Washington Warns Snowden May Only Travel to the US (Jay Carney WH Spokesman statement)

[big_dog]

Source: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/13

The White House warned on Monday that former CIA staff Edward Snowden may not be allowed to travel to any other country but the United States.

The US Government keeps in touch through relevant diplomatic channels with all countries Snowden could travel across or choose for his final destination, said White House's spokesperson Jay Carney, EFE reported.

Carney's statement has been the first official US reaction after Nicaragua, Bolivia, and Venezuela recently offered Snowden asylum.

Carney further explained there were sufficient legal arguments for Russia to expel Snowden to the United States, despite the lack of any extradition bilateral treaty


Read more: El Universal.com

[msongs]

1. so now "the white house" has proclaimed itself god of all nations. nt

[Amonester]

4. huh... he may say so, but it's not necessarily what will happen in reality

dog of all nations know *exactly* what will happen in the never-ending future

such proclamation doesn't

[MjolnirTime]

10. No, that was Edward Snowden. He picks and chooses. He says who lives and dies.

He can start wars between nations with the wave of a leak.

He has become Destroyer of Worlds.

The little shitheel.

[Romulus Quirinus]

18. lol, really? nt

[cprise]

20. Someone's ability to discern and assign blame

looks rather broken.

[MjolnirTime]

24. I was just caught up in the Snowden fanboyfest for a moment.

Thank goodness, I have recovered.

[former9thward]

65. The Authority is grateful for your loyalty.

[Thinkingabout]

29. K & R this is not Snowden's world.

[JackRiddler]

67. Clearly, it's the NSA's and the MIC's, but the times...

they are a changing.

[Thinkingabout]

68. Now you are almost getting it, the world has changed, prevention is still the best course to go.

[JackRiddler]

75. You're not living in the same world as I am.

In the world I take to be real, the best prevention would be to scale back the military-industrial-intel empire that is the primary factor in CREATING this country's "enemies" and that constantly manufactures threats to justify the wastage of the majority of public wealth on war, preparations for war and the surveillance-police-state.

[Thinkingabout]

77. Hey, did you hear we had a terrorist attack in 2001? this is the world the USA is living in.

Don't put your head in the sand, we must be aware of our surroundings, it will require all of us to stand up like those who said "Let's roll" rather than sitting back.

[JackRiddler]

78. Indistinguishable from parody.

Let's Roll? Are you serious?

Golly gee, why did that happen? Even the Official Mythology of 9/11 acknowledges implicitly and sometimes explicitly that the US first fucked the Middle East for 50 years. It's miraculous, for example, how the Vietnamese never acted to pay back on US soil even one one-millionth of the carnage the US committed on their country.

[Thinkingabout]

79. So you just explain everything away with we f**d the middle east? Why don't you think about

protecting your immediate surroundings. No just get out and shout "we f**d the middle east and the bombs won't explode? I really don't thing that will stop the bombs.

[JackRiddler]

80. The bombs are exploding.

And by far most of these bombs are "our" bombs. Paid for by US taxpayers.

Stop bombing everywhere and you'll be amazed at how quickly the threats will disappear. The other trick would be to stop building these terrorist threats in the first place, as the US intentionally did with the Islamic jihadists, and still does when it's considered useful.

But we'll leave that out and just hope you get the obvious point. Are you really this blind to which country kills and terrorizes and intervenes and manipulates by far the most outside their own borders?

[Thinkingabout]

81. Dont come up with this blind thing, hell no I am not blind, i am not deaf

Either. I keep abreast of current events, I even realize there are terrorist not representing a country who wants all the world to believe as they do but it will not happen to me. I will be alert of my surroundings and contribute what I can to halt destruction and death. You sound like someone who does not like any actions of government but I think it is here to stay.

[sgtbenobo]

50. Sounds like somebody didn't...

.... get a pony when they were little and grew up to be a great big stinky pants. You seem to be taking your road rage everywhere you go. Please check your medication.

Carry on.

[another_liberal]

11. Welcome to the American World Empire.

Anyone unwise enough to try and resist Imperial dictates will be punished accordingly. You have been warned.

[mia]

13. "Latin America is telling this young you are being chased by the Empire, Come over to here."

With Google translator:
The president said that the CIA extécnico "will have to decide whether to finally fly to here". He said that "Latin America is telling this young you are being chased by the Empire, Come over to here." The White House warned that Snowden not be allowed to travel to another country other than the United States.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.eluniversal.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DEl%2BUniversal.com%26rlz%3D1T4SKPT_enUS405US409

[another_liberal]

17. I hope Mr. Snowden makes it.

May he live a long and fruitful life, and may he eventually be recognized by his own country as the hero he truly is.

[snappyturtle]

23. Me too. nt

[Thinkingabout]

30. Never, he needs to man up, don't think he has it in him, he's your patsy.

[christx30]

32. "Man up"

as in willingly turn himself in to a country that tortures? Where he will probably spend the rest of his life in a cage for getting information out that the American people need to know?
He's under no obligation to make his capture easy on US authorities. I'm glad he's free right now, and I hope he stays that way for quite a while. And I hope he's able to get more information out there.

[Thinkingabout]

42. If he manned up he would have remained in the US and not run like a coward does, he did the crime so

now he needs to do the time. He was not under obligation to steal files and reveal the information to whomever and if his conscience drove him to spy and lie then his conscience should tell him he needs to do the time.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

47. What sort of person talks about "manning up" as if were a valid proposal?

[Scootaloo]

51. The kind of person who's never had to. n/t

[christx30]

55. At least we know where you stand.

If this were East Germany, we know you would have been an informant for the Stasi. And now we know not to trust you.

[Thinkingabout]

58. No, I don't trust a thief and I question whether to trust those who thinks it is okay to steal. If

I am not trusted because I am not part of the Spy and Lie group then don't trust me, I am not a part of this group.

[tblue]

35. Man up and get tortured.

Our policies have made his return less likely. Who would come back here knowing how Bradley Manning is treated?

[Thinkingabout]

43. He will never get sympathy from me, he does not deserve it, let him go to where ever they will have

him, one less patsy in the US

[BehindTheCurtain76]

14. Carney Is A Tool

I woul hate to be Carney right now and defend the indefensible.

[tblue]

36. Well, yeah.

That's in his official job description. He's just saying what the WH wants him to say.

[BehindTheCurtain76]

74. You're right

Part of the job description...must be horrible having to parrot the lies of Bush, Obama or Clinton...the last honest president we had was Jimmy Carter...and Im sure none of them want to get JFK'd.

[24601]

72. It pays very well and doesn't require any special qualifications, like integrity.

[Purveyor]

2. Owwwww. That'll scared him, alright! LOL "Carney is starting to sound like a 'carnival barker'...

No pun intended (but maybe just a little).

[Laughing Mirror]

57. Never give a sucker an even break

[think]

3. Your link is not working for me

[big_dog]

8. its a bit long

http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/130708/washington-warns-snowden-may-only-travel-to-the-us

[think]

9. Thank you. I found it too but I appreciate you taking the time to provide it /nt

[grasswire]

5. the desperation is growing. nt

[MjolnirTime]

12. Desperate is living in a Russian Airport, begging Venezuela for a home.

And not getting there.

[MannyGoldstein]

38. No matter what, Snowden can take comfort

that he got the job done - he got the conversation going around the epic destruction of our constitutional rights. That's a huge acheivement

[mallard]

69. Re: he's certainly become a liability

The Russians want him to leave without having provided any real assistance in his transit. Venezuela et al are willing to accept the liability of granting him asylum. So, how does it go from here where he doesn't get busted enroute? Moles at the Moscow airport must be watching his every move.

[HipChick]

6. That's what I'm thinking..

a few nations talking the talk.but not doing the walk

[think]

7. Working link here:

http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/130708/washington-warns-snowden-may-only-travel-to-the-us

[DeSwiss]

15. FU

[tblue]

37. Touché! nt

[yourout]

16. Walks like an Empire, talks like an Empire...

[cprise]

21. ...and also quacks like a Newspeak. n/t

[treestar]

22. Wonder why Russia does not simply deport him

No visa, they aren't letting him in, so deport him.

[cprise]

28. LOL!

n/t

[idwiyo]

33. Probably because Putin is laughing himself silly watching WH making an arse of themselves.

[agent46]

25. No longer a former employee

of a mere private government contractor, Snowden has been promoted to former CIA staff. Nothing like propaganda to blur the lines toward true fascism. See how they did that?

[dflprincess]

26. I caught that too. n/t

[Paulie]

56. Nice promotion indeed

Is it bad reporting, or is more of the story coming out? Sunlight intentional???

[24601]

73. Sure, just like Valerie Plame was a contractor, until she wasn't. Who outed Snowden?

[HooptieWagon]

27. Wow. He makes Obama sound like an impotent bully.

If Obama isn't going to apologize for forcing down Morales's plane, then he just needs to keep quiet, and talk through diplomatic channels only.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

46. But no. People may disagree with Obama policies but they never name call

Very mature dialogue going on.

[HooptieWagon]

49. Well, demanding S be flown only to the US...

When the US has no right to make such a demand, nor means to enforce just sounds petty, vindictive, and....yes, like an impotent bully. The countries that are arranging safe passage and sancuary for Snowden are just going to laugh and thumb their noses. What's Obama going to do...shoot the plane down? Really? Any idea how that act might play in the rest of the world? The US would have zero, zero, credibility if we did that.

[idwiyo]

31. And what is WH doing to do if everyone just ignores them?

[dickthegrouch]

34. The Russians should put him in a submarine to whereever he chooses

Fly him across Russia, Let Sarah wave to him as they put him in a sub and travel international waters to S. America wherever he wants to go. Remove the problem of nations too beholden to US interests to be able to agree to him flying over them.

[primavera]

39. Or what?

We'll nuke any part of the planet that Snowden travels through without going on to the US? The White House really needs to get a grip: it's sovereignty ends at its borders.

[xiamiam]

40. this, their first response after the fiasco last week..unbelievable..nt

[RobinA]

61. At This Point

it would probably be better if the administration forgot the word "Snowden" completely and moved on. They are looking powerless and turning him into a martyr. 30-year-old pursued by a big bad world government. It's turning into an action movie, and if this were a movie, we all know who most people would be rooting for. Seems to me if they do manage to get Snowden back they are going to have a REALLY big problem on their hands.

[Safetykitten]

41. Well I think the President wants to discuss his option of going on Cobra or waiting till 2014...

[go west young man]

44. All this tough speak for a private contractor

who worked for the Carlyle Group. Obama needs to get his priorities straight.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

45. I would laugh if he stepped off of a Russian nuclear sub, or aircraft carrier

to chearing crowds anywhere that has accepted him. Ain't gonna happen though.

[Alamuti Lotus]

48. It is so (unintentionally) amusing to see such official panties of state so twisted in knots!

These spokesbots and various assorted fanboys must be getting dizzy (or perhaps that is their natural state?), for their speech drifts so effortlessly--and yet, still clumsily--between declaring this incorrigible villain's utter irrelevance, while also proclaiming the unspeakable threat he poses; but I warn, everybody that this speech is meant to make tremble must take pains not to instead laugh themselves to death.

[burnodo]

52. when did we become world dictator?

when was the constitution amended with that?

[warrant46]

60. Since Ronnie Raygun

Granada ---Panama--- etc

[Bolo Boffin]

53. Why can't I find this information at the White House website or indeed anywhere else?

Everything goes back to this one story.

[pinboy3niner]

54. White House press briefing--excerpt from transcript and video:

Q: Okay. Can we switch to Snowden for a minute? What is the White House’s message to Venezuela, Bolivia, and Nicaragua, who have offered or are considering offering asylum to Snowden? And in order to leave Russia, if he were to, Snowden would have to pass through Russian passport control. What message is the administration conveying to Russia about the consequences Russia might pay if they allowed that?

MR. CARNEY: Well, let me say that the United States has been in touch via diplomatic and law enforcement channels with countries through which Mr. Snowden might transit or which might serve as final destinations for Mr. Snowden and we’ve made very clear that he has been charged with a felony, or with felonies, and, as such, he should not be allowed to proceed in any further international travel other than travel that would result in him returning to the United States.

So all of our consultations through the appropriate channels have included that basic message. And that has been true, as we’ve said all along, in our conversations with the appropriate Russian authorities that while we don’t have an extradition treaty with Russia, we believe that there is a strong legal justification for Russia to expel Mr. Snowden, and given that he is wanted here on felony charges, that he should be returned to the United States.

Now, we have a very important relationship with Russia and, as the President has said and others have said, we believe that this is not something that should negatively affect our relationship with Russia.

It is something that we are pursuing through the normal channels here -- diplomatic and law enforcement channels. And I’m not going to speculate about outcomes that we hope don’t come to pass, because we believe that the case is very strong that Mr. Snowden has been charged with felonies and needs to be returned to the United States.

Q: There have been diplomatic contacts to each of those countries from the U.S.?

MR. CARNEY: The State Department would have answers about which specific contacts have been made with which countries, but I think that we have been having contacts through diplomatic and law enforcement channels with all of the countries that might serve as transit points or final destination points. And obviously that regards -- that includes countries that have been identified as having received asylum requests.

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2013/07/20130708278313.html

Cue to 11:24 on the video for the portion transcribed above:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2013/07/08/press-briefing

[RobinA]

59. I Would Like To Know

what gives the US government the power to tell a person where he can travel outside the US. So if Joe Zillionaire from his retirement home on Bora Bora wants to fire up his private jet, fly it to where ever Snowden is, pick him up and fly him to Venezuela, with the relevant countrys' permissions (and by relevent I mean where he has to land and where he will deposit Snowden), the US can say no?

[fifthoffive]

62. Meh

"should not be allowed" is not the same as "may only."

[askeptic]

63. This is for domestic consumption - for all those they convinced, they gotta be tough

Do you think this is how we tell countries what we want them to do? In a press conference? This is all to show those they propagandized into Snowden-haters that they are going to be tough.

Funny thing is, this is one of the most impotent statements they've made yet.

[Hestia]

64. I've got a question - has there been any actual sightings, pics, etc. of him at the airport?

I ask because the day he flew to Russia, I was flipping through the channels trying to find out what was going on. I think they even broke in on CBS Sunday Morning about it, and one of the, ahem, "major" channels said that Snowden got off the plane was put on an embassy van and sped off from the airport. That's the reason I ask if there really has been any sightings of him at all at the Russian airport.

Now, if he did get away the day he landed, who's to say where he actually is? The van could have sped across the concourse or to another airport and put him on another flight out of the country, two weeks ago, and he is sitting somewhere in Iceland, LA, etc.

So - has there been any actual pics of him actually there at the airport?

[Incitatus]

66. Not that I've seen.

Just confirmation by Greenwald, but it could be disinformation for some reason.

[Hestia]

70. Exactly - who's to say he's actually there? n/t

[bunnies]

71. "warns"? Not really much of a warning there.

Also, Carney said "should not" not "may not", but why bother with the actual quote?

[bowens43]

76. Wow. This administration just gets worse and worse....