FBI agent kills man linked to Boston bombing suspects
Source: NBC News
An FBI agent was involved in a deadly overnight shooting connected to the Boston Marathon bombing case.
The man who was shot, Ibragim Todashev, had been interviewed about his connections to the bombing suspects before by the FBI and started out cooperative, NBC sources said.
The suspect then went to attack the agent and was shot, the sources said.
The suspect is deceased, the FBI said.
Read more: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-fbi-agent-kills-man-linked-to-boston-bombing-suspects?lite
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Found this searching the subject : http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/22/man-fatally-shot-by-fbi-agent-in-florida/
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Last edited Wed May 22, 2013, 10:19 AM - Edit history (1)
The FBI's been pushing him, 'Don't leave, don't leave.' So he decided to stay.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/22/man-fatally-shot-by-fbi-agent-in-florida/
Ibragim Todashev knew Tsarnaev and the two would talk on the phone, said the friend, Khusen Taramov. Todashev has been questioned by the FBI, and he recently canceled a trip to Chechnya that he had planned before the bombings because the FBI was pressuring not to leave.
Me and him and my friends, we knew this was going to happen. Thats why he wanted to leave the country, Taramov told Fox 35. But he canceled the tickets. The FBIs been pushing him, Dont leave, dont leave. So he decided to stay.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwarz/man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-shot-in-florida
What is this?
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)This is pretty thin on details.
classykaren
(769 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Unless you're in the UK you don't actually go into our true home site. That's impossible from the US for example. From outside you don't actually get all of the news some of which is edited out for whatever reason. I realised that when I was visiting friends in OH a few years ago.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)make sure you have tunnelbear. I have it and I love it, I switch the VPN over to UK and I can watch BBC or ITV, get all the UK based websites etc. You can put it on UK when you are here, and when you're there you can get US content as well. I have the paid version. $5 a month and well worth it, if only to get my channel 4 fix.
http://www.tunnelbear.com
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Thanks &
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I leave the VPN on UK sometimes for days and just pretend i'm in London or the Cotswolds.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)formercia
(18,479 posts)that Hoover put out a memo that basically said: If you use your weapon, shoot to kill. Getting into a fight with the FBI is a losing proposition.
CanonRay
(14,132 posts)Treasury, Secret Service, ATF, Customs, all train the same way.
premium
(3,731 posts)Federal Law Enforcement personnel are not trained to shoot to kill, they are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized. Whether the perp dies or not is not part of the equation.
Matter of fact, Fed./State/Local Law Enforcement personnel are all trained the same way as far as stopping a perp.
Maybe back during Hoovers time, but not since the mid 70's.
Ask me how I know.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)shooting to kill vs shooting to neutralize/incapacitate? It would seem both involve shooting at the chest/torso area multiple times.
premium
(3,731 posts)breathing, we were trained to shoot until the perp is no longer able to present a threat to our lives. Big difference, the perp could still be alive and breathing, but no longer able to pull trigger,
Shooting to kill would mean that LE would shoot, despite the fact that the perp no longer was a threat, until the perp was no longer breathing.
We were also trained to approach the perp, once they were down, weapon trained on them, remove the weapon, and handcuff them, whether dead or alive.
Yes, I was trained to aim for the chest/torso area, but people do survive multiple hits to these areas, that's not trained to shoot to kill.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Sounds like the guy was unarmed.
premium
(3,731 posts)which can do great damage to the human body. FBI agents don't normally carry tasers.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)They knew the guy was a martial arts expert. Surely someone thought to bring a taser.
premium
(3,731 posts)I wasn't there, I don't know what the mindset of the officers was at the time of the attack.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Not directing that toward this incident in particular or toward the FBI or law enforcement in general. It's just a fact.
You don't get the other side told in the Ballad of Jesse James every time someone is shot and killed. If any story lives on, it's that of the shooter.
premium
(3,731 posts)We were NOT trained to shoot to kill, that is a myth that seems to live on today.
merrily
(45,251 posts)to shoot to stop someone. For example, someone running away* can be shot in the leg. On the other hand, someone repeatedly plunging a knife into someone might have to be shot to be killed.
*Better example: running toward a bystander with a weapon, but too far from law enforcement to be stopped any other way
MADem
(135,425 posts)perp's hands as he runs toward him. In real life, they miss more often than they hit, so they know to aim for the biggest chunk of the person--the torso, not some moving leg!
merrily
(45,251 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I am fairly sure you aren't going to tell me that shooting someone in the kneecap so they can't run away is "neutralizing a threat."
merrily
(45,251 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)To say nothing of the fact that "shoot to kill" is bad for PR. It implies a certain bloodthirsty vibe that doesn't help community relations. Concepts of overwhelming force and "shoot to kill" are best left to armies in mortal combat.
premium
(3,731 posts)we were not trained to "shoot to kill" we are trained to shoot until the threat is neutralized.
Whether the perp survives the shooting is not in the equation is irrelevant, the relevant part is that they are no longer a threat to us or the general public.
merrily
(45,251 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)if someone is plunging a knife into someone else, the same training applies, we shoot to neutralize the threat, not shoot to kill, once the threat is no longer a threat, then the shooting stops, that's the way I was trained. I don't know any other way to say this.
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)premium
(3,731 posts)which plenty of people survive, especially with the advances in medical technology these days.
The bottom line is that LEO is not trained in shoot to kill since I went through the course in the early 70's, it's shoot until the threat is neutralized, whether they live or die is not a factor in the shooting.
I'm sorry, I just don't know of any other way of saying this.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Welcome back.
premium
(3,731 posts)Who the hell is Paul? (Genuinely curious)
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Paul something or other was the last member to run around citing his law enforcement training nonstop.
He got banned for being a conservative shithead.
I guess you're a different member, and not a sock puppet for that asshole.
My mistake.
premium
(3,731 posts)My law enforcement experience is 30+ years as an armed USFS Ranger, but I received the same weapons training and ROE's as any other Federal LE, ie: FBI, ATF, IRS, etc.
formercia
(18,479 posts)and anything that would reflect badly on the Bureau, thus him, was not welcome.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)ConcernedCanuk
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It's the American way . . .
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Laurian
(2,593 posts)had some connection to the murder of the three men, one of whom was also a friend of the older brother.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)Maybe I should be a detective.....or a psychic. I'm anxious to hear more about this strange twist.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)what would it take to cause you to attack?
formercia
(18,479 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Apparently, he said too much. He supposedly implicated himself in three brutal murders--that's somewhat of a "no way out" situation.
Present at the interview were an FBI agent (who was ostensibly the shooter, and who sustained an injury in the altercation) and two MA state troopers.
Todashev is not believed to have been involved in the April 15 Boston Marathon bombings that killed three people. But the official said he was being questioned about his interactions with bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and about the 2011 killings.
FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said in a statement that the agent had acted on an "imminent threat" in killing Todashev, WKMG-TV reported.
The FBI agent was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. WESH-TV reports that two Massachusetts state troopers were also involved in the interview.
NBC News, quoting unidentified investigators, reported that Todashev, who once lived in Boston, had confessed to the agent that he had played in a role in a brutal Waltham slayings and was about to sign a written statement when he allegedly attacked the agent.
MADem
(135,425 posts)his involvement in a triple murder, so there's that....
merrily
(45,251 posts)ETA: Please see Reply 14.
I am not saying what happened in this instance. I am simply saying I don't necessarily accept any story at face value.
MADem
(135,425 posts)A link would be helpful--I can't scroll up and down all day looking for one number in dozens of replies that are all over the place....
temmer
(358 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)temmer
(358 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)USA Today and other papers are saying the same thing.
temmer
(358 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=490031
Much has been added to this thread, it might be helpful for you to start at the top and review all the links, first.
And welcome to DU.
temmer
(358 posts)I'm still looking for Todashev saying that the older Tsarnaev was involved in the killing. I didn't find that anywhere.
MADem
(135,425 posts)you seek. I can't teach you to read.
temmer
(358 posts)Here are the two excerpts. Where does it say that Todashew said that Tsarnaev was involved in the triple murder? Can you just copy and paste the respective passage?
#1 BOSTON A man in Orlando, Fla., who was being interviewed early Wednesday morning by an agent from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and two Massachusetts state troopers about his ties to the deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect was fatally shot after he tried to attack them with a knife, according to a senior law enforcement official.
The authorities were questioning the man who was identified by a law enforcement official as Ibragim Todashev about whether he had played a role in a triple murder on Sept. 11, 2011, in Waltham, Mass., which had been one of the biggest questions of the investigation.
The investigators were working on the theory that he and Tamerlan had done the murder, said the official, referring to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the deceased marathon bombing suspect. One of the victims was a friend of Mr. Tsarnaev.
#2 The F.B.I. agent, who was from the Boston field office, sustained minor injuries in the episode, the official said....
Todashev is not believed to have been involved in the April 15 Boston Marathon bombings that killed three people. But the official said he was being questioned about his interactions with bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and about the 2011 killings.
FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said in a statement that the agent had acted on an "imminent threat" in killing Todashev, WKMG-TV reported.
The FBI agent was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. WESH-TV reports that two Massachusetts state troopers were also involved in the interview.
NBC News, quoting unidentified investigators, reported that Todashev, who once lived in Boston, had confessed to the agent that he had played in a role in a brutal Waltham slayings and was about to sign a written statement when he allegedly attacked the agent.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Here:
The investigators were working on the theory that he and Tamerlan had done the murder,
and HERE: the official said he was being questioned about his interactions with bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and about the 2011 killings. ...NBC News, quoting unidentified investigators, reported that Todashev, who once lived in Boston, had confessed to the agent that he had played in a role in a brutal Waltham slayings and was about to sign a written statement when he allegedly attacked the agent.
Now, if you had clicked on the NYT cite the first time, and read the article, you also would have seen this as well:
The authorities believe that Mr. Todashev and Mr. Tsarnaev were involved in the murders and are seeking to determine whether the police missed an opportunity to thwart the marathon attacks. They have not ruled out that Mr. Tsarnaevs younger brother, Dzhokhar, played a role in the murders.
The mother of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects said in a telephone interview that her older son knew Mr. Todashev.
The mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, said Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Mr. Todashev saw each other regularly in Boston, though they were not particularly close, and that Ibragim had moved to Florida around two years ago.
Here is the link, yet again: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/officer-involved-in-shooting-of-man-tied-to-tsarnaev.html?_r=0
temmer
(358 posts)This was your claim:
Per the NYT, this guy said the older brother WAS involved
I'm not interested in the theory of the investigators. I want to know where the guy (Todashev) says in the NYT quote that the older brother was involved, as you have claimed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You aren't using logic.
You are looking for a quote from a dead man.
Open book, aren't you!
MADem
(135,425 posts)One thing does not negate the other.
I say wait for more information.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Without a signed confession, you're relying on hearsay. Whatever that officer says is worthless.
premium
(3,731 posts)LE doesn't have to read you your rights. Anything he said during an interview can be used.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Here's a thought. Maybe he knew his rights, got up to leave, and that's when he was shot?
We'll never know.
premium
(3,731 posts)if they tried to stop him then, at that point, he's considered in custody and his rights have to be read to him.
We can speculate all we want, but until other evidence comes out to the contrary, I'll chose to believe the FBI agent, who, BTW, was wounded, and 2 state troopers.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)FWIW, this isn't a courtroom, and since neither you nor I are judges, we don't have to worry about hearsay.
I'm repeating what I read in the paper. Frankly, I'll take the NYT and other papers as a valid source before I take the word of "Eddie Haskell of DU" as rock solid reporting. No offense, but at least the newspapers have a traceable byline.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)If only he hadn't been shot to death.
In this case, the NYT is a tool. An outlet the FBI used to bolster their case that the brothers were involved in the drug murders. In my opinion, it's evidence that wouldn't be allowed in court; but it will be used to shape a gullible publics opinion.
MADem
(135,425 posts)slice their throats like he did in Waltham.
I'm betting this interview--and the others they have done with this guy--were tape recorded.
Every newspaper, apparently, is a tool. They'd have to be, according to you. And all the TV networks, too. And the cable news shows...yeah, that's the ticket.
And you're the only one who knows the truth?
No one is saying "the brotherS" were involved--this one guy was indicating that ONE brother was involved, the older one...and the details of his involvement (or this guy's) are yet to be revealed.
You seem to be getting terribly hot-breathed over details that haven't been put forth, yet. Frankly, I can't get behind your overwrought excitement. I don't think anyone's being played here, but I do think you have quite the flair for the dramatic.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You've had to go back a ways, and name someone who is NO LONGER WORKING at NYT, and who hasn't been for EIGHT years now, to try to make something resembling a case.
I'll believe NYT--missteps and all-- before I will believe the fact-free rants of "GoneFishin of DU"--sorry. They have more credibility, even if it's not optimal, while all you've given me is angry opinion.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Not anger. Just bewilderment at how quickly authoritarian personalities gobble up whatever they are told provided it fits into their white hat vs. black hat world view. Some of these stories initially hit the news in a sanitized form, and the messy details only leak out months later, sometimes unnoticed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People who find themselves forever stuck in paradigms, playing out old roles, are more "authoritarian" than the people they accuse of being authoritarian.
Times change. Life goes on. That buggy whip isn't needed anymore, we've got horseless carriages now.
It is, indeed, bewildering to those who want their world painted in immutable shades of black and white--
the "authorities" are bad and evil, and they are locked into that role forever and ever and always... and of course there MUST be a "secret" explanation that only "I" know--and the rest of the "sheeple" have no clue about. Because, yeah...disinformation! Conspiracies! Fight the power!
It's a bit hackneyed and formulaic, if you ask me--you've done nothing but sneer and point--you have no proof of anything save a paranoid mind, and you don't even offer a single citation that suggests that your POV is even remotely valid.
It's blather, nothing more. It's what contrarian children do. It's not convincing.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)ConcernedCanuk
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Why can we not do this with humans??
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the same enclosed room as a grizzly.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Thermal imaging from a HELICOPTER.
hmmmm;
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geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He wasn't in a boat.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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Ever consider that much of the rest of the World considers USA Americans trigger happy?
Wonder why.
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cigsandcoffee
(2,300 posts)Doesn't mean they're right, though.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)here is not making any logical sense.
The FBI agents in the same room as the guy with a knife should have shot him with a tranquilizer from a helicopter like they do with grizzly bears, and that proves that Americans are trigger happy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There's a lot of chain jerking going on here. It doesn't seem to be in aid of casting any light on the subject, it's more, I think, about "internet sport." A childish pursuit.
And I think your choice of smilie is spot-on, as well!
clarice
(5,504 posts)Are easier to hit when they roll on their backs and grab their toes.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)The story is not so sound bitey as we are first lead to believe.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was shot by someone with law enforcement bona fides--perhaps he tried to give the FBI agent a Chechnyan necklace, like those three in Waltham got:
The authorities were questioning the man who was identified by a law enforcement official as Ibragim Todashev about whether he had played a role in a triple murder on Sept. 11, 2011, in Waltham, Mass., which had been one of the biggest questions of the investigation.
The investigators were working on the theory that he and Tamerlan had done the murder, said the official, referring to Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the deceased marathon bombing suspect. One of the victims was a friend of Mr. Tsarnaev.
The F.B.I. agent, who was from the Boston field office, sustained minor injuries in the episode, the official said....
More at this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/us/officer-involved-in-shooting-of-man-tied-to-tsarnaev.html?_r=0
temmer
(358 posts)This article is from October 20, 2011. Six weeks after the triple murder
WATERTOWN
Former Watertown Town Councilor Thomas Gus Bailey was arrested Wednesday and charged with trafficking marijuana after police reportedly found more than 1,000 marijuana plants and 300 pounds of cut marijuana, with an estimated street value of $2 million, in his Waltham warehouse.
Bailey, 49, of Waltham, was charged with conspiracy to violate drug law, trafficking in marijuana and two counts of possession of marijuana with intent to distribute. He was arraigned today in Waltham District Court and held on $100,000 cash bail.
Police found more than 1,000 plants actively growing, as well as "several hundred pounds" of cut marijuana and $20,000 in cash at the warehouse and one officer referred to it as a "million-dollar operation."
The investigation is ongoing. Middlesex District Attorney's Office spokeswoman Cara O'Brien said "at this time" there is no connection between the marijuana-growing operation and a September triple homicide where three men were found stabbed to death and covered in marijuana.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/watertown/news/x888169970/Former-Watertown-councilor-Gus-Bailey-arrested-on-marijuana-charges#ixzz2THJ6YNcT
Apparently his trial just started: May 13th, 2013:
http://watertown.patch.com/articles/court-date-set-for-trial-in-former-watertown-town-councilor-s-drug-case
Strange coincidence, isn't it?
MADem
(135,425 posts)People all over the state are in that little business. Examples:
http://www.necn.com/02/19/13/Major-marijuana-bust-in-Canton-Mass/landing.html?blockID=831979
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/everett_traffic_stop_results_i.html
http://www.willitsnews.com/ci_22920286/7-arrested-malden-pot-bust
http://www.enterprisenews.com/bsu/x694776178/Police-bust-Bridgewater-State-student-for-marijuana-distribution
I'm sure that anyone who was busted around the time of that triple homicide was scrutinized very carefully. Massachusetts isn't like some states--we're not the Murder Capital of the World, here. When people get killed, it's a big deal and it makes the news and people talk about it.
I was stunned that I "missed" this triple murder, because I watch the local news fairly regularly, but I later realized that I was out of town when it happened, and gone for awhile afterwards--so I missed the heavy reporting on it.
temmer
(358 posts)I said possibly - the temptation to link these two events (triple murder and arrest for marijuana) was apparently so big that officials had to deny any relation between them.
And now this guy - what's his name, Tadoshev? - has allegedly confessed that the was "involved" in the triple murder? But before signing a prepared confession, he decides to draw a knife and attack his interrogator?
Has Tadoshev a history of dealing with marihuana?
MADem
(135,425 posts)I can tell you that if the guy attacked the three with a knife, there's a certain familiarity to that modus operandi.
They say that, according to the Waltham crime scene, the three guys wearing the Chechen Necklace didn't know what hit them, either. Perhaps this guy thought he was quick enough, and good enough, to kill three guys sitting in his condo questioning him before they could get a shot off.
This guy was in his own home when this went down--he wasn't "in custody" or "under arrest." He was on his home turf.
temmer
(358 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You can WALK from Watertown to Waltham. It's not uncommon for people who LIVE in Watertown to work in Waltham, or vice versa.
"Relation confirmed?" Please.
temmer
(358 posts)No, I'm not from MA. Doesn't matter.
Your logic is pretty twisted. It was YOU who suggested (using the above quote) that because Waltham is not Watertown there is no relation between the two incidents, falsely implying that Bailey grew the weed in Watertown.
Now, after I informed you about your wrong assumption, you all of a sudden, tell me it doesn't matter if he grew the weed in Waltham or in Watertown because they are adjacent communities?
By the way - do you still stand to your claim that Todashev said the older Tsarnaev was involved in the Waltham murders?
MADem
(135,425 posts)to the point that you can go from one to the next and not even realize you've left one and entered the other.
It's not like there's a quota on the number of people who are "allowed" to grow weed in Waltham, either.
The NYT said that Todashev confessed to involvement in those murders. So yeah, I believe their claim before I believe someone like you, talking ragtime on a discussion board. You don't have any proof that he didn't say that--and if you do, you had better just put up or step off.
And yes, it does matter that you aren't from MA. You don't have the lay of the land, you aren't offering any proof that this guy was related to the crime, either, save a single "one-off" speculation that happened in the immediate aftermath of the triple murder, and hasn't resulted in an indictment of the former Watertown councilman who is going to trial for growing that weed.
Don't you think, since you're the internet expert here, that they'd have charged him with the crime if he were responsible, and not just a pot dealer, like hundreds of others around the commonwealth?
So where's YOUR proof, huh? Huh? You don't have any--if you did, you'd have posted it.
gopiscrap
(23,766 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)MA state troopers into lying about what happened.
And I'm an astronaut.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)public official has ever exaggerated, used hyperbole, or lied by omission to cover their butt.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I will say that the likelihood of a conspiracy between two staties and feeb is about as probable as my taking a trip to Mars any time soon...and I'm an astronaut. You can believe that because someone said so on DU.
premium
(3,731 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's well known that teen agers and those who are not fully emotionally mature tend to question even the most obvious and transparent accounts that are reported after a reasonable amount of investigation. It's their way of separating themselves from authority figures--by being contrarians.
For this reason, too, we see so many teen and twenty-somethings posting on the "Jahar is INNOCENT" Facebook pages. It suits an emotional narrative popular in young adult literature and films, one that is ripe with conspiracies, and is a way that young people express their independence from their parents and other adults in charge. Only 'I' know the truth, only 'I' and those like me--not you "establishment" drudges--understand.
It's a dance as old as time.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's quite common, but it is indicative of age, often as not--particularly when people rail on about "conspiracies" that just don't pass any adult person's smell test. http://www.policymic.com/articles/38165/freejahar-fandom-why-are-teenagers-so-susceptible-to-crackpot-conspiracy-theories
When children get older, they dump these views like they do their questionable choices in hair, clothing, and other adornments that signify "rebellion" against those establishment bill payers.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Go ahead and believe whatever you're told.
Love Santa
MADem
(135,425 posts)Unless you're on the Serengeti.
We're not on the Seregeti.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)gopiscrap
(23,766 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Succinct.
ConcernedCanuk
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MADem
(135,425 posts)not the same thing, either.
Woo woo woo is for Curley of the Three Stooges.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)I'm merely suggesting that when the police question a suspect, they have an agenda and will seek to find evidence to support that agenda. When an interrogation ends with a dead suspect, I don't believe that constitutes a confession.
MADem
(135,425 posts)worst.
Without a shred of evidence to back up your "suggestion," either.
It wasn't an "interrogation," though--it was an "interview."
Interrogations happen when people are in custody, this interview took place at the suspect's condo.
It is every bit as likely--if not more so--that the suspect had a belief in his ability to murder three people with a knife, quickly, based on the fact that he was able to do this once before, but his method didn't work quite so well on two staties and a feeb. He was able to cut one guy, but that's as far as he got.
temmer
(358 posts)that the suspect had a belief in his ability to murder three people with a knife, quickly, based on the fact that he was able to do this once before, but his method didn't work quite so well on two staties and a feeb. He was able to cut one guy, but that's as far as he got.
MADem
(135,425 posts)in his kitchen in his condo and had a knife when he attacked the FBI agent.
Your speculation is based on "I made some stuff up and want people to buy it."
Here's a thread you might want to read--pay particular attention to this part:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014490723
Ibragim Todashev, who died during the interview with authorities, not only confessed to his direct role in slashing the throats of three people in Waltham, Massachusetts, but also fingered Tsarnaev in the deaths, the official said Wednesday.
Todashev was being questioned about the slayings and his acquaintance with Tsarnaev.
Todashev attacked an FBI agent, who shot him dead, a federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the case told CNN.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)proverbialwisdom
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.htmlhttp://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76016841/
MADem
(135,425 posts)This guy is a real charmer--gets annoyed over the smallest thing, apparently:
...Todashev was being interviewed in the kitchen of his Florida home. He grabbed a knife, which is why fatal force was used, according to a source briefed on the ongoing investigation.
...Todashev had an impending flight from Orlando, via New York and Moscow, to Chechnya, when investigators sought to interview him, according to a source briefed on the ongoing investigation. He was told not to take the flight, the source said.
...In the 2011 Massachusetts triple homicide, the Middlesex County district attorney's office said at the time that the victims and two unknown perpetrators appeared to know each other and that it was not a random crime. No suspects were named then.
...Todashev was arrested this month on a charge of aggravated battery after getting into a fight over a parking spot with a man and his son outside an Orlando mall. The son was taken to a hospital with head injuries, a split upper lip and several teeth knocked out of place, the Orange County Sheriff's Office said in a report.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)"Preliminary information indicates the agent took actions to defend himself," said a federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the case.
"The agent sustained non-life-threatening injuries," FBI spokesman Jason Pack said.[/div
And the guy had admitted he participated with his pal Tamerlan in this crime:
Investigators of the crime reported at the time that the heads of the three victims were pulled back and their throats slit ear to ear with great force. Marijuana was spread over the bodies in a "symbolic gesture," and several thousand dollars in cash was found at the scene.
Todashev told investigators the men were killed during a drug ripoff because he and Tsarnaev were afraid they would be able to identify them and tell police what happened, according to a law enforcement source.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)MA staties and a feeb, either.
This guy knew they were on to him--he was getting ready to leave and go back to Chechnya, and they told him not to get on the plane. He knew he'd be stopped and arrested if he tried to leave; he really had no where to go but on the lam if he could get away from those guys.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He may have, in response to questioning, placed himself in Massachusetts, with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, on or about the date of Sep 11 2011.
Now, we know what happened to three Jews in a Waltham apartment on that very date.
If he flew to MA, there would be a record. Even if he drove, there'd be toll booth photos, unless he took the back roads. If he has an EZPass, it makes tracking him even simpler. There'd be pictures of him at gas stations, fueling up, even if he paid cash. Now that they're looking AT him as a suspect in this murder, they've been looking at his paper trail--his ATM withdrawals, his credit/debit card use, his phone use, even the cellphone towers that his phone pinged off. Anywhere there were cameras near where his cellphone might have pinged, you can be sure the FBI was looking for pictures of this guy. And they've probably been looking at him since they scooped up Tamerlan's computer in the early days of the bombing investigation and found out that he skyped this guy. They've no doubt also been looking at everyone Tamerlan, as well as this guy, ever phoned. All of these forensic records may have told the FBI exactly where he'd been.
If he made a phone call anywhere near a cell tower in Waltham on the night of Sep 11, 2011, and the FBI told him they knew he was in Spot A calling So-and-So on that date, he knew he was in very hot water.
temmer
(358 posts)Now two anonymous "law enforcement officials" claim that Todashev admitted that he and Tsarnaev killed the three drug dealers. Another confession under extremly strange circumstances.
Will Todashev have opportunity to comment on these claims? No - he's dead. Dead man can't tell.
Is there a written confession? Apparently not, because Todashev didn't sign anything if we may believe the early reports.
Does Todashev's alleged behavior (first confessing, than attacking his interrogator with a knife) make any sense? No.
Will Todashev's alleged confession have any influence on the now postponed trial against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? Apparently not, because DT was not involved in the triple killing.
Will this news prevent the DT trial prevent from collapsing in case it turns out that he didn't cause the second bombing? No.
temmer
(358 posts)I'm not cherrypicking here. 90% of the comments are like that:
The FBI will now say he made a death bed confession and so they don't need the statement signed. The judge will go along with it and he will be declared guilty. So, how soon will these statements disappear and a new updated story appear with the same article?
awfully convenient that he was shot before we could hear what he had to say....funny how anyone suspected in this case somehow ends up not being able to talk...
He was in questioning at the FBI, AND STILL HAD A KNIFE ON HIM? Do you really expect us to believe this fairy tail? This doesn't even sound plausible.
If the FBI says so, it must be so. I'm thinking Waco, Texas and the Wounded Knee incident, among others.
You know I am not going to accept these fantastic tales from the police and the FBI. We have just seen the awful event in London. The police shot and only wounded the perpetrator and they will eventually be questioned and put on trial. We get tall tales and dead people never get to tell their side of the story. We can not be so inept, so I can only assume this is just one more cover up and tall tale the government expects me to swallow without thinking. Its and insult to my intelligence.
You are about to get a confession and you KILL the suspect? Then we are just supposed to believe what you say they said? Was the FBI agent alone with the suspect?
I don't know police protocal but why wasn't he checked for a weapon in the 1st place? Seems like poor FBI work to me when a murder and potential terror suspect isnt searched before questioning!!
Soooooooooooo, a room full of various kinds of cops were questioning a murder suspect without patting him down, and were "unable" to restrain him? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Sounds perfectly credible to me.
interviewed earlier in the day.....but at midnight he needed to be interviewed again?....yeah, this is all above board
...and so on...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/ibragim-todashev-confession-tsarnaev-triple-murder_n_3322105.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)to skew more rightward than it used to?
Freepers and all sorts of woo-fans feel welcome there now--so, whatever.
The guy's own WIFE admitted he was in MA around the time of those murders....and the FBI does have the ability to tell where people go based on what towers their cellphones ping on....
But hey, keep calling this guy a poor little innocent who'd never hurt a fly! Never mind the aggravated battery charge against him because he hospitalized a teenager over a parking space in FL, and the Road Rage charge at Downtown Crossing in Boston....he's just a poor, misunderstood fellah who pays his hospital bills -- to the tune of $25K--in cash. Yep!
temmer
(358 posts)Initially, FBI officials said Todashev, 27, became violent and lunged at an agent with a knife while he was being questioned about Tsarnaev and an unsolved 2011 triple murder in the Boston suburb of Waltham. The agent, acting on an "imminent threat," then shot Todashev, they said.
However, later in the day, some of those officials had backed off that preliminary account, and it's no longer clear what happened in the moments before the fatal shooting, The Associated Press reported.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/22403812/fbi-shooting-orlando-moments-before-fatal-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev-still-unclear