Official: Dead Boston bombings suspect involved in 2011 slayings

[Purveyor]

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- Deceased Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev participated in a 2011 gruesome triple homicide outside Boston along with a Chechen killed early Wednesday during a confrontation with the FBI and Massachusetts State Police in Orlando, Florida, a federal law enforcement official told CNN.

Ibragim Todashev, who died during the interview with authorities, not only confessed to his direct role in slashing the throats of three people in Waltham, Massachusetts, but also fingered Tsarnaev in the deaths, the official said Wednesday.

Todashev was being questioned about the slayings and his acquaintance with Tsarnaev.

Todashev attacked an FBI agent, who shot him dead, a federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the case told CNN.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html

[msongs]

1. of course this interview was videoed for legal reasons. umm ok nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. It's been pretty clear that the older Tsarnaev was involved in these homicides

The notion that FBI and Mass State police killed this man without legitimate reason in Orlando is, quite simply, insane.

Fine, whatever. Cue the internet loonies, supposing they haven't shown up already.

[Cha]

7. Toddashev seems like he was awfully handy with knife..

I'm thinking the agent's ability to draw quickly saved his life.

snip***

Todashev was being interviewed in the kitchen of his Florida home. He grabbed a knife, which is why fatal force was used, according to a source briefed on the ongoing investigation.

"Preliminary information indicates the agent took actions to defend himself," said a federal law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the case.

"The agent sustained non-life-threatening injuries," FBI spokesman Jason Pack said

***snip

Not too smart of him to grab a knife in his kitchen though.. no matter how much practice he's had.

[tiny elvis]

13. not too smart versus desperation

what would occam and kafka say?

the bandleader said no
so the next day my father went to see him
only this time with luca brasi

[temmer]

15. that FBI and Mass State police killed this man without legitimate reason in Orlando is insane...

Ahem?

Shall we took a look at the FBI'S history?

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Whatever

Welcome to DU. Say hi to Alex Jones and his Lunatic Weather Machine.

[temmer]

22. NY Times: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I.

The United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.

But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.

*snip*

Typically, the stings initially target suspects for pure speech — comments to an informer outside a mosque, angry postings on Web sites, e-mails with radicals overseas — then woo them into relationships with informers, who are often convicted felons working in exchange for leniency, or with F.B.I. agents posing as members of Al Qaeda or other groups.

Some targets have previous involvement in more than idle talk: for example, Waad Ramadan Alwan, an Iraqi in Kentucky, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded roadside bomb near Bayji, Iraq, and Raja Khan of Chicago, who had sent funds to an Al Qaeda leader in Pakistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?pagewanted=all

[truth2power]

26. The poster expresses doubt about the crediblity of the FBI's story in this case,

given it's penchant for lying and creating fake "terror" plots that they can then solve; and you have to bring Aleex Jones into it.

Why is it necessary to use ridicule to dispute someone's position?

There are an awful lot of things on DU lately, that just can't be discussed...questions that are freely aired on other progressive websites, such as how someone with both legs blown off can be sitting in a wheelchair, with a demeanor that can only be described as "disconsolate".

What could there be to hide?

[samsingh]

17. no reason to disbelieve the FBI in this case

[temmer]

21. ...but a lot of people do...

...and they seem to have reason...look at the comments on Huffington Post...

The FBI will now say he made a death bed confession and so they don't need the statement signed. The judge will go along with it and he will be declared guilty. So, how soon will these statements disappear and a new updated story appear with the same article?

awfully convenient that he was shot before we could hear what he had to say....funny how anyone suspected in this case somehow ends up not being able to talk...

He was in questioning at the FBI, AND STILL HAD A KNIFE ON HIM? Do you really expect us to believe this fairy tail? This doesn't even sound plausible.

If the FBI says so, it must be so. I'm thinking Waco, Texas and the Wounded Knee incident, among others.

You know I am not going to accept these fantastic tales from the police and the FBI. We have just seen the awful event in London. The police shot and only wounded the perpetrator and they will eventually be questioned and put on trial. We get tall tales and dead people never get to tell their side of the story. We can not be so inept, so I can only assume this is just one more cover up and tall tale the government expects me to swallow without thinking. Its and insult to my intelligence.

You are about to get a confession and you KILL the suspect? Then we are just supposed to believe what you say they said? Was the FBI agent alone with the suspect?

I don't know police protocal but why wasn't he checked for a weapon in the 1st place? Seems like poor FBI work to me when a murder and potential terror suspect isnt searched before questioning!!

Soooooooooooo, a room full of various kinds of cops were questioning a murder suspect without patting him down, and were "unable" to restrain him? Hmmmmmmmmmm. Sounds perfectly credible to me.

interviewed earlier in the day.....but at midnight he needed to be interviewed again?....yeah, this is all above board

...and so on...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/ibragim-todashev-confession-tsarnaev-triple-murder_n_3322105.html

[BootinUp]

20. I agree. nt

[Baitball Blogger]

3. So...if the police had solved 2011 crime sooner...

[marshall]

4. Or if they'd known that Russia considered them as terrorists...

Many balls were dropped.

[Old and In the Way]

9. Important thing to consider...

Might there be ulterior purposes for a State to declare a person a terrorist? What if Mexico labeled every "immigrant" a terrorist? Should we/could we deal with that? I'll leave it to the pro's to figure out what potential terrorists we have in this country...I'd consider the motivation of another state in determining whether the person alerted on is a real terrorist.

[marshall]

19. In hindsight we see that Russian sources were accurate

We should consider that in our future responses to their labeling someone on our soil as a terrorist.

[olddad56]

5. next week, they will all be CIA agents.

[jonthebru]

6. It is really fucking hard to believe that

either they weren't prepared for this persons attitude or they were caught off guard and that the Agent just didn't take the knife to keep the clown alive.
There is a training issue here.

[Jenoch]

8. Huh?

"...they were caught off guard and that the Agent just didn't take the knife..."

What exactly do you mean by this?

[rightsideout]

10. Lessons learned

Don't hold an FBI interview in the interviewee's kitchen.

[jakeXT]

11. 'Why are they killing these children without any trial or investigation?'

Shortly before the shooting, Todashev 'had a bad feeling. He felt there's going to be a set-up against him,' Taramov said.

Todashev gave him phone numbers for his mother and father late Monday just in case he got 'locked up.'

'We had a feeling that a worse-case scenario, that something like (a shooting) is going to happen,' Taramov told the television station.

The mother of the Tsarnaev brothers, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, also confirmed that her older son knew Todashev.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329001/Ibragim-Todashev-FBI-agent-fatally-shoots-suspect-Orlando-knew-Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev.html

[samsingh]

18. children? they seem to be horrible monsters

[truedelphi]

27. Based on what? The grainy photos that are not conclusive as to

Their identity. And we hear from a woman in Watertown that the older Tsarnaev Brother was seen taken out of his car and shot and run over by the police.

I always thought that after we let the Big Boogey Men in Power circa Cheney?bush/Rumsfeld, persuade us to wage war on an entire nation based on a lie, that maybe we as a people would wake up. Guess I am too optimistic.

Sibel Edmond, who was once a heroine here on DU, has been saying for years that there would be an event that implicated Chechnians, so that we could either go into that region of the world, or we could use it as a swapping point with Russia (Okay, you can have Chechnia, as long as you leaders in Russia approve of us and Israel taking out Syria, Libya, et al.)

Anyway of the three "Top Suspects" regarding the Boston Marathon Bombing, two are dead and the other conveniently has his larynx removed.

Grainy photos, dead bodies and a man who is hospitalized. Great proof! (Except for the fact that none of it would be evidence were this just a murder trial. Beyond a reasonable doubt - no way does any of this shit base pass the test of being evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.)

[samsingh]

28. i thought OJ was innocent too (i really did)

[truedelphi]

29. I really did too.

Then after the very clear and readily identified photos of how Nicole's face looked after he beat her, well, I changed my mind on that. But I still was glad to know that in this nation, a person gets trial.

We now have a public that is eager to be manipulated. Not onlyin this situation, but look at what went on when Dorner was being slammed in the media. We basically had to take it on the Media's and the LAP Department's word that this man did what he did. I don't want to say I definitely don't believe the media or the LAPD,- but I think it would have been good to have a trial. But Dorner was more than aware that he'd never be allowed his day in court.

[Beacool]

23. Children?

This guy was in his mid twenties. Besides, he already had prior incidents of anger issues.

[jakeXT]

24. So his brain just finished developing

Steinberg, a Temple University psychology professor, helped draft an American Psychological Association brief for a 2005 case in which the U.S. Supreme Court outlawed the death penalty for crimes committed before age 18.

That ruling relies on the most recent research on the adolescent brain, which indicates the juvenile brain is still maturing in the teen years and reasoning and judgment are developing well into the early to mid 20s. It is often cited as state lawmakers consider scaling back punitive juvenile justice laws passed during the 1990s.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3943187&page=1#.UZ40mpywftk

[graham4anything]

12. My sister lives near where that happened. I remember the case.

Glad to see they finally solved it.

And I can't believe the conspiracy theorists are out there again "in the real world".

Amazing that people out there "in the real world" are idolizing these mass killers every single time.

Note, I put "in the real world" in "" as conspiracy theorists are not living in the real world but in their own " " world.

They really are like a cult, and that cult is what killed people in Oklahoma City in the 1990s.
( a negative cult, though are there any positive cults? Is that even possible?)

[truth2power]

14. Right, graham. Believe everything the authorities say, because, well...

they're the authorities and they would never lie.

And you do know that ridicule is a disinformation tactic, don't you?

"Amazing that people out there "in the real world" are idolizing these mass killers every single time."

No one, as far as I know, is 'idolizing' the Tsarneyev brothers. But there are plenty of people who are asking questions about things that just don't make sense about all the events since Apr. 15.

But thanks for your help. No one wants to be thought a conspiracy theorist.

[KareBear]

25. There are quite a few young girls idolizing them because they are "cute"

Sorry for posting a dailymail link. You can google this issue but this seemed to have the most coverage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323342/Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-The-teen-girls-crush-Boston-bomber.html

[Blue_Tires]

30. CNN's accuracy record on this story hasn't been the best

I'll wait until their sources start putting names behind their statements...