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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri May 31, 2013, 11:08 AM May 2013

Turkish police tear gas anti-government protesters

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Turkish police fired tear gas and water cannon on Friday at protesters occupying a park in central Istanbul, wounding scores including tourists in the harshest crackdown so far on days of anti-government unrest.

The protest at Gezi Park started late on Monday after developers tore up trees but has widened into a broader demonstration against Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan's Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP).

Friday's violence erupted after a dawn police raid on demonstrators who had camped for days in the park in anger at plans to build a shopping mall. Clouds of tear gas rose around the area in Taksim Square, long a venue for political protest.

Broken glass and rocks were strewn across a main shopping street. A group of primary school children ran crying from the tear gas while tourists caught by surprise scurried to get back to luxury hotels lining the square.

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/31/uk-turkey-protests-idUKBRE94U0JA20130531

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Turkish police tear gas anti-government protesters (Original Post) dipsydoodle May 2013 OP
Washington Post report has more details happyslug May 2013 #1
Everupne doesn't like a mall. nt kelliekat44 May 2013 #2
But it looks like an effort to Rebuild the original barracks that stood where the park is happyslug May 2013 #3
And put a shopping mall in the ground floor (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #12
This is the Arab spring Turkish style rastaone Jun 2013 #4
Istanbul is awake at 3AM !!! rastaone Jun 2013 #5
Seems there is a media blackout of the protests in Turkey rastaone Jun 2013 #6
Turkey protests: Unrest rages in Istanbul and Ankara dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #7
Lady in red who started Istanbul protests Bosonic Jun 2013 #8
Turkey protests: PM Erdogan defiant as clashes rage Bosonic Jun 2013 #9
Prostesters remain defiant on 5th day, despite police brutality on Istanbul's iconic İstiklal Avenue FarCenter Jun 2013 #10
The police were much nicer to some pro-Islamist protestors a couple of weeks ago when I was there Recursion Jun 2013 #11
I think that's because the pro-Islamist protesters are perceived as more aligned with Erdogan riderinthestorm Jun 2013 #20
For the moment, calm and good-natured in Istanbul Bosonic Jun 2013 #13
For the moment. joshcryer Jun 2013 #14
It's not live anymore (for some reason). Bosonic Jun 2013 #15
And now it seems to be live again! Bosonic Jun 2013 #16
Not that calm, from a BBC report muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #17
At the time of my comment the Polis had mostly withdrawn from the square Bosonic Jun 2013 #18
At least one protester run over by a water cannon in Ankara muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #19
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
1. Washington Post report has more details
Fri May 31, 2013, 04:34 PM
May 2013

Last edited Fri May 31, 2013, 05:22 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/05/31/a-guide-to-whats-going-on-in-istanbuls-gezi-park/

The Actual Park:



In computer translation "Gezi" is translated in "Travel", here is Turkish WIKIPEDIA site on the park:
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksim_Gezi_Park%C4%B1


This park is in Taksim Square, which is located in the "New" part of Istanbul (i.e. outside the old walls of Constantinople):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksim_Square

Side note: The general consensus among historians was Constantinople was smaller then Rome till after the Sacking of Rome by the Vandals in 450 AD (and Rome may have been larger till Justinian made his effort to reconquer Italy starting after 520 AD). During the subsequent Italian wars the population of Rome fell to Zero, with many of the residents moving to Constantinople, making it the largest city in the world. Constantinople would remain the largest city in the world till 1204, when the Fourth Crusade took it by storm (It was replaced by Baghdad in that regard after 1204, but Baghdad itself was sacked by the Mongols in 1258, who pointed out Baghdad was the largest city they had ever taken, which included taking Chinese Cities, and Baghdad till after 1204 saw itself as #2 to Constantinople).

By the time of the Turkish conquest of Constantinople, its population was a shadow of what it had been, huge areas in the cities had become open fields with people moving to small towns within what had been the largest city in the world. Some increase in population occurred under the first years of Turkish rule, but the actual area where people lived stayed within the old city walls till the 1700s. The movement outside the walls in the 1700s was more to get areas where horses and artillery could be trained with then any real increase in population (in fact the location of this park was originally Artillery barracks). The population of Istanbul probably did not exceed the population of 1204 Constantinople till the late 1800s. Thus you have new areas of Istanbul, like Taksim, that were outside the Ancient Walls of Constantinople and tend to be more "Turkish" then the older sections of Istanbul.

Please note, even during the Byzantine Empire the area where this park is located was populated. Its population changed, as did the population of Constantinople changed (and seems to have DROPPED in population after the Turkish Conquest in 1453, till Istanbul expanded back into this area in the 1700s).

More on this part of Istanbul across the Golden Horn from the Bzyantine City of Constanople.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyo%C4%9Flu
 

rastaone

(57 posts)
4. This is the Arab spring Turkish style
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 02:59 AM
Jun 2013
:large

What started as a demonstration about a park is turning into a nationwide anit govt protest. Keep an eye on this
 

rastaone

(57 posts)
6. Seems there is a media blackout of the protests in Turkey
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 03:46 AM
Jun 2013

On the left side is whats happening in the streets on the right is what the media is showing.

:large

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
7. Turkey protests: Unrest rages in Istanbul and Ankara
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 04:27 AM
Jun 2013

Turkey is entering a second day of violent protests, with fresh clashes between police and demonstrators in Istanbul and the capital, Ankara.

The protest began as a sit-in over plans to redevelop Gezi Park in Istanbul's Taksim Square, but escalated after police used tear gas.

Tear gas was again fired on Saturday as hundreds of protesters tried to cross a Bosphorus bridge in Istanbul.

In Ankara, protesters tried to march on the parliament.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22739423

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
8. Lady in red who started Istanbul protests
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jun 2013

A decent-looking and brave Turkish woman in red. And a police spraying pepper directly on her face. This is how all started.

A small-scale demonstration that has started with a dozen people has morphed into a nationwide protest, with violent clashes in many Turkish cities and major streets in Turkey’s financial center İstanbul.

The saga has started when several people gathered in Gezi Park of Taksim Square at the heart of İstanbul, protesting the demolition of trees in an area earlier authorities said will become a venue for a shopping mall. As the police violently dispersed the protesters for three days, the group swelled further and has gone beyond what was a modest protest earlier this week.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his advisers obviously misread the situation, believing that the protest is a marginal rally staged by those who already distaste the government’s many policies. “We decided to do this and we will move forward,” Erdoğan said on Wednesday, further escalating tensions.

http://www.todayszaman.com/blogNewsDetail_getNewsById.action?newsId=317117

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
9. Turkey protests: PM Erdogan defiant as clashes rage
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 07:56 AM
Jun 2013

Turkey's PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan has vowed to press ahead with a controversial park redevelopment that has sparked violent clashes.

Mr Erdogan said he would not yield to "wild extremists" and urged an end to the protests.

Clashes over Gezi Park in Istanbul began on Friday and continued there and in the capital, Ankara, on Saturday.

Correspondents say the local issue has spiralled into more widespread anger over perceived "Islamisation".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22740282

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
10. Prostesters remain defiant on 5th day, despite police brutality on Istanbul's iconic İstiklal Avenue
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 08:23 AM
Jun 2013
The Turkish police's crackdown targeting the demonstrators protesting the demolition of Taksim Gezi Park continued on June 1, as clashes broke out in Istanbul's symbolic Istiklal Avenue and the Beşiktaş district on the European side of the city.

Security forces used tear gas and water cannons this morning to quell protesters who had gathered on İstiklal Avenue, as well as its sidestreets. When the police fired the water and gas, protesters tried to escape from the narrow streets leading to the Cihangir neighborhood.

Between 4,000 and 5,000 protesters gathered again after the police's first intervention. However police fired once again, entering the pedestrian street with a water cannon riot vehicle. Some protesters made barricades with trees and bins about 100 meters from Saint Anthony's Church, near Galatasaray Square. Around an hour later the police destroyed the barricade and protesters escaped into sidestreets.
...
Crowds also crossed the Bosphorus Bridge to the European side in the early morning hours of June 1, seeking to reach Taksim Square. However, their route was blocked by police who again fired tear gas and water cannon near the Beşiktaş district.

The heart of Istanbul's entertainment area had turned into a battlefield during the late hours of May 31, as security forces staged a merciless crackdown on peaceful protesters who were gathered to denounce the brutal dawn raid against demonstrators occupying Gezi Park.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/prostesters-remain-defiant-on-5th-day-despite-police-brutality-on-istanbuls-iconic-istiklal-avenue.aspx?pageID=238&nID=48009&NewsCatID=341

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. The police were much nicer to some pro-Islamist protestors a couple of weeks ago when I was there
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 11:37 AM
Jun 2013

Go figure...

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
20. I think that's because the pro-Islamist protesters are perceived as more aligned with Erdogan
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jun 2013

and his party. The police may have been directed to go leniently on them. That may even be part of the problem - if the anti-Erdogan protestors believe there hasn't been a fair hand by the government in protesting that would certainly add another spark to the smoldering kindling....



Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
15. It's not live anymore (for some reason).
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jun 2013

It's daylight in the video(s) now, so from earlier in the day.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
17. Not that calm, from a BBC report
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 04:11 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22742047

He says the police starting using tear gas and water cannon on what had been a good-natured protest until then.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
18. At the time of my comment the Polis had mostly withdrawn from the square
Sat Jun 1, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

The gassy/violent period was earlier in the day.

If you check out the link now, you'll see it is (currently) calmer.

Of course, this is only Istanbul, I think Ankara was actually worse, but no coverage I'm aware of.

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