Iowa poll: Hillary Clinton, Chris Christie Tied (41%-41% 2016 Matchup)

[big_dog]

Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/iowa-2016-el


Hillary Clinton and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie are running neck-and-neck in a potential 2016 presidential match-up in Iowa, according to a new poll Monday.

Each was supported by 41 percent of voters in Iowa surveyed in the Quinnipiac poll.


In a match-up with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, Clinton was on top, 46 percent to 39 percent. Vice President Joe Biden trailed both Christie and Walker, 32 percent to 49 percent for Christie and 39 percent to 42 percent for Walker.



Quinnipiac surveyed 1,256 registered voters by phone from July 15-17 for the poll, which has an error margin of plus-minus 2.8 percentage points.


Read more: Politico

[davidpdx]

1. Polls 2 1/2 years a head of a primary

It is quite absurd on many levels.

[antigop]

24. +1000 nt

[antigop]

28. Watch it, david. You'll be called a 'hater' or something.

[davidpdx]

35. It's ok, I've been called much worse on DU

This place can sometimes be a cesspool.

[yurbud]

79. this could happen well before 2016 VIDEO

[davidpdx]

80. That was a bit before my time

But I have seen that video before.

[NYC_SKP]

2. She looked pretty good in 2007, too.

Warren 2016.

[Politicalboi]

7. As much as I like Warren too

She may be better to be VP first. She like Cheney, can go "underground" give herself more power in the financial industry, and make things better for us, while Hillary tends to the Presidency.

[Beacool]

10. Sounds good to me.

[MrSlayer]

3. I think if Christie runs, he wins.

It sickens me to say that but that's how I see it. People will like his tough guy schtick after eight years of Obama's cerebral, "professorial" approach. A lot of Democrats will vote for the porcine prick.

[John2]

52. I disagree

with you. I think politicians have to adjust to the changing land scape of America and so does Christie.

The Obama Coalition was Blacks,Hispanics,Asians and more Liberal whites. If it was just whites voting, Obama wouldn't have been President. I think he just got 32-39 percent of the white vote, which many of them were probably Liberals. What it shows is America is changing Demographically every Presidential Election cycle and the Republicans know it. That is why they are so serious about immigration laws and voter ID.

They got two choices. To either prevent those people from voting or accomodate their needs. They are still choosing the former approach but that will be a losing cause. They are going against time and natural forces they can't control. It is like people wishing the old south will come back from the ashes of defeat.

[MrSlayer]

54. I didn't say "white people" will vote for him, I said Democrats.

I think his bully talk will appeal to a lot of blue collar whites but it will also capture some Latinos and Asians as well.

He has a big personality, people like that horseshit. It's why Chimp was able to get close enough to Gore for the coup of 2000 to take place.

[BlueStreak]

4. That is very bad news for both Clinton and Christie

because Iowa never gets anything right. They have become the most irrelevant state in the country. You would think that with a record like that, they wouldn't want to draw attention to themselves every 4 years. "Hey look at us. We're the people that get politicians to come kiss our butts and then we always pick the wrong ones."

"Hey, look at me, I only picked three first round winners in the NCAA pool -- every year for the past 15 tournaments. Come over here and let me give you my insights about basketball."

[ForgoTheConsequence]

11. Never?

Iowa also picked Kerry and Gore to be the Democratic nominees.

[BlueStreak]

17. Throw out the second term races

Yeah, they picked George Bush in 2004 also. Go look at their record for all the races in the last 7 cycles when an incumbent was not in the field. Wrong almost every time.

Or as Iowa might prefer, Iowa was right, but the other 49 states failed to see Iowa's wisdom..

[DesMoinesDem]

29. Obama won the Iowa Caucases in 2008.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

31. They picked Obama the first time too.

As the nominee AND as President. Iowa had a lot to do with jump starting his campaign when everyone thought Hillary was a shoe in.

[BlueStreak]

34. Still the Iowa caucuses are as predictive as a coin toss

Since 1972, they have selected the eventual winner in only 5 of the 9 disputed Dem races.

Since 1976, there have been 6 disputed GOP races and Iowa selected the eventual winner only 3 times.

Being up in the Iowa polls, even the week of the caucuses, just doesn't mean anything significant. Much ado over nothing.

[juajen]

60. There were a lot of people who did not think Hillary was a shoo-in.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

66. hyperbole

...

[wordpix]

12. the straw poll is much like the straw man

not worth a hoot

[MjolnirTime]

5. nice handle, you must be the Clinton's biggest fan, right?

[Arctic Dave]

6. I predict the lowest voter turnout in history if it those two running after the primaries.

Either way, the repugs win and the Democrats get a knife in the back.

[Drunken Irishman]

16. Hard to beat '96 when less than half the country turned out...

I don't think it'd reach that level.

[Beacool]

40. And you will predict wrong.

In real life, Hillary happens to be very popular. There are many people who would be excited about her candidacy, not you obviously.

[HardTimes99]

53. The people who would be 'excited' about her candidacy are probably the same

group of people who supported Bush's war in Iraq. (We're still allowed to mention Hilary's vote in favor of invading and occupying Iraq here, right?)

[Beacool]

58. Time to move on...........

[HardTimes99]

62. Um, no - nt

[Arctic Dave]

56. Keep telling yourself that.

And practicing saying president Christie.

[Beacool]

59. I don't have tell myself anything.

Look up from your computer and check out the real world. In that world she's very popular, whether you like it or not.

[AtomicKitten]

73. uh oh

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/302681-poll-hillary-clintons-favorability-rating-dives-over-benghazi-

[Beacool]

74. Uh oh, yourself.

She's still ahead of any other candidate.

Nice try........

[AtomicKitten]

75. halo slipped a bit?

[Beacool]

76. Bitter much?

[AtomicKitten]

77. Your delusion about her popularity goes poof!

[Beacool]

78. You're such a tiresome kitten.

This was published today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/24/could_the_2016_presidential_ballot_pit_hillary_clinton_against_christ_christie_119355.html

Who goes poof now?

[Historic NY]

8. YAWN<>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Meaningless poll for 2 people that haven't declared their intentions.

[antigop]

25. Yep. +1000 nt

[Politicalboi]

9. Crisco can't control his mouth

And Hillary has got to stop telling stupid lies AKA Sniper fire. I think with this was on women, we stand a great chance with a Clinton/Warren ticket in 2016.

[wordpix]

13. throw Eliz Warren in the mix and see what happens

just hoping she'll run

[Beacool]

41. Not much would happen.

Outside of LW sites like this one there's not much interest for Warren to run, as shown in every single poll that has included her.

[Mass]

14. Yawn. Wake me up when there will be candidates.

To my knowledge, nobody has announced and nobody knows who will be the nominee for each party.

Politico is certainly a sure value in stupid horse race rating. No wonder they dislike serious people like Nate Silver.

[Drunken Irishman]

15. A poll this far out seems pointless, but it does show she's vulnerable.

The biggest plus Hillary has going for her is her potential electability in 2016. We've heard it - if she runs, she wins. Yet against Christie, even if she 'wins', it's not by a lot and that tells me she's no sure thing in a general election. I still think she's the favorite, but a 41-41 tie in Iowa against Christie tells me it's no lock.

[John2]

51. One of

the biggest reasons Hillary Clinton loss to Obama was because of the Iraq War. Obama beat her over the head with that and everybodyelse on the Democratic side, claiming America needed a fresh start. He also got support from many celebrities, such as Oprah Winfrey and Liberals to overcome Hillary Clinton. He also got support from the staunchest Liberal in the Democratic Party being Teddy Kennedy.

That is the big problem here. Ever since her Husband won, the Democratic Party has abandoned Liberal ideas, but Obama's winning over Hillary Clinton was really a rejection of intervention in Iraq and things like NAFTA. With NAFTA, they also used triangulation, to turn their backs on unions and labor.

And the problem with people like Ralph Nader, running outside of the Democratic party, makes people think they can't win over the old guard within the Democratic Party. Obama beating Clinton disproved that.

There are some Liberals in the Congress but they re too scared to challenge the head of the party. Especially in the Progressive wing of the Party. There are also Liberals in the General population with enough support and capital to challenge the Democratic establishment in the Party if they just run. They will run to these groups and try to get money from them but after these people get our votes and get in power, they do things like start Wars and cut programs like Social Security. If a real Liberal ran, then I would vote for him or her over Hillary Clinton or Biden. They just need to get the guts to run like Obama did.

[Rozlee]

18. Any Republican in the primaries is going to be running the teabagger gauntlet

vying for the title of the most right-wing. Those teabaggers haven't learned their lesson and far from "reaching out," they've dug in and decided that going more extreme is the way. Christie won't make it on the general ballot unless he courts the far lunatic right during the primaries. They don't seem too thrilled with him in the Southern regions of the country. They might hold their noses like they did for Romney on being "electable," but I really think that this time, teabaggers, are looking for a totally out there wingnut, someone who wears T-shirts that say, "I *heart* rapists." A teabagger hero for the masses. Captain Teabag. Teabag Man. Super Teabag.

[onehandle]

19. Crass, loud blowholes are for reality shows. Not President.

Please, GOP. Nominate the great white whale.

[hollysmom]

20. Chris Christie is just another ALEC republican with a democratic legislature

that keeps his stupid bills down. Don't for a minute think he is any better than Scott Walker.

[quakerboy]

21. How about in NJ?

Nearly as many electoral college votes, and a state that is not usually regarded as being in great contention.

[Robbins]

22. Remember

Back In 1988 when Dukakis had double diget lead on Bush

or back In 1992 when Perot lead both CLinton and Bush

or late 1998 when Bush lead Gore by 20 points

or after RNC when Mccain lead Obama

or back In 2011 when there were polls at times that had romney leading obama.

I think this particular poll Is bad for Christie.Right now he is viewed as moderate republican due to his working with obama.After he
wins releection In landlside he moves to right.Meanwhile Hillary who came in third back In 2008 tied so called moderate christie.
Bush was able to snucker people thinking he was moderate.The base won't let Christie pull that.

[freshwest]

23. Hillary is definitely being pushed hard by someone. Ads for her are popping up on several websites.

I don't believe Hillary will run. It's a thankless job, as the last few years have shown.

It's not time for Warren to run yet. The voters of MA probably won't appreciate her bailing on them after one term in office.

CPAC picked Rand Paul. That's who we're running against. He's got the big money, organization and big names supporting him:



JMHO.

[7962]

32. If its Rand Paul, the Dem nominee can campaign from his/her couch.

In other words, he doesnt stand a chance.

[freshwest]

36. I hope you're right, but Aqua Buddha and heads stomping didn't prevent him being elected...

At this point, I think anything is possible. And the money is there. So is the media.

He supports the 2nd and armed Revolution. The Libertarian and Bagger will come out to vote in droves. See here:

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/33792/rand-paul-tea-party-shoulder-blame-for-head-stomp-attack/

[7962]

49. Oh, he'll appeal to some, but not enough. And if money mattered most,

we would have had President Perot and President Forbes!
I've heard from a few that I know, "romney wasnt conservative enough". But they dont understand that going further to the right wouldnt get MORE votes, it would get less. I dont know anyone who voted for Obama who woudve changed their vote if the gop candidate was more conservative!

[freshwest]

50. I sure hope so. What is the appeal of Christie though? I've heard people at DU talkiing about him.

They've talked about him for a long time, as if he is a force to be reckoned with.

His nasty speech at the Tampa Pukapalazolla was particularly coarse. But then, the entire affair was odious. Just nauseating.

He is getting help from some place or someone. I do expect the GOP to go hard right, that's where their most faithful have gone. Creepy folks.

[7962]

63. I think the appeal IS his temper,

I remember people saying Perot "wasnt afraid to tell it like it is". They say that about Christie. And the fact that he's NOT a hard-right guy would appeal to many independents. But the right wing of the gop wont want him because he hugged obama. And if he cant get past them, he cant win the primaries. And they're too stupid to realize that most of America isnt like them, whether they like it or not.

[Beacool]

42. CPAC?

Please, didn't they pick Bachmann one year?

[freshwest]

46. IDK, but they picked Rand this year. And he's getting more attention than Daddy ever did.

I have to say, Hillary is not my first choice for her hawkishness and seeming lack of caring for working people. It's possible that there is a great deal I'm missing.

Even Obama was not my first choice in 2008 until I learned more about him. Then it was my conclusion he was better suited temperment wise for the job, less a politican, more a philosopher than any of the others.

But she is firm on health care, women's and children, and taking care of minorities and the poor, core Demcratic values.

So I'd vote for her. But my feeling that Rand has a good chance is from the 2010 election that got him into power.

If anything, his base is stronger and more fanatical than it was then. Seeing all the changes across the country, I see him as real danger to the USA continued existance.

Other than this recent push for her on websites, I don't see that she would have any interest in the postition, either. I don't think people have an infinite ability to take the abuse put out there.

The RWNJs are already acting as if the 2014 and 2016 elections are on tomorrow. We should take the same approach, but it will be harder as we don't have Koch $s.




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[Puzzledtraveller]

57. War

[antigop]

68. she's a perfect corporate candidate. See link...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=67554

[LonePirate]

26. Dem primary voters in IA will vote for Hillary. Rep primary voters in IA will not vote for Christie.

[UTUSN]

27. I say: None of the above, including Iowa. n/t

[heaven05]

30. match

made in hell. Hillary would be no better than the crop of democrats we've had since 76, which have been extremely disappointing to me as progressive leaders, Christie speaks for himself.

[DonCoquixote]

33. One silver lining

In 2008, I suffered the illusion that instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, I was going to affirmatively vote for someone. I will NOT have that illusion in 2016. The idea that a War Criminal like Hillary (yes, war criminal, as in, why the hell were we in Libya?), and a glorified Mafia Thug like Christie are two of the HOT candidates for the Oval Office, tells me a lot of how badly we have failed.

[Beacool]

43. A war criminal??????????

That's why the Left is just as loony as the Tea Partiers............

[cpwm17]

67. What does it take to be considered a war criminal

if a vote for and an aggressive campaign promoting an unproved war (the world's worst crime this century) doesn't qualify? How many people have to die?

So anti-war is considered loony by you!!!! You are the enemy in my book.

[Beacool]

70. Oh, please............

[Fearless]

37. Oh we're listening to Politico again?

Good to know.

[ButterflyBlood]

38. polls are beyond useless now

Ignore.

[Spirochete]

39. Wonder how a democrat

would do against Christie...

[Beacool]

44. Christie is my governor and he's a jerk.

The guy is a bully, I don't think that his in your face style will do well in a general election. He's morbidly obese, unless his lap band works wonders, he'll be too fat to be considered a viable candidate. He's also intensely disliked by the base and they are the ones who actively vote in the primaries.

[DonCoquixote]

45. Keep in mind

Neither Wall Street nor the Media like anyone that is not a centrist, be they Ron Paul or Dennis K. The reason these two are being sold is because they want to be able to sell the election as a victory for the middle.

[David__77]

47. Thankfully, neither will win a primary.

...

[Godhumor]

71. At this time who would beat either of them?

Republicans are in shambles and very few legitimate candidates would choose to run if Hillary does so. I think there is a very real possibility they end up facing each other, and I think Clinton would have the less bloody fight in the primaries of the two.

[David__77]

72. Any number of people, in both parties.

In 1973, not a lot of people thought Jimmy Carter would be elected in 1976 - just one example in history. People will come out of the woodwork so to speak, in order to fulfill the needs of history. Clinton, Christie, are establishment favorites, but I think not much will come of either.

[Douglas Carpenter]

48. I think Chris Christie would be their strongest candidate - but I don't think the base of the party

will allow that. As far as they are concerned he is another liberal like McCain and Romney. And as far as they are concerned the only reason why they lost in 2008 and 2012 was because they had nominated liberals. Worse than that Chris Christi had committed the gravest of betrayals publicly praising Obama's handling of the hurricane crisis on the eve of the 2012 election thus intentionally throwing the election.

[coldmountain]

55. With GOP's war on women going on, Hillary's a shoe in

[NorthCarolina]

61. So, once again only Corporatist candidates need apply?

I made a personal vow to never again cast a vote for a DLC New Dem, so that absolutely leaves Hillary out. It certainly seems as though pro-money interest candidates are once again going to be forced upon us resulting in choices that really aren't really "choices" at all. Just more of the same, accompanied by a continued disintegration of what remains of the middle class. As for the poor, not sure what will happen to them, or what more the corporate overlords could do to reduce the quality of their lives any more than has already been done. I am hoping for a Warren or Grayson, or someone of that ilk, to step forward offer some real choice for a change, but in my heart I know that the media and the paid political posters on sites such as this will be out in force to force, drag, and berate everyone towards the establishment choices.

[Dawson Leery]

64. The tea party has billionaire backing.

Should the teakooks with the backing of these billionaires succeed, Christie will NOT be on the ticket.

[BlueStater]

65. Blah, blah, blah.

2008 was supposed to be Hillary vs. Rudy, remember?

[jzodda]

69. Its nonsense

The right wing of the repuker party is in open rebellion over nominating candidates that they perceive as "RINOs"

They will not do it again in 2016. Big mouth Christie is hated by the right wing of the party. They also blame him partly for the loss.

IMO he has no shot.

[Arkana]

81. 2.5 years away, don't even know if either of them are running, and 18% undecided?

Yeah, a grain of salt isn't enough--you'd need the entire Great Salt Lake.

[fujiyama]

82. How much more meaningless can a poll get?

All a GOP rival of Christie has to do to win the primaries is show an ad where Christie is buddy-buddy with Obama during
Hurricane Sandy. If Romney almost lost the primaries due to Romney-Care (the veritable template for Obama-Care), Sandy may have swept away Christie's national ambitions of political office.

Besides, do you really think this tea-bagging GOP electorate will be interested in another northeastern candidate? I'm really doubtful. They're going gaga for crack pot Cruz and confederate baby Paul.