NRA's LaPierre: "We Will Never Surrender Our Guns"

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Source: NBC

In a fiery speech Saturday before cheering supporters, the National Rifle Association's Wayne LaPierre took on advocates for new gun laws and said a national background check bill “got the defeat that it deserved."

“We will never surrender our guns, never,” LaPierre, the organization's executive vice president, said on the second day of the gun-rights group’s convention in Houston, Texas.

He argued that recent mass shootings, including the killing of 26 people at a Connecticut elementary school in December, have been used “to blame us, to shame us, to compromise our freedom for their agenda.”

The gun rights lobby’s convention was part victory celebration, part pep rally as the NRA’s leaders cheered the defeat of a background check bill and said they would oppose any new attempts to pass national legislation on guns.

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[graham4anything]

1. More and more every day he sounds like the people at Waco.

[timdog44]

2. These guys

are just totally unreasonable and paranoid to the max. No way are guns going to be denied in the USA. Reasonable prohibitions are called for and registration and background checks are sensible and serve to protect gun owners and non gun owners alike.

[davidn3600]

7. Would you agree to not persue further legislation every time we have a shooting?

That's their concern. They think if gun control is passed right here and now, that you will simply demand more when another shooting occurs. And eventually the debate will turn to banning and confiscation. No one is saying that now of course...but in the future.

People are not stupid. They know how the government works. Every time there is a tragedy there is the knee-jerk reaction to pass a law. It's a golden opportunity for our politicians to grandstand. And that's how our civil liberties end up disappearing. Patriot Act is a perfect example of this. And now we have accepted that law as the new normal.

That's why they oppose every gun control measure, sensible or not.

[timdog44]

12. First of all,

if there are reasonable laws on the books, a lot of these insane shootings would not happen. There is no guarantee that Sandy Hook would not occur. But if shootings in general are reduced it is a plus. Knee jerk laws don't always get passed. Especially if they are laws that would protect the common man. The paranoia pushing of the NRA and others has stopped any law passage occurring.

Secondly, the grandstanding has been anti gun law. And any time there is a tragedy, it is a time to reflect on what we can do better. But the insane attitude of the gun crowd just gets worse and worse.

Thirdly, our civil liberties are disappearing because of foolish right wing posturing. Voting laws. Women's right to choose. And many more.

Fourthly, your initial question is a clever way to ask for a lose/lose answer.

[billh58]

14. A very eloquent defense

of the NRA and its death merchant, Wayne LaPierre. Your statement that "people are not stupid" does not apply to the "cold dead hands" NRA extremists who Mr. LaPierre is speaking for -- they are indeed stupid and ignorant at the same time. Most reasonable American gun owners are NOT NRA members, and do NOT agree with LaPierre. Most reasonable Americans, including gun owners, support more stringent gun regulation and control.

The smoke and mirrors attempts by the anti-American NRA and its Congressional bag men to insinuate that they represent ALL gun owners is bullshit -- they do NOT. The NRA represents right-wing sponsors like the Koch Brothers and gun manufacturers, and uses their donations to purchase the best Congress money can buy.

The tide is turning, and the American people are waking up to the greed and corruption masquerading as (and hiding behind) "Second Amendment rights." There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Second Amendment that a little honesty, sunlight, and regulation can't fix.

[tblue]

42. Stupid, crazy, dangerous

and if you're all that, you really shouldn't be allowed within 10 feet of a gun.

Eta: I am not talking about You, billh58! No sweetie. I mean the NRA and the people who support what they want, whether they are members or Democrats or whatever.

[horsedoc]

15. WTF?

You have got to be f'ing kidding me.

20 CHILDREN were slaughtered in 5 minutes and the American public screaming for sensible gun control is a knee-jerk reaction????

The NRA is dying and can only pander to the extreme lunatic fringe in this country. No one is proposing we take away everyones precious firearms, the VAST majority wants tighter gun control measures. I own guns too and I see no problem with tighter restrictions.

[davidn3600]

17. And that Senate bill would have not done a damn thing about it!

That bill would not have stopped Adam Lanza. Period.

He got those guns from his mother, who would pass every background check.

[horsedoc]

22. That is why...

We need even stricter gun laws, BAN assault weapons, BAN high capacity magazines, and we are talking about the next Adam Lanza. If anything you proved my point that we need even tighter measures than what we have now! It is only a matter of time until the next lunatic slaughters more children and more people. Yet the NRA and those who align with them have blood on their hands.

[timdog44]

32. And you are

a psychiatrist to know the mother was not insane, mentally disturbed, or just bat shit crazy. All the guns she had laying around for her crazy son to get his hands on. That is a good mother.

[hatrack]

16. Yes they are stupid - at least a substantial minority

What other reasons than paranoia and ignorance could produce 1-year backlogs in AR-15 sales, and sales so brisk they've induced ammunition shortages on a nationwide basis?

What other other reasons than paranoia and ignorance could induce people to believe that a massive government database will contain the names of every gun purchaser when (A) the proposed background check bill would have excluded current gun owners and (B) explicitly forbade the creation of any such database?

What other reasons than paranoia and ignorance could produced five years and counting of hysterical screeching on every imaginable broadcast spectrum and website that that evil, evil Obama's going to take away our guns when no such idea has ever been proposed, let alone advanced?

Armed rebellion? Against WHO? For WHAT REASON?

Jesus Christ.

[neverforget]

19. And everytime there is a shooting, the NRA says we need more guns or

a good guy with a gun would've stopped the bad guy with a gun. For God's sake, we are in an arms race in the US and the only winners are the gun manufacturers. More guns and look and where it's got us?

[sulphurdunn]

36. Perhaps you could explain

how, under any scenario, the US government would go about confiscating 270 million privately owned and mostly unregistered firearms, considering no one has even suggested doing such a thing, and the only ones worrying about it are people like you? While you're at it, maybe you would explain exactly how you would use a private weapon to defend your liberties against the worlds most powerful nation state? Considering the number of enthusiasts who accidentally shoot themselves playing with guns at gun shows, that is a concern. From what I've seem, most of the gun show types would be better able to defend their liberties by losing 25 pounds, taking up a martial art and learning to read.

[billh58]

41. Thank you!

Well said...

[markpkessinger]

43. There's a reason why, in formal argument, the "slippery slope" is regarded as a logical fallacy n/t

[Blue_Tires]

46. Let me guess: You're against any "knee jerk legislation"

In Bangladesh too, right? Because politicians gotta grandstand over that one little isolated incident since they have a hard-on for punishing "law abiding" businesses...

[Blue_Tires]

57. Oh, just so you know....

The updated death count in the Rana Plaza collapse is 675

[Iliyah]

3. Saber rattling thats all.

Create a atmosphere of fright that the government is out to kill you which scares the already insane into more madness and you have an endless sale of firearms and other weapons for an indefinite period. On the other side of the coin you have the sane also purchasing firearms and other weapons because they are afraid of the crazies who could be their neighbor.

Win win for the NRA and weapons manufacturers.

[Gregorian]

4. We feel so weak without our GUNS.

Guns give us the power our brains lack.

[hrmjustin]

5. The NRA have surrendered their brains.

[Life Long Dem]

6. "They are trying to take our guns away".

Not allowing a crazy to have a gun in the first place is not taking a crazies gun away. It's preventing the crazy from having the gun in the first place. I think 94% percent know this and said they want this. Ding ding ding... round 2 yet?

[Amonester]

9. 94 percent is not enough...

nor would 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999 percent.

No.

Nothing less than absolute, wall-to-wall 100 percent would, and I'm not even sure about that!

They.Don't.Care.

[liberal N proud]

8. All this hype about taking guns away was generated by the NRA

and the gun industry as a marketing scheme. Very successful one at that.

Now they have to step up the hype to keep the sales going.

[Lobo27]

10. Same idiots that want to start a revolution...

Just tell me what are your guns gonna do against tanks. Destroyer ships. F15s. Highly trained soldiers. These guys just don't think, literally they are like one celled organism that only have one function.

[DallasNE]

11. What Is He Talking About

He throws up a straw man and then attacks that straw man. Same as Sen. Kelly Ayotte when she said she voted to filibuster background checks because she feared that they would lead to a registry even though the law made it a felony to attempt to start a registry. Endless straw man arguments is all they ever have. Well that straw man has had all of the stuffing's beaten out of him by now.

[Triana]

13. Who the hell ever asked them to?

Oh that's right -- NOBODY.

What a bunch of paranoid delusional jackasses.

[SoapBox]

18. ...sicko freaks.

These weirdos need some serious mental help.

[underpants]

20. Wayne, you don't really know how tough those unicorn riding leprechauns can be

so let's see how your little weird fantasy works out before you say never

[defacto7]

21. Did he say something about

cold dead hands? Yawn.... no, I thought I heard that somewhere though.

[kestrel91316]

23. Nobody is asking OR telling you to, you asswipe.

[kestrel91316]

24. In the alternative I have a modest proposal, then:

the death penalty for ALL crimes involving guns, no matter how minor and regardless of whether or not anyone suffered physical harm.

There ya go. No law abiding gun owner will EVER get their guns snatched. Criminals get executed by the thousands. Society gets cleared of its criminals. The NRA should be 100% behind this, one would think.

[Faygo Kid]

25. They are the Koch/Rove favorites

Guns, guns, guns. Keeps the rubes whose jobs and retirements the Kochs and Rove want to get their hands on distracted.

[Kolesar]

39. "Wedge issues" -- Notice that the GOPs are on the defensive about everything

They have no agenda and they have no message. What are they going to run on in 2014: hating President Obama?

[Sunlei]

26. what about a background check for ALL gun sales, Mr. NRA? afraid that will hurt your gun sales?

[DallasNE]

31. One Wonders How Many NRA Members

Would fail the background check. They think that would stand in the way of a fully armed rebellion against the elected government.

[randr]

27. My modest proposal

Members should be buried with their cold dead hands around their weapons. That way they will never have to give them up and we will see the interment of thousands of weapons each year.

[struggle4progress]

28. been there. done that. yep

[Aristus]

29. I will never surrender my car. Never!

I'm just going to make sure it is bought from a reputable dealer who will report the sale, register it with the municiple authorities, have that registration with the car at all times, have the car insured for liability and damage, and never, ever, allow it to be used by someone who has not had the proper training and displays a significant level of competence in its use.

If I fail to secure my car properly, and it is stolen and used to commit a crime, I will be held at least partially liable, even if in the most infinitesimal way. The VIN will be available to law enforcement authorities in case it is ever stolen, so they can track it much more easily.

And you don't see me screaming or jumping up and down in rage, screeching about "my rights".

[chelsea0011]

30. I don't get it. When did the government start confiscating guns?

[Skittles]

34. it's their paranoid delusions again

that's why they loves them some killing machines

[markpkessinger]

44. Oh, I think it's far more cynical than that . . .

Wayne LaPierre knows full well that there has been NO suggestion about taking anybody's guns away. He says stuff like this not because he thinks it is true; he says it because he is shilling for gun manufacturers, and he knows he can whip the NRA's supporters into a frency by making statements liike this.

[Skittles]

45. so he knows his gun nut supporters are paranoid and dumber than fence posts

very sad indeed

[hack89]

52. Never - even Diane Feinstein is OK with people owning AR-15s. nt

[Skittles]

33. PARANOID BASTARDS

[BadGimp]

35. And the AssClown Award goes to....

[onehandle]

37. You white guys over 55 will probably not.

But down the road, guns are history.

[Kolesar]

38. Handgun owners should surrender their "guns"

The existing policy forced upon us by the gun manufacturers and the gun culture has not worked. Britons don't have to deal with this death and mayhem.

[spin]

40. That's easy for you to say ...

and perhaps you are right.

Unfortunately you will have a hard time convincing any honest and responsible handgun owner to simply surrender his handguns for the good of society.

[jmowreader]

47. I don't support gun confiscation, and no elected Democrat has or will suggested it...

but in the case of the NRA, one could see where it might not be that bad of an idea.

Now all we need is the cold dead hand of Charlton Heston holding up a musket...

[Mr.Bill]

48. Welcome to CPAC South.

The lunatic road show.

[Marrah_G]

49. FFS these people are stupid, no one is coming to take their guns

[hack89]

50. Yes - even Diane Feinstein is fine with people keeping their AR-15s.

I think everyone knows that actual confiscation will never happen - there is simply no public support for it.

[Marrah_G]

54. Even if there is an AWB again they will just grandfather in those who already have them

Just like last time.

[hack89]

55. I know - the present number of AR-15s in America doesn't appear to be a concern

same for high capacity mags - neither proposed law was retroactive.

When even strong proponents of gun control are not advocating actual confiscation, it is hard to make the argument that the government will take away anyone's guns.

[LonePirate]

51. Is there a difference between meth and guns apart from the Second Amendment?

I can't tell which one Wayne is addicted to here.

[apnu]

53. Why do they keep saying this?

Nobody's even hinted at taking their guns.

These people are lunatics.

[LanternWaste]

56. Someone recently posted the question, "what makes a gun-nut?

Someone recently posted the question, "what makes a gun-nut?

Well... here is another part of the nuttiness.