Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): Obama Should Treat Suspect As ‘Enemy Combatant’
Source: TPM
BENJY SARLIN 4:42 PM EDT, FRIDAY APRIL 19, 2013
Little is known about suspected Boston bomber Dzokhar Tsarnaev's motives in the marathon attack, but Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) already is calling on the Obama administration to label him an "enemy combatant," a status generally applied to suspected terrorists with ties to Al Qaeda or the Taliban that would give him significantly fewer rights. Tsarnaev is a US citizen.
Lindsey Graham ✔ @GrahamBlog
If captured, I hope Administration will at least consider holding the Boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes.
4:33 PM - 19 Apr 2013
Read more: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sen-lindsey-graham-r-sc-obama-should-treat
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)who would have felt warm and cozy in Hitler's shadow.
pscot
(21,024 posts)He's a little colonel, he is.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,818 posts)I bet that obnoxious twerp can't wait to find some more folks to waterboard.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Ship him off to Git-mo or render him to Egypt. Waterboard him and torture him. That's what they're thinking.
Boy the lizard brain in people is strong today.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)He's on US soil, I should add. If not, then we'll have to see how he's classified.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,818 posts)And in that case he's entitled to a regular civilian trial in a regular court, with a lawyer and a jury and all that other wussy liberal stuff Lindsey doesn't approve of.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)I don't think either of them were denied due process.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,818 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)a list of rights for US citizens (unless something is explicity mentioned to be pertaining to citizens).
Example, Fifth Amendment:
Note that these are restrictions on how the government operates (passive voice: "no person shall be " , not a list of positive rights (active voice: "people are entitled to " . Also note it refers to "people" not "citizens". It limits how the government treats anyone in its custody, citizen or not.
(However, the laws are different for people catured on the battlefield, because the constitution allows Congress to "make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water", hence why -actual- POWs may be held until the end of a war, and people captured in Iraq/Afghanistan may be tried in military tribunals. Not that there hasn't been abuses there.)
Long story short, the Constitution limits the government and it applies to its actions towards ANYONE unless specifically mentioned.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)pissing over the Constitution.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)does Senator Graham.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)They weren't happy with labeling foreigners with the made up label, now they want to label anyone they don't like with it so they can piss on the Constitution some more.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)This was a criminal act by criminals ....
If this were an act of war, who are we gonna fight? ....
Massachusetts?
Dan Ken
(149 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)Despite the fact that 15 out of the 19 hijackers* on 9/11 were Saudis who learned to fly in the US, under repukes, we unleashed Shock & Awe on Iraq, not Saudi Arabia or Florida
* the other 4 were from Yemen, Egypt and UAE... not an Iraqi among them!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)And should be treated as such.
Graham is an idiot.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)Cuz thats what it sounds like.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)why the fuck not?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Graham gets a FAIL.
If he ran things, we would be bombing Chechnya right now.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)STFU, Graham.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)I live in SC and some here refer to him "light in his loafers" Lindsey
Hosnon
(7,800 posts)rights to people because they're really, really, really, really, bad.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,818 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)If the Boston guy survives, he should be prosecuted and the evidence against him proven. We can't start choosing which Americans are worthy of Constitutional protections and which aren't.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Let them catch the man first. Nag the president, nag, nag,nag.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
timdog44
(1,388 posts)is an idiot. He is the one who should be treated as an enemy combatant.
auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)Was Timothy McVeigh treated as an enemy combatant?
JI7
(89,262 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)The suspect is a US citizen on US soil.
1) If Obama treats him as an enemy combatant, then Graham will accuse Obama of violating the constitution.
2) If Obama treats him as a US citizen, then Graham will accuse Obama of not taking The Long War (perpetual war) seriously.
Graham is trying to create a Catch-22.
dhill926
(16,351 posts)so very, very tired of this dickhead.....
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Sick puppy.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Dzhokhar Tsarnaev got a green card in 2007, and became a naturalized United States citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, officials said. Tamerlan was denied citizenship after he was involved in a domestic-violence episode, his father said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?_r=0
GOPers can't ever decide which Americans should and should not have rights.
So Graham wants the US government to torture an American citizen?
alp227
(32,047 posts)So I say that the answer is YES with a helping of INDEFINITE DETENTION as well.
midnight
(26,624 posts)they link you to a crime they can do what they want per the NDAA...
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Like it or not, that man is an American citizen and entitled to all the legal protections our Constitution guarantees. Our laws and civil right protections are what supposedly makes us a BETTER country then "them", remember asshat????
lastlib
(23,268 posts)Make him confess to being an idiot tool.....
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Gawd I hate this guy.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)That shit really sells!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)makes Graham's little willie tingle.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)During the Cold War the idea (first advanced by Wilhelm Gesenius in the mid-1800s) that Russia itself had the role of Gog gained popularity (since Ezekiel's words describing him as "prince of Meshek" - rosh meshek in Hebrew - sounded suspiciously like Russia and Moscow).[8] This interpretation has been taken up by several Christian authors and preachers since then (such as Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth; Grant R. Jeffrey's Armageddon: Appointment with Destiny; M. R. De Haan's The Signs of the Times; Tim LaHaye's Are We Living in the End Times?).
The popularity of this theory during the Cold War can be seen in that it was openly advocated in 1971 by the then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan. During a dinner address to state legislators Reagan said "Ezekiel tells us that Gog, the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didnt seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become Communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly."[44]
With the closing of the Cold War, some Christian thinkers who accepted this interpretation altered it after the fall of the Soviet Union (such as Pat Robertson who advocated it in his 1982 book The Secret Kingdom, but in 1992 suggested Gog was "Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Azerbaijan" .[45] Other Christian thinkers do not consider the fall of communism to have any relevance in maintaining their interpretation that Russia is Gog (such as Chuck Missler in his book Magog Invasion).
The biblical interpretation that Russia is Gog, is one that some Russians believe themselves according to historian Christopher Marsh. He writes "Russians and Ukrainians, [are] two peoples with a long history of looking to the Bible for clues to their past and future. At least as far back as the Primary Chronicle, the Rus' looked to scripture for such clues and found them from Genesis to Revelations. They were the descendants of Noah's third son, Japheth, giving themselves direct lineage to the diluvian period, and they were of the tribe of Magog (or Gog), in the land of Rosh. The implications of such identity as expressed in Revelations, where the Gog and Magog were both thrown out of heaven, apparently didn't matter to those drawing these lines. Ancestors were found in the Bible, and that was enough."[46]
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The Shrub tossed Gog and Magog into his sell for the Iraq War:
According to U.S. media reports, in the prelude to the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac that biblical prophecies were being fulfilled there and that "Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East." Bush said Gog and Magog would come from modern-day Iraq, and it was important to try and stop that.[47][48]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog_and_Magog
The world doesn't need any of the End Time scam that Lindsey, Beck, Jones and the media sell. Please, you guys just go play with yourself in a corner. We can't afford to indulge your crazy anymore.
Dan Ken
(149 posts)I sort of like that idea.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)Republicans want him dead so he can't speak and his history won't be well analyzed. Declaring him an enemy combatant and stripping him of his citizenship rights will greatly encourage his death.
Then they will be more able to demonize foreigners, especially non-Western European foreigners and most especially all muslims. If he can talk, he might interrupt their narrative.
It allows them to invent all kinds of theories, especially theories about failures by the Obama administration.
Facts get in the way of the Republican agenda, which includes permanent war so that the military-industrial complex can get corporate welfare.
It is bad enough that the cops are circulating Suspect 1's morque photo illicitly by emails. That only encourages them to shoot to kill. The suspect(s) is (are) more useful alive than dead to the US public, but more useful dead than alive to the Republicans.
lupulin
(58 posts)There must be a lot I don't understand about the law...
What purpose would that serve? He's already a citizen and committed his terrorist act on us soil. There are presumably no intelligence sources or techniques to protect. I'm missing something.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)broadcaster75201
(387 posts)I am sick to DEATH of these pussy GOPers who hide behind their guns and their fear and have NO faith in our system. They would call for martial law in a moment.
They are cowards, they are vermin and I am sick to death of them. And if you sat out 2010 because you pitched a fit because you didn't get what you wanted in Obama (God knows I didn't but vted) then to Hell with you.
This Nation reeks of cowardice and ignorance and it belongs at the feet of the TeaBags.
Progressive dog
(6,917 posts)NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)When it comes to you freaks and the 2nd Amendment. 200 Rounds he blew off linda while you and your sick brethren in the senate can't do a damn thing to get war weapons off the street. Put on your big girl pants Linda and use this terrorist incident to get the guns off the street and away from the terrorists!
MsPithy
(809 posts)It is called justice. It helps the victims heal. It gives the community peace.
And, Lindsey is a mediawhore idiot asshole.
Botany
(70,561 posts)... crimes took place. Miss Graham should not be speaking about matters that
are none of his business.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)You use the Constitution like toilet paper, so with all due respect (which is NONE actually), in the words of Dick Cheney, go fuck yourself.
Wednesdays
(17,402 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)lindsey really needs to go to speech therapy..........
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)he needs to be tried openly... here.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)JudyM
(29,265 posts)Red Mountain
(1,737 posts)But somebody needs to follow up with the question.....'what enemy?'
Islam?
I'm not understanding what he sees threatening our nation.
Specifically.
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)people vote for this worm ?
Puzzler
(2,505 posts)I dunno... but it seems to me that they know what they're doing.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Are you suggesting we use "enhanced interrogation techniques" and deny him due process.
Not on your life. These crimes were committed on American soil by an American citizen. This is a law enforcement matter that may involve enticement and support by others.
But there is no reason to consider this anything else, with respect to the suspect, anything other than a series of crimes.
Our justice system can handle this. This man deserves a fair and just trial according to our civil justice system.
We don't need your torture Mr. Graham. Be gone!!!
MurrayDelph
(5,300 posts)should remind this little shitstain pretending to be a Senator that when he raised his hand and was asked to affirm his promise to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, he answered "I do" and not "Yippee ki yay, motherfucker!"
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)GoldenOldie
(1,540 posts)This terrorist has to be judged in a civilian court with civilian jurors and not a group of political hacks who will use it for self seving purposes.
elias7
(4,026 posts)What if the clock were ticking on additional bombings? Should we be assuming it is over?
24601
(3,962 posts)At this point, collecting the intelligence is the most pressing need. After that process, a "clean team" untainted by any information received by the intelligence process can advise him of his rights and interrogate him for admissible information.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)I am sick of that little self righteous prick.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)Instead of trying to take him alive. Enemy combatants get killed when they don't surrender.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Will use Public Safety rule,will last 48 hours, then Miranda must be used.
Boomerproud
(7,963 posts)If I were Obama, I would laugh in his face.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)GET YOUR GUNS, AND SPEND MONEY YOU DON'T HAVE! BECAUSE THE WAR MACHINE NEEDS MORE MONEY!!!