound dirty tricks in space. nt
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:47 PM
Mar 2013

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. Like it or not, the rules don't apply out there.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:29 AM
Mar 2013

The people who get there, particularly the ones who stay there, will make their own damn rules.

Powerful motivator for the people who want to see it done right.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
10. Damn ...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:50 PM
Mar 2013

.. given a choice of "Pay now or pray later" which do you really think that the
current crop of brain-dead sell-outs would choose "Pay now"?

Way to fuck up your funding proposal guys ...

lbrtbell

(2,389 posts)
12. My stomach churns with this thought...
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:03 PM
Mar 2013

...but could this mean that Ronald Ray-gun was right about *one* thing while he was President? The so-called "Star Wars" plan?

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. Oh FFS.
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:31 AM
Mar 2013

We have learned more about the universe we live in in the last 20 years than all of human history combined up to that point. Whether or not you realize that, it's a fact. And a large amount of that knowledge has come from the fucking pittance NASA gets.

Knowledge is NEVER a bad investment, or a bad bet.

Celefin

(532 posts)
21. Unlike the shining beacon of humanity's scientific progress, the Pentagon
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:10 AM
Mar 2013

How many times would NASA's budget fit into the MOD's?

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