Third Letter Sent to President Obama, Similar to NY Mayor Ricin Letters

[onehandle]

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Source: NBC News

A threatening letter was mailed to President Obama that is similar to two letters containing poisonous ricin sent to Mayor Bloomberg and his anti-gun group, officials confirmed Thursday.

The letter, first reported by NBC 4 New York, is being tested for ricin. It was received Wednesday at an off-site facility, and did not reach the White House, according to the Secret Service.

According to law enforcement sources, all three letters were postmarked May 20 in Shreveport, La. and sent without a return address or signature. Sources said the NYPD tried to pull fingerprints off the letter discovered at the city's mail sorting site, but nothing usable was found. Authorities also plan to check for any possible DNA.

It wasn't known if any viable forensic evidence was discovered on the letters sent to Washington or the White House. All three mailings read in part: "You will have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. Anyone wants to come to my house will get shot in the face. The right to bear arms is my constitutional God given right and I will exercise that right till the day I die."

Read more: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Mayor-Mike-Bloomberg-Ricin-Letter-Guns--209504641.html

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Gun Rightists are the America created domestic Al Qaeda.

An amendment, misinterpreted for political gain, has put us all in danger.

[SCVDem]

1. When will the actual hunters speak out

and renounce the radical crap LaPierre keeps shoveling to these nut jobs.

At what point does this become a National Security issue?

As Boehner said, when do people go to jail? (For inciting violence and deadly revolution)

[classykaren]

45. We put Dr Spock in jail for a lot less.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

51. Majority of gun owners don't belong to the NRA

Many hunters have and continue to speak out against the crap LaPierre keeps shoveling, the problem is that the media doesn't report it. There are over 100 million gun owners in the U.S. < 4 million NRA members. It's just not sexy to say "Majority of gun owners think NRA is full of shit." They would rather report on lunatics planning an armed July 4th march on DC. That gets more ears and eyeballs.

[freshwest]

69. +1,000

[Progressive dog]

74. "Majority of gun owners think NRA is full of shit."

I believe you are correct but I'm not sure that it is a very large majority. The NRA influence extends beyond NRA members.

[The Magistrate]

2. I Expect They Will Find This Specimen, Sir: It Will Be Fun

The whole 'law-abiding gun owner' line is in the same class as 'jumbo shrimp': the demands of their fantasy lives as heroic slayers of 'thugs' and resistors to 'tyranny' require them to adopt an attitude of 'bending the rules' and 'defying authorities' in the pinch when the gun is in hand. So their actual attitude to the law is not 'I will obey the law' but rather 'I will decide which laws I will obey', and yet still their own conviction they are righteous and law-abiding people allows them to feel they are not criminally inclined when they harbor the intent to break laws at will, and even to believe that they are not criminals when they actually break laws.

[cosmicone]

5. Very well put. n/t

[premium]

8. I sure hope you're not talking about all gun owners in the country.

The overwhelming majority of gun owners are law abiding and don't harbor fantasies of being "heroic slayer of thugs and resistors to tyranny", that's just ridiculous to think that.

[The Magistrate]

10. When Pious Public Pronouncements, Sir, Conflict With Secret Wishes Of the Heart

It is the latter a man learns to take seriously.

[premium]

13. IOW, you have no proof of what you claim,

only your prejudices towards lawful firearms owners.

[The Magistrate]

17. In Other Words, Sir, You Are Embarrassed To Find Your Veils Have Been Pierced

As the old saw goes "When you throw a stone into a parcel of hogs, the one that squeals is the one you hit."

People should not be embarrassed about their propensities to violence; they should step to them, own them, and even cherish them --- they can be quite useful in the proper circumstances. But people who provision themselves with deadly weapons, and then try and pretend they harbor no desire to use them for their primary purpose, are simply laughable, and even more laughable when they imagine they can convince other people their comic denials are serious and true.

[premium]

20. Despite all the fancy language,

you still have no proof of what you claim, only your prejudices towards lawful firearms owners.

[The Magistrate]

22. And You Have Not Even A Command Of Rhetoric, Sir

Merely lame whimpers that you are the object of bigotry, the last refuge of the cornered on a left board, and the height of wit for a person defending a right-wing position....

[premium]

25. Pointing out the fact that the majority of firearms owners in the country are

law abiding citizens is now a right-wing position?

I must have missed the memo on that.

[The Magistrate]

32. Your Confession Of Failure, Sir, Provides Convenient Occasion To Restate The Hearty Of the Matter

The whole 'law-abiding gun owner' line is in the same class as 'jumbo shrimp': the demands of their fantasy lives as heroic slayers of 'thugs' and resistors to 'tyranny' require them to adopt an attitude of 'bending the rules' and 'defying authorities' in the pinch when the gun is in hand. So their actual attitude to the law is not 'I will obey the law' but rather 'I will decide which laws I will obey', and yet still their own conviction they are righteous and law-abiding people allows them to feel they are not criminally inclined when they harbor the intent to break laws at will, and even believe that they are not criminals when they actually break laws.

[premium]

36. You have still failed to answer the question,

Are you lumping all law abiding firearms owners in this category.
Ya know, usually, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and usually you are spot on, but on this subject, you're, IMHO, completely wrong.

[The Magistrate]

38. You Just Do Not Like The Answer, Sir....

People who provision themselves with deadly weapons, and then try and pretend they harbor no desire to use them for their primary purpose, are simply laughable, and even more laughable when they imagine they can convince other people their comic denials are serious and true.

The whole 'law-abiding gun owner' line is in the same class as 'jumbo shrimp': the demands of their fantasy lives as heroic slayers of 'thugs' and resistors to 'tyranny' require them to adopt an attitude of 'bending the rules' and 'defying authorities' in the pinch when the gun is in hand. So their actual attitude to the law is not 'I will obey the law' but rather 'I will decide which laws I will obey', and yet still their own conviction they are righteous and law-abiding people allows them to feel they are not criminally inclined when they harbor the intent to break laws at will, and even believe that they are not criminals when they actually break laws.

[premium]

41. Yes, there are people like that out there,

but the majority of firearms owners don't harbor those fantasies.
Anyways, keep up the good posts on other subjects, I do enjoy reading them and 99% of the time, do agree with you.

[The Magistrate]

43. Again, Sir

People who provision themselves with deadly weapons, and then try and pretend they harbor no desire to use them for their primary purpose, are simply laughable, and even more laughable when they imagine they can convince other people their comic denials are serious and true.

[premium]

50. I've owned firearms my whole life,

I've carried firearms for the majority of my life, not once did I ever harbor those fantasies, and I very seriously doubt that most firearms owners did also.
We could go on like this to the end of time, neither one of us will budge from our stated positions or beliefs, so, let's just respect each others opinions and call it good, ok? I'll even by a beer for you, enjoy.

[The Magistrate]

59. And I Do Not Trust Your Self-Report Of Your Fantasy Life, Sir

Acknowledging harboring desires for violence remains a deep taboo, and further is a necessary part of the public line of the side of this debate you set yourself to uphold. To acknowledge them would not only undermine your debate position, it would expose you to disparagement and ridicule. People used to maintain with a straight face they bought Playboy for the articles, and I never believed them either.

[premium]

61. Sorry, I should have been more clear,

when I say I carried firearms most of my adult life, I meant in the service of the govt., a stint in the Army, with one tour in Vietnam and then as a USFS Ranger for 30+ years. I still disagree with you that most gun owners harbor fantasies that you describe, but, it's been fun debating with you.
Have a good day.

[brucefan]

62. Give it up Preemie

Your outmatched

[premium]

65. Uh huh.

[The Magistrate]

64. It is True People Who Have Actually Done It Spend Less Time Imagining It, Sir

But I see no reason to leave off a long life's experience of human beings....

[premium]

66. We're just going to have to continue to agree to disagree

on this subject. However, that's not to say I don't respect your opinion, I just disagree with it.

[PatrynXX]

42. I spy a troll

too bad law abiding citizens believe all this nonsense about Govt taking their ammo away. X_X so dads been hoarding his ammo. Like it's worse than trying for the lottery. at least those are $5-10 a ticket. this is like $100-300 a week. Quit scaring people. Thats not law abiding to me.

[premium]

44. I take it you've polled all gun owners in the country

and they all say the same thing, right?
Fact is, it's a tiny minority that think like that, not the majority.
And just what does "I spy a troll" mean? Care to spell it out?

[LanternWaste]

89. Odd. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

"Fact is, it's a tiny minority that think like that, not the majority..."
I take it you too have then polled all gun owners in the country?

Odd. Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Rationalized implied when you do it, yet indicted when others do.

[Anymouse]

78. I am a law-abiding gun owner . . .

. . . and shoot nothing more than dangerous skeet.

I live twenty miles from the sheriff's office, and he only has one deputy and one car. We have wild animals here. I have no interest in the NRA or its wingnuttery.

I take exception at being lumped in with those who spout treasonous nonsense about overthrowing the government. (If the II Amendment were about tyrannical government as the wingnuts in the NRA claims, then why did the framers of the Constitution put a clause in it that calls making war on the government treason?)

[The Magistrate]

83. And Your Point, Sir, Is?

You own a weapon for self-defense, and yet have never imagined using it to shoot someone?

You would abide by any law regulating ownership and transfer of guns and ammunition that might be passed by the legislature and signed by the executive?

Do you vote principally on the issue of 'gun rights'?

[billh58]

31. It's telling when

they attempt to hide behind, and presume to speak for, the "all firearms owners" group as if they are as single-minded as DU gunners, isn't it? The only "group" acting irrationally are the incessant Internet single-issue "they're coming to take our guns" NRA parrots. Polls have shown that most rational gun owners in this nation support sensible gun control.

There are about 15-20 (I haven't bothered to take an actual count) core Gungeoneers on DU who can be counted on to show up on any thread mentioning guns, to relentlessly repeat the same old NRA-slanted statistics and propaganda. It's sad, but highly entertaining.

[The Magistrate]

37. Also Telling, Sir

Is how often their basic line is that laws regulating sale and possession of guns will not be obeyed, and not be obeyed by the very people they stoutly maintain are 'law abiding gun owners'. In other words, they acknowledge my point, and agree with my statement that 'law abiding gun owners' are in fact ready and willing to break the law, though for reasons that remain obscure, they do not acknowledge that claims to be law abiding are obviated by this willingness to break laws.

[billh58]

40. I believe that this

contradiction stems from the same logic which allows Gungeoneers to espouse right-wing, Libertarian positions on a Liberal Democratic discussion site, and yet loudly proclaim themselves to be Democrats.

[Progressive dog]

73. You're right except there is no logic to what they do nt

[Kingofalldems]

90. I might add they show up to all Zimmerman threads

[Progressive dog]

72. Nicely put

[clarice]

76. Very unfair. nt

[The Magistrate]

84. Accurate Description Often Is, Ma'am

The whole 'law-abiding gun owner' line is in the same class as 'jumbo shrimp': the demands of their fantasy lives as heroic slayers of 'thugs' and resistors to 'tyranny' require them to adopt an attitude of 'bending the rules' and 'defying authorities' in the pinch when the gun is in hand. So their actual attitude to the law is not 'I will obey the law' but rather 'I will decide which laws I will obey', and yet still their own conviction they are righteous and law-abiding people allows them to feel they are not criminally inclined when they harbor the intent to break laws at will, and even believe that they are not criminals when they actually break laws.

[clarice]

96. It just seemed stereotypical to me. I hate stereotypes. nt

[DainBramaged]

3. Mmmm take ma gunz I killz ya, mmmmmmm

assholes, neanderthals, plankton

[freshwest]

71. Hey, hey. I take objection to the term 'plankton.' Mindless, but essential to the marine food chain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankton

[GreenStormCloud]

4. I hope he is found, arrested, tried, convicted, sentenced and serves life in a federal pen.

I am pessimistic about him being found. Anonymous mail is impossible to track to an individual if the person used basic precautions.

[The Magistrate]

7. Thought About This Kind Of Thing, Have You, Sir?

Sounds rather like your real hope is that he gets away with it, to demonstrate the indomitable will of 'law-abiding gun owners' to defy any laws regulating their fetish obsessions....

[billh58]

11. +100

Here they come...

[premium]

14. -1000. nt.

[GreenStormCloud]

24. You make a false allegation against me.

I simply know that postal crimes are extremely hard to solve.

From 1976 to 1978 I was a U.S. Navy Postal Officer.

[The Magistrate]

29. I Draw A Not Unreasonable Inference, Sir, From Your Body Of Commentary Here

And investigative technique has advanced somewhat in the past several decades....

[GreenStormCloud]

46. I hope that you are right, or that he made some stupid error.

Yes, I strongly support RKBA and have a CHL (Concealed Handgun License) and routinely carry when I am our and about. That does not mean that I want to shoot someone, but am prepared to defend myself if needed. I have two fire extinguishers in the house and one in the trunk of each car, but that doesn't mean that I consider myself a fireman. (However, I have twice used the car fire extinguishers when I happened, by pure luck, to be at the right place when needed.) If I go my life without ever having to defend myself with a gun, I will be happy. I have retreated from a situation that was starting to look like it could go bad, and am still glad I left.

CHL holders, as a group, have far lower rate of criminal convictions that the general public, in the state of Texas. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/reports/convrates.htm There is no reason to believe that any other state has a different experience if their requirements for CCW are similar.

[The Magistrate]

54. What Gets Brought To Bear, Sir, In A Direct Attack On the President, Should Rope Him In

There is nothing really to engage in the rest of this.

A fire extinguisher is not a pistol.

A person who considers it necessary to go armed at all or nearly all times perceives the world in so distorted a manner that his judgement cannot be trusted, and the likelihood he can be reached by reason is vanishingly slim.

[Progressive dog]

75. That conviction rate in Texas is really persuasive

We should make these damn felons get a CHL or not break laws. Maybe we could pass a law about it in Texas.

[hrmjustin]

6. Hope they catch the SOB!

[premium]

12. +1000.

Hopefully Fed/State/Local LE can track this nut down and throw his ass in prison for the rest of their miserable life.

[billh58]

9. This is to be

expected from the state with the highest gun death rate in the nation. Since 46% of Louisiana households have a gun, the odds of finding this particular gun nut are not that great.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/06/gunfire_death_rate_in_louisian.html

On the flip side, it just might be easier to find the gunners in LA who know what ricin is, and can spell it. That should eliminate a large percentage of potential suspects.

[frylock]

15. keep up the good work, gunfuckers

[premium]

16. Gunfuckers?

Awesome. That's............................deep.

[frylock]

19. yes, gunfuckers. if you take exception to my characterization of someone..

that would send poisoned letters to the prez, then you may need to do a little soul searching there, n00b.

[premium]

21. nOOb?

Is that supposed to be an insult of some kind?

[frylock]

23. i give you another week, tops..

enjoy your short stay.

[premium]

28. Uh huh.

I see you didn't answer the question pending, is the term nOOb supposed to be some kind of an insult?

[frylock]

63. what the fuck do you think?

bugger off.

[premium]

67. When you've got nothing,

resort to insults.
Thanks for clarifying it.
Have a good day.

[billh58]

81. This one is

still wearing Gungeon training wheels, and it's responses are limited.

[frylock]

86. clearly..

our dear Magistrate has made mincemeat out of this one.

[premium]

91. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure he has.

[premium]

92. Look at the pot call the kettle black.

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Thank you for proving my point.

[Doctor_J]

18. returning the bipartisanship

the chess game doesn't work on mouth breathers

[Kingofalldems]

26. And many gun fanciers are cheering him on I'm sure.

[premium]

33. This gun owner hopes they catch and hammer him hard,

and anyone else involved in this heinous act. Where the hell does one get Ricin in the first place?

[GreenStormCloud]

48. It comes from Castor beans.

Easily home produced.

[premium]

53. That's just great.

Is Ricin considered a WMD?

[geek tragedy]

27. Republicans literally fear their base. The gun humpers and immigrant bashers

carry in their hearts violent fantasies.

[Enrique]

30. ricin letters are covered by the 2nd Amendment

this is all perfectly legal.

[onehandle]

34. True. Arms are arms. nt

[Progressive dog]

82. Only if the ricin is mixed with gunpowder and

then they can claim it's a cosmetic feature.

[Auntie Bush]

35. Anyone who is for gun control better check his mail first. Those bastards are evil!

They should be charged with attempted murder. Hope they find them, charge them and set a good example.

[premium]

39. Isn't Ricin considered a WMD?

If so, then the perp can be charged with terrorism, among many other charges.

[Auntie Bush]

49. Let's hope it was ReThug Senator and he get's caught. One less foolish ReThug Senator.

[premium]

52. That would be..............

the optimum solution.

[Ganja Ninja]

47. $10 bucks the sender is also a tea party member and a "Christian".

And also a Republican activist and former candidate along with a suspected or convicted pedophile with pending DUI and/or spousal abuse charges

[premium]

57. You forgot as a child, he tortured and killed dogs and cats,

which, sadly, is probably close to the truth.

[Kingofalldems]

55. I wonder what his Cave handle is.

[AmBlue]

56. I hate that we call them "Enthusiasts"...

It sounds so innocuous and the cretin(s) that are capable of this are far from innocuous.

[onehandle]

58. I used 'enthusiasts' as a euphemism back when DU wouldn't allow us to call them gun nuts.

But the last years of gun insanity changed that.

Gun nuttery is out of control.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

60. I agree, all gun humpers have this in them.

That's why they get off on stockpiling weapons designed and meant to kill.

[tofuandbeer]

68. Such a brave act: sending annoymous poisoned letters.

Cowards.

[Jennicut]

70. Actually stupid as well as nobody like a mayor of NYC or President opens their own mail.

But yes, cowardly to attack secretaries/aides that open the mail.

[tofuandbeer]

95. True.

[greiner3]

77. "Third Letter Sent to President Obama..."

And cue 'doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result is the hallmark of insanity'.

[freshwest]

79. These RWNJs hope to have the same effect as the anthrax mailings did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

The purpose is intimidation and heightened public awareness, although government will not overreact this time, IMO.

[Fearless]

80. Who is dumb enough

To think that the President opens his own mail?

I mean seriously.

Tea Party educated moron.

[Sunlei]

85. spawning these dingbat-crazies is how republican-nra creates work/jobs for the FBI

If the nra and republicans didn't spread the lie "presidents gonna take your guns away' the conservative swamp monsters would lead more productive, positive lives.

[Anymouse]

87. It could be prosecuted as treason . . .

. . . if they can find two witnesses that will testify in open court to such a dastardly plan (even if nonsensical) as this one. Conveying dangerous substances through the US Mail and premeditated attempted murder ought to get him put away for a long time making big rocks into little rocks, and little rocks into sand.

[Cha]

88. Cowardly chickenshits.. of course they did.

thanks for the post, onehandle

[Pragdem]

93. Everyone that loves guns is capable of this kind of terror.

P.S. I am aware that I'm painting with a broad brush.

I apologize.

Couldn't find the paint roller.

[premium]

94. Anyone is capable of this kind of terror,

whether they love guns or not.