At least dozen people shot at Mother's Day second line

[Bosonic]

Source: WWLTV

NEW ORLEANS -- NOPD Superintendent Ronal Serpas says that at least 12 people were shot a Mother's Day second-line parade in the 7th Ward.

The youngest victim in the shooting was 10 years old.

Police say there were 200 people at the corner where shots rang out, and 300 to 400 people at the second line in all.

EMS took nine people to University Hospital; eight were suffering from gunshot wounds, while another was injured in a fall while escaping the shooting. Three of those victims who were shot are in critical condition.

Read more: http://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/Several-shot-in-7th-Ward-207120471.html

[CurtEastPoint]

1. what does second line mean?

[Danmel]

3. The first line is the brass or jazz band

The second line follows the band, dancing with parasols. You see them a lot at Jazz funerals in New Orleans, and at weddings too.

[Thor_MN]

4. A type of parade, apparently

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_line_%28parades%29

Second line is a tradition in brass band parades in New Orleans, Louisiana. The "main line" or "first line" is the main section of the parade, or the members of the actual club with the parading permit as well as the brass band. Those who follow the band just to enjoy the music are called the "second line." The second line's style of traditional dance, in which participants walk and sometimes twirl a parasol or handkerchief in the air, is called "second lining." It has been called "the quintessential New Orleans art form — a jazz funeral without a body."[1] Another significant difference from so called "jazz funerals" is second line parades usually lack the slow hymns and dirges played at funerals (although this is not a hard rule; some organizations may have the band play something solemn towards the start of the parade in memory of members deceased since their last parade).

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

6. From before the shooting - an article about a parade

http://www.noladefender.com/content/original-big-seve45n-s67apc-set-mothers-day-second-line

edited because the article is about a parade, not sure if it's "the" parade where the shooting occurred.

[iamthebandfanman]

2. Damnit. n/t

[SoapBox]

7. More guns used for violent incidents.

...I don't even know what to say.

Guns, guns, guns, guns...

[still_one]

9. I cannot think of anything that a gun is used for that isn't a violent incident /nt

[Bay Boy]

31. Really?

What a sheltered life you must live.

[xtraxritical]

44. Ef you, get lost.

[Skittles]

47. CAREFUL!!!

Pimping for guns is OK but they will ALERT if you tell them to fuck off!!!

[Nanjing to Seoul]

53. Yes, NRA talking points are acceptable to DU juries

Telling those that spout NRA talking points on a progressive website is "over the top" and will get your posts banned.

Has happened to me twice. I agree completely with you!

[sofa king]

95. It is the rudeness that is unacceptable.

I personally consider turns of phrase like F U or STFU to be particularly toss-worthy because that form of leet speak evolved in order to bypass automated language censors (which DU does not use).

So not only are they rude, they are tailored to deliver the rudeness past features designed to prevent such rudeness, which makes them deliberately rude. I don't care what the subject matter is, when you go there you lose, period.

I can and do expect the same behavior of myself and everyone else here. There is a real damned good reason for it, which goes beyond mere comity. Left to itself, an Internet message board devolves to "FUK U H1TLER" in about twenty hours, faster if there is an army of people who are paid to make exactly that happen, given the opportunity. The people of DU have done a good job of preventing that by policing themselves.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

101. When you outlaw the word fuck, you outlaw the phrase Fuck the Government - Lenny Bruce

Maybe people need to develop a little thicker skin and accept that FU and STFU followed by logical and compelling arguments work.

BTW, gundamentalists don't warrant much respect in my eyes. Neither do Badge sniffers.

[cosmicone]

62. We should not be mean to "responsible" gun owners!!

[Skittles]

74. don't you just love THOSE ones?

they actually think they are being clever

[Bay Boy]

97. Why in the world do you think it is acceptable to...

...be mean to a responsible gun owner? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

[cosmicone]

98. Please download an app

from www.sarcasm4u.com

[still_one]

48. Other than target practice name something that does not

Involving guns that isn't violent. Hunting involves killing, even for food is still violent

I am not saying people should or should not hunt I am just stating it is a violent act

That is killing something is violent

[petronius]

67. How are you defining "target practice"?

If you mean that phrase broadly, it would seem that you're preemptively excluding all non-violent activities in your request for a list of non-violent activities.

In truth, I'd say that the vast majority of shooting sports and activities are non-violent in the sense of the word that really matters - most guns and most bullets fired are not aimed at a living thing.

(But if "violent" just means noise, smoke, flame, and recoil, then I agree that shooting is generally violent in that sense.)

[still_one]

76. Skeet shooting and the like. However, many forms of target practice are with the eventual intent to

Prepare for shooting at a living thing eventually, whether that is realized or not depends

[petronius]

84. That's extremely circular reasoning: in order to conclude that guns are only

used for violent purposes you've preemptively excluded all the non-violent uses, and then declared those uses 'violent' in intent (even if the people involved in the specific sports may not share or be aware of their own violent motives).

Even trap, skeet, and sporting clays are not "violent" in the harm-a-living-thing way, despite their (I assume) descent from hunting. And so when you add it all up, the vast majority of gun uses are not violent in any useful meaning of that term...

[ArcticFox]

87. Agree completely

Target practice is pointless except to prepare for more violent things. Why would you want to be a good shot, if not to be able to hit something of consequence?

[hack89]

91. What about competition for the sake of competition?

I don't think those Olympic gold medalist trained for years for any thing more than the chance to say they were the best shooters in the world.

I have been a competitive shooter for decades - the center of a target is something of consequence when you are competing to win.

[Bay Boy]

99. You win the prize...

...for getting the right answer.
You can certainly make the argument that using guns for hunting has a measure of violence to it.
You can also make the argument that practicing for self defense has the possible end goal of violence, even if the gun is never used for self defense. But there are a lot of people who enjoy shooting guns for the challenge of target shooting. There is skeet shooting, trap shooting, sporting clays, and lots of rifle shooting contests.

A lesser reason for owning guns is for collecting them for their value and or beauty. Yes some guns are very beautiful.

[Spirochete]

75. Don't you have

the newest issue of Guns & Ammo to masturb- er.. read?

[mokawanis]

8. Another kid shot

and at least 11 other people. Is there nothing we can do to stop this shit from happening day after day?

[Tx4obama]

10. Vote the GOPers out-of-office, take back the House. Then get the gun safety bills passed and signed

that would be a good start.

[mokawanis]

11. That would be most excellent

I hope we all live to see the day when those things happen.

[freshwest]

15. Yes, including the gun happy Bobby Jindal.

Gun rights [edit]

Jindal has stated his support of the Second Amendment's right to bear arms. He has opposed efforts to restrict gun rights and has received an endorsement from the National Rifle Association.[104] Jindal earned an A rating from Gun Owners of America[105] while he was in Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal#Gun_rights

As a Congressman, he sponsored Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 with Senator Vitter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Recovery_Personal_Protection_Act_of_2006

He's even gotten a good rating from Infowars hero and Ron Paul supporter Larry Pratt's GOA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

Jindal has promoted carrying guns in churches. All of these laws passed, and they still say Obama's coming for teh gunz.

Sheesh...

[PatrynXX]

18. well by putting actual Liberals

in office. not conservadems that make a fool of us. Obama only had what he has to work worth.

[Skittles]

23. can we vote the gun humpers out of DU?

or at least make them stay in the gungeon? They make me sick.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

36. No, because juries won't block their posts and the mods won't ban them

but write a post cornering them and they will alert and tell the juries you are being over the top.

Gundamentalists run everything, apparently even juries on DU.

[Skittles]

37. OMG I HEAR YOU - THEY ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING COWARDS

CONSTANTLY CRYING FOR JURIES TO HELP THEM OUT

[Duckhunter935]

40. At least the gun owners

here do not need a safe haven that bans any contrary thoughts

[Nanjing to Seoul]

51. I am a gun owner, buddy. I own six. Difference is I am not a gundamentalist

Unlike some DUers.

As for banning contrary thought. . .next time some freeptard shows up and you're on the jury, vote to keep his posts and admonish the MIRT squad if they revoke the Freeper's posting privileges.

Welcome to the pit, gun nut!

[snooper2]

92. Did you see this?

bad ass

[Turborama]

78. During my time in MIRT I saw several gun trolls nuked, some of them had been here for many years

MIRT and the admins are aware of the gun trollery that goes on here. All alerts are taken seriously by MIRT, if it gets to them, and the Admins, if TOS is checked and goes directly to them even if it doesn't get hidden.

Responsible DUers (pun intended) should never shy away from alerting on a gun troll if you see one, no matter how long they've been here.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

83. I'm tired of my alerts being shot down by juries who think I'm wasting their time

and that it's a "good time to explain our position to the masses" when I alert on a gun nut.

When I call the gun nut on their crap, I get alerted and the alert passes. Happened last night.

[Turborama]

85. What I'm saying is it is always worth alerting on gun trolls, as long as TOS is checked Admins will

...get it, regardless of whether the jury let's it stay or not. I received many notifications of a gun nut getting nuked by the Admins, even though we as MIRT members didn't get a jury hide notification come our way.

BTW I alerted on the one above and it got left, but I don't care as the admins will get it. I also had a juror comment in it that I suspect comes from a troll so I'll alert on the alert results too and ask the admin to check that juror out.

Sorry to hear you got a hide from calling them out. Which post was it?

[xtraxritical]

46. Yeah, like this BayBoy number 31 above should be the first to go.

[sulphurdunn]

49. There's a national debate

raging on this issue. I don't think banning people one disagrees with from speaking is a good idea, no matter how repugnant their positions. Gun nut arguments are easy to shoot down. (pun intended).

[Skittles]

50. I don't appreciate people who side with the NRA, Nugent and Palin

in a PROGRESSIVE BOARD

[Niceguy1]

54. so progressives

Who support responsible gun ownership aren't welcome?

[Nanjing to Seoul]

55. No, progressives that spout NRA talking points like cars kill more than guns

knives are just as dangerous. . .only criminals will have guns with we outlaw guns. . .they aren't welcome.

Why do you gundamentalists not understand that simple point?

Oh, and before I get told something dumb, before I moved overseas, I owned six guns.

Three vintage firearms from WW2, the revolution and the Civil War

My ruger
a 12 gauge
a 30-06 hunting rifle

[Skittles]

65. LOL

you know DAMN WELL that is NOT what it is

[Mojorabbit]

79. I am a progressive and a gun owner

and it feels like all gun owners are being targeted on this board. That is my take on it anyway. I can't speak for anyone else but that is how I feel.
I want to know why multiple people shot at the crowd. Is there some sort of gang war underway? Something is going on behind the shooting.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

86. And if there were good control laws instead of the weak sauce crap we have to appease those

dickless lunatics at the NRA, maybe this would not have happened.

[Mojorabbit]

90. That depends on the why. If the people who did this

have records and should not have had a weapon which is against the law, then yes someone is not doing their job. If they had no criminal records, I want to know what happened and the why. We have a lot of laws on the books already, one of which is against killing. We could use a few more to refine what we have, ie background checks. These people could have used pressure cookers. I guess what I am getting at is Something is very Wrong with them that they would do this.
It shows a total disregard for human life, for children, for community. Perhaps more details will emerge today. I am tired of all this violence, I am tired of war, I am tired of greed. .

[Doctor_J]

61. We had the House and White house for two years. Nothing happened

and don't forget a bunch of Dems blocked it this time around. If you think "voting the GOPers out of office" will change much, time for a visit from the clue fairy.

[Tx4obama]

68. But we did NOT have a filibuster proof super majority for very long. It was only around two MONTHS.

Sen Franken wasn't sworn in until July 2009, and Sen Kennedy died in August 2009

then Kennedy's seat was vacant for one month before a temporary replacement was sworn in.

Then the Senate was on recess for most of the rest of the year, then Sen Brown (R) took over Kennedy's seat in January 2010.

Altogether we had a 60 vote super-majority for only around TWO MONTHS since the time Obama took office.

[rdharma]

12. Your avatar explains exactly how I felt after reading about this incident. eom

[otohara]

13. No One Should Feel Safe

Anywhere in the country awash in GUNS!

Would you feel safe in Yemen? No difference!

[bowens43]

14. Are you loving it gun fetishists? This is what you want!

This is what you support. This is what you want to keep happening. This is what you are enabling.


30,000 dead from guns every year and you dance around their bodies screaming for your make believe gun rights.

enjoy it.......wallow in the blood and the grief

[tblue]

24. Amen! I blame them too.

I really do. They are enabling these insane policies and supporting the gun industry that makes money off of death a destruction. I don't care if they feel bad reading that. They are NOT the victims here. They are creating more victims and they have blood on their hands.

[Skittles]

38. CAREFUL - THEY WILL CRY FOR JURY INTERVENTION!!!!

DON'T HURT THEIR WIDDLE FEELINGS!!! Gun violence is A-OK but DON'T HURT THEIR WIDDLE FEELINGS!!!

[Ruby the Liberal]

16. 300-400 people and nary a cop or other "good guy with a gun" among them.

If only the 10 year old had one of those kid gunz...

[Sgent]

96. 10 cops

were present and in uniform -- although they were mostly working traffic for the parade.

Its illegal to have a gun on a parade route in LA, even for people with concealed weapons permits.

[nolabear]

17. Damn. Damn damn damn damn.

They can destroy it. They can. It's madness.

[Orrex]

19. I'll bet at least that many parade-goers were killed by pool accidents and household chemicals

[Sadiedog]

22. and so what is your point? It is still not acceptable! nt

[Divine Discontent]

70. their point is that they don't have none

I don't hang out with people who own guns. when a friend forgets he didn't lock his gun case and his kids get them, or accidentally forgets to remove the ammo, or goes off about someone ticking them off, as people do in their lives, I don't want to be around them! Way too many thousands of stories every year of injury and death from people having guns sitting around for no damned good reason, or where they even want to hurt others... I approve of a rifle for hunting, locked up, but find no reason any human should have AR's or handguns. Fortunately, none of the people I hang out with have weapons other than a single shot rifle, and that's just 2 people out of a dozen.

[awoke_in_2003]

25. And auto accidents.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

32. Oh yes. . .can't forget cars. And knife attacks either. I'm sure just as many have

been stabbed as shot!

[awoke_in_2003]

35. We both forgot hammers. nt

[Incitatus]

28. 12 out 0f 400?

No, not likely.

[Politicalboi]

33. Or a hammer

Hammers can attack without any notice. They call fall on your head, they can hit your thumb, or drop on your foot. OUCH! We need laws to protect us from hammer heads. ASAP!

But Faux News just told us gun violence is DOWN! They wondered why nobody else was covering that. Making these gun victims a political football MSNBC and Obama. The GOP NEVER does that, no sir. Abortions are different you see. They never use abortions as political footballs, no sir.
Let's make abortions an Amendment right like the 2nd Amendment. Let's see how they like that shit.

[RC]

72. How can parade-goers be killed by pools and household chemicals when they are watching a parade?

That's ridicules.

Besides what do swimming pools and household chemicals have to do with being shot during a parade? Neither are designed specificity to kill at at a distance, as guns are.

[jeff47]

77. It's a common defense from the gun lovers on DU

They spend a lot of time emphasizing other ways to die in their attempts to deflect any argument about guns.

Current favorites are pools and household chemicals, because cars wasn't working anymore.

[AsahinaKimi]

20. Its just so hard to believe....

Was this country like this ten years ago? WTH is going on that there are so many horrendous shootings.. i guess the answer has been, not as many guns, as there were ten years ago?

[awoke_in_2003]

27. A segment of our society...

is being whipped into a frenzy by talk radio. It has only gotten worse because a black man was made president.

[AsahinaKimi]

29. I guess thats it...

the combination of the two are making Right Wingers head explode..

[awoke_in_2003]

34. I tune in from time to time...

just to hear what they are up to. They are dangerously far removed from reality.

[AsahinaKimi]

39. Tune in to right wing radio and Tv?

You are braver than I am! The clips posted on DU are enough to make you shake your head. Those to listen to people like Michael Savage or Glenn Beck.. and soak up every bit of the hatred they spew, are probably sitting there cleaning their weapons while doing so.
This country has gone off the deep end...and then you see about how the Police are going rogue.. at some point the pot has to boil over.. I can't run too far on the West Coast..there is an Ocean there!

[awoke_in_2003]

41. It is only 20 minutes on the way home...

Savage is one of the worst- he has a serious case of self-hate. But it does prepare me for the dumbshits at work the next day. They buy that shit hook, line, and sinker.

[AsahinaKimi]

43. I am so glad I work at home..

Or don't have to hear too much of it by people around me. I think my heart would sink.. to hear it every day from people you work with or are around you. You would tend to wonder if the whole town, city, state and or country thinks that way. I love my city of San Francisco..but even we are losing some ground.. Progressive and Liberal radio here is slipping to become owned by the Right wing.. even KGO isn't the way it used to be.. When we Democrats lose our voice in a city like this... You know the erosion is great... and when people do and say things, that don't make any sense at all.. like how for example, its okay to allow people to starve in the streets... or to take kids school lunches away from them because its a waste of money.. You want to stand up and grab them and shake some sense into them. Of course today its dangerous to do that, as they might just STAND THEIR GROUND..and shoot you with a weapon.

[awoke_in_2003]

45. I am a liberal atheist in Texas...

sometimes it is more than I can bear.

[AsahinaKimi]

52. haiiiiyaaaaa

I am sure its a mixed bag there.. We do have a lot of right wingers down in Southern California.. Orange county. Santa Barbara used to be a haven for Right wingers, but its moved to the left.. Still, San Fransisco is a pretty liberal Town, but many "fundies" have started to move here to "save us". If you go downtown and stand with the cable cars at Powell and Market Street, there are always a few trying to convert people there. (They don't know most are out of town visitors who want to ride the Cable Cars..)



Occasionally the SFPD are called in. People don't like it when someone gets in your face and tells you, you are going to hell. If they ever get aggressive its because they think no one is paying attention. Most know they are there, and don't want them in their face. Some of the preachers do get aggressive... and that's not good for the city or the tourist trade in the city.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

58. People can say what they want about China. . .living here, I don't need to worry about which

freako will shoot me with their concealed gun.

[AsahinaKimi]

60. China is all together different...

If I was there I would yell...

"Wu Hue ti dao wu dan Shan!!"

I will kick down Wu dan Mountain!!! (did I say that right? My mandarin is rusty)


(Big, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon movie fan )

[Nanjing to Seoul]

63. wo hui ti dao wu dan shan

我会提到吴丹山！

[awoke_in_2003]

69. If I could live anywhere in this state...

it would be Austin. It is a great town. Oh, and Houston actually elected an openly lesbian mayor. Things may change in DFW eventually- one can hope.

[kentauros]

93. However, you still have one of the primary Pacifica stations, KPFA.

We in Houston have one of the other five, KPFT, and other than the KKK attempting to bomb them off the air twice in 1970, they've remained strong for liberal causes ever since

[GreenStormCloud]

21. News says there were multiple shooters.

Likely it was criminals settling a business dispute with each other and parade memebers caught in the crossfire. Probably already against the law for them to have guns.

Hope they get caught. Sympathy for the poor folks that were hit.

[muriel_volestrangler]

42. The Superintendent says they "likely worked together"

And the organiser is calling it a terrorist act:

Serpas said the three gunmen likely worked together, and at least two different weapons were used. One of the suspects is described as a man between 18 and 22 years old with short hair and wearing a white shirt and blue jeans, Serpas said.
...
The Original Big 7 Social Aid and Pleasure Club organized the second line and has held it on Mother's Day since 2001, according to Edward Buckner, the club's president. The parade started Sunday about 1 p.m. at the Original Big 7's home at 1825 Elysian Fields Ave.
...
"It's not because of the associated pleasure clubs that this type of terrorist act happens. That's not the type of crowd that follow us. We have people as old as 70, and as young as 5" years old who parade, said Buckner, adding that a shooting had never occurred at their Mother's Day second line before.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/05/mothers_day_second-line_shooti.html

[Rozlee]

26. Did that superintendent say that the shooters were 'selfish'?

No. No, no, no. I'm selfish when I take the last donut from the box. Someone's selfish when they eat their kids' Easter Peeps. Guys shooting at people, including 10-year-olds, are murderous, evil, psychopathic monsters. Selfish! Seriously.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

59. I'm missing something here. Where did the "selfish" comment come from? Who said it, why and what

is the context?

[Rozlee]

66. The NOPD superintendent was talking about the three shooters

and said, "I think what frustrates all of us is the selfishness of some people and I think what frustrates all of us is that the great culture of this city sometimes stumbles a bit because of the selfish behavior of some people." Yeah, kinda redundant. And like mass shootings can be compared to cutting in front of the line at the 15 ITEMS OR LESS grocery counter.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

71. Wow. Interesting. Equating murder and attempted murder with Ebenezer Scrooge

Sometimes, I believe there needs to be IQ tests for law enforcement. . .or at least a basic language usage and syntax test.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

30. Cue NRA talking point DUers saying it isn't the guns in 5. . .4. . .3. . .2. . .`

Besides, those shot are just collateral damage. Meaningless, nameless, faceless people. We need out guns!

[maindawg]

56. had a law abiding CC NRA person been standing there,

I am sure that person would have shit his pants.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

57. And been begging for mommy to save their worthless carcass. So much for a good guy with a gun

stopping a bad guy with a gun.

[Initech]

64. I fear a nut with a gun in a public setting far more than I fear any terrorist group.

[Arugula Latte]

94. Yep. They've slaughtered upteen more people in this country than terrorists ever have.

[Pterodactyl]

73. I blame New Orleans' gun culture.

[Adam-Bomb]

80. Boy, this thread got derailed quick...

Back on track,

A tragic occurence made even more so by happening on Mother's Day.

Freaking gangbangers are a blight on civilization.

[tofuandbeer]

81. +1

[AverageJoe90]

82. All I can say is.....goddam. Fuck. Shit.

On Mother's Day of all effing days.....

[Iggo]

88. More guns!!!

[Cronus Protagonist]

89. Just like HITLER!!1!

I had to invoke Goodwin's law to end this thread.

[GreenStormCloud]

100. Gangs shooting it out. Innocents in crossfire. No law-abiding gun owners involved.

Law-abiding gun owners didn't cause this, and criminal gangs will ignore any gun laws. Gun controllers are like Bush invading Iraq, which didn't have anything to do with 9-11. Gun controllers can't do anything about violent criminals so they lash out at law-abiding gun owners.

Link to news article about arrests of gang member: http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/05/mothers_day_shootings_arrest_d.html#incart_maj-story-2