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avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
Wed May 15, 2013, 04:17 PM May 2013

Boston fire chief under fire for marathon response

Source: Boston.com

BOSTON (AP) — Boston’s fire chief is facing criticism from 13 of his deputies for the way he handled the Boston Marathon bombings.

The deputy chiefs wrote a letter to Mayor Tom Menino dated April 26 that said Chief Steve Abraira failed to assume command or show leadership when he showed up at the scene of the April 15 explosions that killed three and injured more than 260.

‘‘You can unequivocally consider this letter a vote of no confidence in Chief Abraira,’’ the deputy chiefs wrote.

The deputies said his response was the latest in a pattern of not taking command during emergencies and shielding himself from accountability. They said Abraira has reversed decades of protocol by not taking command as his predecessors did.


Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/05/15/boston-fire-chief-under-fire-for-marathon-response/CAHvAPiJ5I7641VGQFgaVI/story.html



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Boston fire chief under fire for marathon response (Original Post) avaistheone1 May 2013 OP
Wow....translation....to me.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2013 #1
Or ... "he's not one of us" ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2013 #4
did he have a choice? dothemath May 2013 #2
wrong wrong wrong. pasto76 May 2013 #6
AHJ? Ruby the Liberal May 2013 #8
Authorities Having Jurisdiction... Earth_First May 2013 #9
Thanks Ruby the Liberal May 2013 #10
wow jg15 May 2013 #3
I guess I need to learn some specific details on what he did or didn't do Blue_Tires May 2013 #5
yeah, I dont see why they think a fire chief would intervene in a crime scene pasto76 May 2013 #7
Agreed... Blue_Tires May 2013 #13
13 underlings report presscac May 2013 #11
Not very clear on what the actual grievances are. Ash_F May 2013 #12

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,340 posts)
4. Or ... "he's not one of us" ...
Wed May 15, 2013, 04:42 PM
May 2013

... being Hispanic, and probably not a drop of good Irish blood in him.

I prefer your translation.





 

dothemath

(345 posts)
2. did he have a choice?
Wed May 15, 2013, 04:26 PM
May 2013

By law, when the fire chief shows up, he becomes the incident commander, no matter how many others, including police, are on site. Am I wrong about this? Has the law changed? During my career, I was an emergency responder and I have seen it happen. I once heard a fire chief ask a police captain if he was going to be quiet or did the captain want to spend the night in jail.

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
6. wrong wrong wrong.
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:53 PM
May 2013

homeland security presidential directive #5. all emergency services will conduct operations in accordance with the national response framework. NRF basically says follow ICS.

The MOST QUALIFIED person on scene should assume command. in every single beginner ICS class, they go through great pains to make it clear that this does NOT mean 'highest ranking'.

somebody on scene should have have established command as soon as the, literally, the smoke started to clear. When I was working for the county, when I would establish command, I needed to be sure I was transferring command to a competent person. a fire chief arriving on scene doesnt mean bumpkis. Nobody can just take command once an incident is rolling. Yeah, it causes a lot of hurt feelings. Too bad. I was there to help people by running an effective and efficient incident. Not stroke egos.

which brings us to AHJ. I would argue that BPD was AHJ until they asked for state or federal assistance. Clearly its a crime scene. In todays world, again so nobody has a major sad attack, BPD should have established unified command with BFD.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
10. Thanks
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:07 PM
May 2013

Thought it was probably something along those lines, but "jurisdiction" was all my civilian mind could muster, and I knew there had to be more to it. Thanks for googling for me.

jg15

(12 posts)
3. wow
Wed May 15, 2013, 04:35 PM
May 2013

Is that the law in just Boston or is it pretty much country wide... Didn't realize the fire chief had that authority. Did the chief give a reason for 'staying home' and watching TV that day?

pasto76

(1,589 posts)
7. yeah, I dont see why they think a fire chief would intervene in a crime scene
Wed May 15, 2013, 05:57 PM
May 2013

if a 'fire guy' needed to be 'in charge', why didnt one of these gung ho go getters try and establish command? sounds to me like the typical bullshit where people dont want to be in charge, they just want to tell people in charge how to do things. Then bitch about how they did them. Happens every day at work.

is a chief voted or elected into position in boston? sounds to me like conspiracy to undermine a legitimate chain of command.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. Agreed...
Thu May 16, 2013, 09:38 AM
May 2013

I can't take their complaint seriously until I see "The Fire Chief's stated responsibilities in an incident response are 1,2,3, etc., but this guy showed up and did A,B,C....."

presscac

(15 posts)
11. 13 underlings report
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:16 PM
May 2013

That their boss didn't take command. . . No bitches about BPD, FBI, DHS or anyone else. . . They needed wanted direction that 13 equals deserve.

Mention prior CYA issues. . .

Sounds simple to me

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