Israelis: Iran Behind Bangkok Bombings, 'Coordinated Attacks' Around the World

[Zorro]

The failed bomb attack by an Iranian national in Bangkok today is just the latest in what Israeli officials say is "a coordinated series of attacks" that began in January, and includes Monday's attacks in India and Georgia, as well as a foiled attempt to assassinate the Israeli ambassador in Azerbaijan.

In Tuesday's bombing, an Iranian named Saeid Moradi was in a Bangkok house when a cache of explosives detonated, apparently by accident, taking off a section of the roof.

Thai police say that Moradi, wounded by the explosion, tried to flag down a cab on the street. "He was covered in blood, and the driver refused to take him," said Police General Pansiri Prapawat.

Moradi then allegedly threw a grenade at the taxi and started running. When he tried to hurl a second grenade at police, the bomb bounced off a tree. It exploded near Moradi and took off his legs. Police will interview him as soon as they are able in order to determine what he was plotting to attack.

More at: http://news.yahoo.com/israelis-iran-behind-bangkok-bombings-coordinated-attacks-around-150647081--abc-news.html

[teddy51]

1. Maybe, and Israel was behind the killing of Iranian Engineer's! What did Israel

expect was going to happen when they started killing Iranian's?

[Behind the Aegis]

6. Was there proof?

[teddy51]

7. Nope, but is there proof Iran was behind any of the recent incidents against Israel? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

8. I didn't say there was. You are the one making a claim.

[teddy51]

9. I'm not making the claim, but Netanyahu is according to this link. ----->

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002307248

[Behind the Aegis]

11. Yes you did.

Your post, the very FIRST one in the thread:

Maybe, and Israel was behind the killing of Iranian Engineer's! What did Israel

expect was going to happen when they started killing Iranian's?

You accused Israel of killing the Iranian, and almost justify the attack against the Israelis because you claim they killed the Iranian.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

25. did you catch that little word "maybe"?

[Behind the Aegis]

28. The "maybe" was about Iran. So he thinks "maybe" Iran did it...

...but "knows" Israel is guilty.

[shaayecanaan]

26. I think it almost certain that Iran was responsible for these attacks...

equally, I think that Israel was responsible for the attacks on the Iranian scientists. The fact that Iran chose exactly the same method (sticky bomb-wielding motorcyclists) indicates fairly clearly that they intended this as a direct retaliation for Israel's assassinations.

[bemildred]

27. Me too.

It seems less screwy than the other ideas I've seen floated.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. You don't think this could be the actions of another country or group?

The same method could also be seen as a MO and thereby implicate Iran in the scientist killing (or another group all together).

[shaayecanaan]

34. I think that the idea of Iran killing its own nuclear scientists...

is as screwy as the idea of Israel killing its own diplomats.

There is a tendency amongst people of all political stripes to practice selective scepticism. Left-leaning people might be sceptical that Iran was behind these attacks as they are wary of the US being dragged into another war.

Pro-Israel types often practice selective scepticism to a ridiculous degree. For example, many allege that there is plausible doubt as to whether Israel has nuclear weapons or whether it was responsible for the 2009 hit on the Hamas leader in Dubai, notwithstanding the frankly incontrovertible evidence in favour of both those propositions.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. Iran would kill a traitor or a whistleblower.

I think left-leaning people are sceptical because they are blinded by their own bias and prejudice against Israel and the US, which is why any attack againts an Arab group is always Israel and/or the US being responsible and any attack against Israel or the US is always false flag.

I have never seen any "incontrovertible evidence" in the Hamas killing. Their Barny Fife-like investigator still has yet to release the damning proof, but it is again the hallmark of the far left-leaning, Israel: guilty, until proved innocent, and then still guilty because they bought someone off!

[shaayecanaan]

41. And you're not blinded by your own bias and prejudice?

The Dubai killing was carried out by around a dozen individuals of broadly Eastern European appearance, all of whom held passports of people who were residents of Israel.

Obviously, given the target was a Hamas militiaman it was always plausible that Israel was behind the killing. However the fact that all of the assassins carried the passports of dual Israeli nationals meant that it was highly implausible that anyone else could have been responsible.

Investigations by Australian, British and Irish authorities all resolved that Israel was responsible for the assassination.

Additionally, the head of Mossad tacitly apologised to Britain last year for using British passports in the hit.

I suppose there comes a time when you have to ask yourself if the above does not suffice as evidence that Israel ordered the hit, what would?

[Behind the Aegis]

42. Are you sure you are not blinded by your bias and prejudice?

However the fact that all of the assassins carried the passports of dual Israeli nationals meant that it was highly implausible that anyone else could have been responsible.

No, that doesn't change the "plausibility" at all.

Investigations by Australian, British and Irish authorities all resolved that Israel was responsible for the assassination.

I have yet to see a single report which would substantiate your claim. I have seen those governments "specualte" it was Israel, but nothing in the way of facts.

Additionally, the head of Mossad tacitly apologised to Britain last year for using British passports in the hit.

Didn't see this either, what I saw was a diplomatic move because of what was happening in the UK because they, like so many when it comes to Israel, already found Israel "guilty." In their minds, facts and proof aren't needed if Israel is implicated.

I suppose what would suffice for me is actual evidence, you know, PROOF, not SPECUALTION and INNUENDO.

[shaayecanaan]

43. This is the same logic used by holocaust deniers...

you simply raise the standard of proof so high that no evidence will ever suffice for establishing that something is true.

So in your eyes, the fact that the assassins all used the passports of dual Israeli nationals is simply "speculation". So is the fact that Israel has fraudulently obtained New Zealand, Canadian, and British passports previously.

No doubt you believe that there are plenty of outfits out there able to obtain the passports of Israelis at will, in the same way that David Irving believes that all those people in mass graves were simply victims of the flu.

Then of course there is the fact that most Israelis accept that the operation was carried out by Mossad. I suppose we should add them to your global anti-semitic conspiracy of people who carry out acts like this just to embarrass Israel?

[Behind the Aegis]

45. Not even close and your comparision is disgusting, but an expected tactic.

The standard of proof is the same as for everyone. Proof and facts are needed, not spueculation and innuendo. Your logic is the same as a right-wing fundemenatalist, just the "actor" is different. If something bad happens, and they can only find cicumstanstial proof, if even that, then it is the work of Satan. You simply replace "Satan did it," with "Israel did it."

So in your eyes, the fact that the assassins all used the passports of dual Israeli nationals is simply "speculation". So is the fact that Israel has fraudulently obtained New Zealand, Canadian, and British passports previously.

No doubt you believe that there are plenty of outfits out there able to obtain the passports of Israelis at will, in the same way that David Irving believes that all those people in mass graves were simply victims of the flu.

Classic strawman bullshit.

Then of course there is the fact that most Israelis accept that the operation was carried out by Mossad. I suppose we should add them to your global anti-semitic conspiracy of people who carry out acts like this just to embarrass Israel?

More strawman bullshit!

Don't claim to use logic, when you don't use it properly. Don't you EVER compare me to a Holocaust Denier again! Your post is beyond disgusting!

[shaayecanaan]

46. "and they can only find cicumstanstial proof"

Circumstantial proof is still proof. If my jilted ex-wife was found lying in a pool of blood, and the key used to get into her apartment was one to which only I reasonably had access, then I would expect to be charged, and probably convicted of her murder.

Don't you EVER compare me to a Holocaust Denier again! Your post is beyond disgusting!

The comparison I made was quite appropriate. Where holocaust deniers come unstuck is when they attempt to offer an alternative explanation for the camps and the graves, and they invariably descend into some nonsense about video footage being faked with faux-cadavers made out of latex.

With that in mind, I put the same challenge to you. Who performed the hit in Dubai in 2010, if not Israel?

Naturally, I suppose you apply the same exacting standard of proof to Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program. Is there any proof that this exists or is it simply speculation?

[Behind the Aegis]

47. And you provide yet another ignorant, offensive, logic-free post.

Circumstantial proof is still proof. If my jilted ex-wife was found lying in a pool of blood, and the key used to get into her apartment was one to which only I reasonably had access, then I would expect to be charged, and probably convicted of her murder.

"Circumstantial proof" is used to make reasonable assumptions, but it can lead to false positives, as well as indicate misdirection. If this is all that is there, then I find it unconvincing. Let's see some direct evidence. You have still yet to provide a single shred.

The comparison I made was quite appropriate. Where holocaust deniers come unstuck is when they attempt to offer an alternative explanation for the camps and the graves, and they invariably descend into some nonsense about video footage being faked with faux-cadavers made out of latex.

No, it wasn't appropriate, it was offensive and, like your other posts, more logical fallacies. Unlike you, I am not spinning absurd scenarios, even if yours are based on all this "circumstanstial evidence" you have yet to provide. When you realized you had nothing, you used an offensive tactic by implying I was a Holocaust Denier, or rather thinking like one, and you know I am Jewish. This is NO different than saying a Black person is thinking or acting like a Klucker!

As for your challenge, fuck if I know. I only have theories, not direct proof; like you. However, unlike you, I haven't found anyone "guilty." And, as for Iran's weapon's program, from what I read they have the capablities, yet that doesn't mean they have started, are in progress, or completed any nuclear weapons program. I have yet to see anything that makes me believe Iran has even started a program, much less completed one.

That is the second time you have compared me to a Holocaust denier, and it simply shows how desperate and to what disgusting levels your posts will sink to in order to defame Israel or anyone you see as "defending" Israel. Furthermore, you remember you are the one throwing out the red herrings of the Holocaust and anti-Semitism not one single poster has included these in their posts/arguments, yet you used them against me and therefore, did what you claim pro-Israelis do all the time, "conflate Israel with the Holocaust and/or Jews." I did no such thing. YOU DID! It was offensive and further demonstrated the weakness of your arguments, which were already piss-poor as eveidenced by your continued use of strawman arguments and other fallacies.

[shaayecanaan]

49. Well, at least it got you beyond your normal one-sentence response...

by implying I was a Holocaust Denier, or rather thinking like one, and you know I am Jewish.

I did not imply in any way that you were a holocaust denier. If I subscribed to your style of rhetoric, then I would immediately label that as a strawman tactic.

I merely remarked upon the tendency for people to adopt a solipsistic attitude towards propositions that they would prefer not to believe.

So for example, an Elvis fan wants to believe that Elvis is still alive, and therefore discounts perfectly valid evidence that he is in fact dead, and seizes on vague and illusory signs that he might be alive.

There is a commonality between this sort of scepticism and holocaust denial, in that they are both completely misguided positions. On the other hand, there are clear differences. Believing that Elvis is still alive is a relatively harmless sentiment. Believing that the holocaust did not happen is something altogether more malevolent.

Similarly, in this case, I would not pretend that denying that Israel has nuclear weapons, or that it has been involved in passport fraud, or that it is currently clearing Bedouin off their land in order to build Jews-only settlements, is a belief system that is equal to holocaust denial in terms of its malevolence. But it is equally misguided.

[24601]

44. Any anyone who is gay - if they had any - but A-N has of course told us that

Iran has no gay people.

[sulphurdunn]

10. The israeli government

is making just such a claim. Although there is no proof per se, it would not be unreasonable to infer that a country constantly threatening war with another over alleged nuclear weapons development would be squeamish about murdering that country's nuclear scientists or that the offended nation would retaliate for it.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. I am not the Israeli government.

[teddy51]

13. "I am not the Israeli government." So what's your point? n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

14. You "implied" I made the claim. I didn't.

Edit: corrected sentence

[sulphurdunn]

18. Neither am I.

What does that have to do with who can "prove" who kills whom and why?

[Behind the Aegis]

31. Go back and read the orginal post, therein lies your answer.

[Purveyor]

19. Could have fooled me. eom

[fascisthunter]

23. could have fooled many of us

[Kingofalldems]

2. Looks like somebody wants war with Iran

I bet the PNACers are salivating.

[teddy51]

4. I figure that Israel is trying very hard to justify an attack on Iran. n/t

[MrBig]

48. I don't really understand this

So if Israel targets Iranians, its a clear indication that Israel wants war with Iran. If Iran targets Israelis its...a clear indication that Israel wants war with Iran?

It seems that you've drawn the conclusion first and are just confirming that conclusion based on the facts, rather than vice versa.

[dipsydoodle]

3. Here we go

Israel says.................

[jakeXT]

5. It's a good thing terrorists always carry their magic passports

[Purveyor]

21. Report: Israel's Mossad Still Using Foreign Passports In Undercover Operations

Speak of...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11345001

[ronnie624]

39. Very interesting. Thanks for posting. n/t

[Mojorabbit]

15. I have a hard time with this. I remember the babies in the incubator lies

I have no doubt that a reason for war can be easily manufactured or that events can be set up to move public opinion towards that goal.

[Poll_Blind]

16. Hard time believing these amateurish murderers are state-sponsored terrorists. nt

PB

[provis99]

17. that's what happens when you buy your grenades from Acme.

[AverageJoe90]

20. TBH, this is quite possible. The Iranians do have proxies, you know.

.....although that doesn't absolve the fact that Israel has committed its own dubious actions at times.

[fascisthunter]

22. Israel, do you really think Iran is going to attack you...

...when they know you have enough nukes to turn their country into a glass parking lot? STFU!

[Douglas Carpenter]

24. I find these accusations by the Israeli government to be most suspicious indeed

It's not that the Iranian state is morally incapable of such wrong doing. It just doesn't seem all that plausible they they would at this time be engaging in these amateurish actions which they are bright enough to know would only politically strengthen the hands of the Israelis at a time when Israeli threats of possible attacks are boiling over. What would the Iranian's have to gain by all of this? What do the Israelis have to gain by blaming the Iranians for these attacks?

[Behind the Aegis]

32. "What would the Iranian's have to gain by all of this? "

They get to attack Israel by proxy and everyone still blames Israel, like in this and almost every other thread here. There is a distinct possibility this is another group involved, neither working at the behest of Israel nor Iran. Of course, Israel was going to blame Iran; it even shored up their cause by the attacker being Iranian. That isn't what happened in Iran when the scientist was killed, but noone had any issue blaming Israel, and still do, sans proof, other than hate, distrust, and dislike of Israel.

[Douglas Carpenter]

37. the Iranian regime is not totally unaware how things play out on the international scene

They realize that American or European governments are not going to be blaming the Israelis. In fact given Iran's isolation - I suspect few in the Arab Middle East are going to blame the Israelis for these particular actions either. Iran has already replaced Israel as the number one suspect for nefarious activities in the minds of most Middle Eastern governments and even media. The Iranians certainly know this. They would be well aware that botched attacks like this would only contribute to the case for rallying anti-Iranian sentiments and supporting military strikes against them. I cannot say it is impossible that Iran was involved. But I doubt it. I don't think it is likely that Israeli intelligence is involved in carrying out these actions either. But there is no serious doubt that both American and Israeli intelligence services are supporting groups inside Iran that are hostile to the regime.

[Behind the Aegis]

38. We shall see how this plays out.

I know the Iranian government is pretty reviled in the Arab Middle East, with a few exceptions. But, like I said, there are already opinions flying around how this is an Israeli false-flag and is being used to drum up support for an attack and therefore, yet more proof of how evil Israel is. Personally, I think the Iranian government may be involved, more so than the Israelis, but I also look at this as possible non-state actors involving themselves in order to escalate tensions and possibly destroy any chance of talks.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. I have a hard time imagining

what Iran could possibly think it could gain from this sort of activity.

Color me a little sceptical.

[shaayecanaan]

35. I have a hard time imagining what they could gain from most of their antics lately...

they have managed to alienate both the Chinese and the Russians, who have both signed off on sanctions against Iran. By contrast, both of them refused to agree to sanctions on Syria. Assad the younger might not be quite as bright as his father (Bill Clinton said that Assad Snr was the cleverest leader he'd ever met) but he's no dummy either.

I thought the moves by the Supreme Leadership to rig the elections in favour of Ahmadinejad were stupid in the extreme. He probably would have won anyway, but had he been turfed out he would have robbed the US and Israelis of the best excuse that they had for attacking Iran. Had he been voted out it also would have underlined the uncomfortable notion that there is a democratic process in Iran, however flawed.

Now of course Ahmadinejad is out of favour with the Supreme Leadership, which frankly makes me question their judgment in the first place.

I don't think that Israel gains much from their terrorist attacks in Iran, particularly when you consider how upset the US was when Israel used US passports to recruit Iranian terrorists. Given the extent of unemployment in Iran no sane scientist will knock back a public sector job, no matter how many of them Israel kills.

But I have no problem with believing Iran would be stupid enough to do something like this. I suppose that staging these acts in largely irrelevant countries like Georgia and Thailand contains the damage somewhat, but it is a stupid idea anyway.

[BlueMTexpat]

40. One Iranian does not state sponsorship

of terrorism make.

But the Netanyahu faction and the even more radical RWers in Israel are certainly trying to make it seem like that. And there are too many people in the US who will fall for it because their mouths begin frothing whenever Iran is mentioned, just as those same people led us into war with Iraq because they had an atavistic response to the mention of Saddam Hussein.

There was much more reason to consider Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan as state sponsors of terrorism after 9-11. But, as history has shown, none of those countries was invaded.

Not that I believe that any of them should have been. But, if one follows the prevailing neocon logic (or what passes for it), if one Iranian is ever inculpated for anything anywhere, the whole country should be reduced to rubble.