Tamerlan Tsarnaev 'had right-wing extremist literature'

[eppur_se_muova]

Source: BBC

By Hilary Andersson
BBC News, Washington

One of the brothers suspected of carrying out the Boston bombings was in possession of right-wing American literature in the run-up to the attack, BBC Panorama has learnt.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.

He also had reading material on mass killings.

Until now the Tsarnaev brothers were widely perceived as just self-styled radical jihadists.



Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23541341

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O! M! G! A ... MUSLIMIST TEABAGGER !!

[Downwinder]

1. Are the Taliban right or left wing?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

4. The Taliban is Right Wing, but what does that have to do with this case?

[Downwinder]

8. Not a thing.

[former9thward]

33. Neither as it relates to U.S. politics.

They want to revert back to a 7th century political and economic system.

[snooper2]

38. They are fundies

More like the Westboro church type, but Xtian fundies don't really follow their holy book like Muslims do

[KamaAina]

42. They don't, either

After the 3/11 attacks in Madrid, the Spanish council of imams issued a fatwa against bin Laden, citing a specific violation of Muslim canon law that translates as "putting one's own interests above those of Allah".

[Pterodactyl]

61. Right wing. They are totes in favor of low taxes and free markets.

[applegrove]

2. They are part of that "what's mine is mine

and what's yours is mine“ fundamentalist culture that spans the globe. Al qaeda even released a video yesterday where they, using Egypt as an example, said democracies are not compatable with islam. All the while the business fundamentalists in the USA coopt people in red states to vote against their own economic best interests and help destroy the middle class. At this point one has to wonder if the right doesn‘t want more poverty so the birth rate amongst white women starts to climb. Cause I‘m sure that wherever you find economic or religious fundamentalists it is because some want to control women and their golden hoohaas on some level.

[busterbrown]

3. This will be over all over the mainstream media monday..

My ass!!!

You knew there had to be a tie in to the right wing somewhere... Mass killings in this country are primarily carried out by nuts on the right... Even though I have never seen any statistics to this effect, One can bet their sweet ass I’m right...

Thanks for the post..Its important...

[SleeplessinSoCal]

5. I predict the Wingnuts will say the material was planted.

Mark my words!

[matthews]

6. Oh dammit. I just laughed out loud. And this really isn't funny. Not really.

Muslim Teabagger!

Bwahahahahahahahahaha#&%$^*!!!

EDIT: I'm Still Laughing.

[PatrynXX]

7. Love it when Teabaggers ban Sharia Law

then turn around and implement it.

[Thinkingabout]

52. K & R

My thoughts also, the same bunch who wants to talk bad about Muslims, Taliban, etc are the same ones who introduce and enact sharia laws to "keep the women in line". Taliban are radical, RWer's are radical and becoming more radical.

I had a RW telling me this weekend Obama is a Muslim, I responded he is no more Muslim as the RW, have nit got an answer yet. I also pointed out during the 2012 election Mormons and Muslim had a lot in common, they did not want to hear this either.

[delrem]

9. I hope they get their story straight soonest!

We need to know who we're going to go to world-wide never-ending war against.

[joshcryer]

10. Unsurprising. The radical extreme left has disavowed violence.

You generally only catch radical extreme leftists doing or acting toward violent ends after the FBI has basically entrapped them to do something stupid (making molotovs, blowing up bridges, etc).

The radical extreme right wingers, however, they still espouse this sort of action on a wide scale, and the Turner Diaries are their effective manifesto / roadmap / blue print. Since they generally are gun nuts, they tend to have this sort of mind numbing psychopathy where they think they could cause revolution and actually overthrow the US government. I'm not saying Tamerlan fits that profile exactly but it doesn't surprise me, the underlying notions of Islamist thought can be very similar to that of radical right wingers.

(Hi, NSA, as you can see I'm having just a simple discussion here, explaining the mindset of right wing extremists.)

[ConcernedCanuk]

22. "they could cause revolution and actually overthrow the US government"

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"Since they generally are gun nuts, they tend to have this sort of mind numbing psychopathy where they think they could cause revolution and actually overthrow the US government."

right wingers will never be able to do that - it's the left that will do that.

but it's not really about the "government" because they cannot govern!

When the revolution comes, and it will, it will be against the corporate swine that are running the country.

The poor, sooner or later will realize that they far outnumber the rich

And the poor are much tougher than the rich; they know how to live simply, use their bodies/wits to survive.

When they get organized, and sooner or later they will,

The rich will get an unpleasant surprise.

Count on it.

CC

[joshcryer]

26. no doubt but it it be non violent

[former9thward]

35. There certainly have been times when the left has used violence.

The early 70s Weatherman for one. In fact during the late 60s there were all sorts of bombings of various government and sometimes corporate buildings over Vietnam war issues.

[tabasco]

41. What's the death toll from all that, Mr. Helper?

A small fraction of OKC - am I right?

[former9thward]

44. I believe in facts.

Some don't. I am also a historian so I like accuracy. Some don't. Yes a small fraction of OKC. So what?

[joshcryer]

50. There was nothing unfactual with what I said.

[joshcryer]

49. Last big one was the Unibomber.

Then we had the whole Green Scare thing, which, to be fair, was pushed by FBI informant Ana.

Here's a list of terrorist acts in the United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

My statement wasn't intended to be absolute, I was simply observing a general trend. The Wikipedia page appears to agree with me. If you read what I said I was speaking generally. There are still left-wing extremists who believe in violence, it's just no where near as prevalent as it is with right wing extremists.

[Zoeisright]

11. Teabaggers are exactly like the extremist Muslims.

They're just too stupid to figure it out.

[JoePhilly]

24. Both want to impose thier religion on every one else.

They see themselves in competition for the world's soul.

So he was probably reading up on the competition.

[CarrieLynne]

12. wait...Lil bro killed big bro by running him over?

I thought the cops shot big bro? or is my short term memory loss acting up? lol

[mwrguy]

19. He ran him over while escaping

[joshcryer]

20. He thought big bro was done for so went after the cops on him.

They were on big bro but when they saw a vehicle bearing down on them they jumped out of the way.

Big bro goes squish, cops escape, barely.

And no, you don't got it wrong, the cops did shoot big bro but his death was attributed to bring run over.

It's not advisable to seek but the morgue photos are out there of big bro. He's clearly been killed by being run over. He may have died from his shooting injuries later on but it's certain he died upon impact from the vehicle. Again, I don't advise anyone to look at the morgue photos, they're quite gruesome.

[starroute]

13. "The rape of our gun rights" is an NRA phrase

This is from The American Thinker, a conservative publication that features the likes of Ann Coulter and Pamela Geller.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/new_yorks_safe_act_the_rape_of_the_second_amendment.html

In January, the New York State Legislature passed the Orwellian-sounding "SAFE" (Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement) Act. The act was debated in closed session without committee hearings, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed it into law within an hour of its passage -- after waiving the required three-day public comment period. Cuomo bragged that New York now has the "toughest assault weapons ban" in the country but claimed that the law respects the Second Amendment and preserves the rights of "hunters and sportsmen." The former is true; the latter is a bald-faced lie. Even if you do not live in New York, you should be very worried, because the SAFE Act is a harbinger of what Democrats in the federal government will do nationwide if they can.

The SAFE Act is far worse than you might imagine. Harold "Budd" Schroeder, member of the NRA Board of Directors from New York, described the law as "the rape of our gun rights." That is no exaggeration. The law is as harsh as (or harsher than) the gun laws of some European nations that do not have a Bill or Rights or a Second Amendment.

[sigmasix]

23. funny that NRA goons bring up rape...

Doesn't the NRA board of directors include many rapists and at least one pedophile? It's like NRA members and leaders believe that everyone will forget all the rapes of women and children commited by NRA members in good standing. When using rape metaphors about gun rights it is always best to make sure that you have a lot of un-repentant rapists in your organization. It adds to the realism...

[moondust]

14. So it was a RWNJ after all.

Hats off to those who guessed that in the first place--over the protestations and ridicule from the right.

[davidpdx]

15. This sure as hell goes to show there is much more to the story

behind what happened. It will be interesting to see where it goes from here and how much is reported.

[Pterodactyl]

16. You could tell that they were anti-tax by the way they timed their attack - on tax day.

[former9thward]

36. They did it on the Marathon day.

They wanted to kill/hurt as many people as possible. If it was about taxes they would have done it at some place associated with that.

[Pterodactyl]

51. So, you don't think they were right wingers?

[former9thward]

54. I have seen no evidence of that.

Muslim extremists can't be characterized as left or right wing. It is a different ideology completely. They are opposed to capitalism. Does that make them left wing? Of course not.

[Pterodactyl]

57. Not even the right wing literature cited in the article? Is that not proof enough for you?

[former9thward]

58. Did you even read what the the source of the lit was?

The older brother was taking care of a disabled man who had a mental condition. The man had all sorts of wild conspiracy theories about Israel being behind all of our problems. He gave the literature to the brother to read. Does that mean a) he bothered to read it? b) that he believed it? c) and of course he probably did enjoy the Jews are behind all of your problems aspect of it.

In my house I have the Little Red Book by Mao, the Communist Manifesto by Marx and The Anarchist Cookbook which was a book put out in the 60s teaching you how to make bombs and do acts of sabotage. And that is just for starters. I have these books because I am into politics and history. But if you walked into my house you would declare that I was a Maoist extremist planning to plant bombs.

[Pterodactyl]

59. You are right. The Boston bombers were NOT right wingers.

[DallasNE]

17. This Is Like The Chicken And Egg Argument

Did Tamerlan Tsarnaev first subscribe to the white supremacy propaganda or the radical jihadists propaganda? That would be a good answer to know. Are these right wing nut job sources recruiting grounds for radical jihadists. Look at all of the recent ricin laced letters being sent to Obama and others. How is this materially different than radical jihadists other than perhaps scope.

Just saw the source was a UK publication and those tend to gossip so I would like to see this from an American source. Not saying it is wrong, only that a grain of salt is in order.

[starroute]

29. It's the BBC, the ultra-stodgy "Auntie Beeb," not the Daily Mail

So I don't think you need to worry about unsubstantiated gossip.

[Posteritatis]

45. The BBC is not a tabloid.

They've got a better supply of salt grains than any American news source I can think of, for that matter.

[truedelphi]

18. But what I need to know is this:

Did this Tsarnaev Brother have a copy of "Mein Kampf" on hand?

Because both Bin Laden and Allende had a copy of "Mein Kampf" on hand. Allende must have had his copy because socialists who govern large countries in So America are really into Fascists, I guess, except that wasn't it the fascists in Chile who took Allende out?? (With the USA's CIA permission, of course, and it probably goes without saying.)

Also it was reported that Allende had porn. I mean, you are working hard for the good of your society, and then once elected you almost immediately face a major coup, so in your hours and hours of free time, you probably want porn.

And of course, Bin Laden being a tall Muslim with serious devotion to that religion, so he would really be into reading "Mein Kampf" because he likes weiner schnitzel?? And it is reported that he had porn too. Although it conflicts with his religion. (So maybe CIA didn't think it through, in reporting this about him and the porn?)

Anyway, this is all a deep mystery to me. I want to mention that should the CIA ever break in and do me in, I may have had weiner schnitzel somewhere here in the compound (It's for the cats.) And possibly some porn. (Husband claims it is not porn - it is promotional material sent to him via computers of young college girls who simply do not have the money for clothes while they go to college. Did not know that so many women are attending college these days in the nude.)

But just for the record, no "Mein Kampf." Though I do have a poetry book or two of Pablo Neruda.

[Divine Discontent]

21. they were teabaggeresque, weren't they? angry about gun laws, and did their dirty work on tax day...

[Scuba]

25. There's no question that far right extremists spawn terror.

[Igel]

27. Love the article.

It's precisely what you get when you can't possibly imagine any reason that anybody could even possibly read material that he doesn't agree with.

If you read RW material, you must be RW.

If you read LW material, you can only be LW.

You see the thinking here. If you've ever heard or read something from one of the Unclean you are permanently defiled as a RW stooge, shill, sockpuppet.

It's like everybody's gotta be friggin' monks. You must remain pure and undefiled or spend an eternity in purgatory. It shows a special kind of narrow-mindedness seen also in some fundie Xians, a smallness of mind and thinking that must be a applied not only to those who wish to remain undefiled by their own acts, but also remain pure from any guilt by association from somebody who is defiled. The one with the best understanding of the "enemy" is the one who's never read a word he's written, never met one, never even tried to figure out what he believes and why he might consider himself reasonable--and, furthermore, never wants to.

Notice what most of the anti-Muslim sites do. They read and examine stuff written by Muslims. They read that Ramadan is the "month of Jihad." They see the Muslim snuff videos out there. They read the Muslim hate literature calling for Muslim supremacy and oppression of the West. When they doubted Arafat ever wanted peace they didn't cite him in English--they found translations of him screaming, in conclusion of a peace-filled sermon in English lamenting a suicide bombing in Jerusalem, for a million martyrs to go to Jerusalem. I mean, the stuff is there--only idiots deny that it exists. But then the anti-Muslim sites generalize it to all Muslims and make their leap of logical fantasy.

Of course, the BBC would have to say that since those anti-Muslim sites actually have Muslim "material" in their possession, they're actually all Muslims after all.

RW lit often decries Muslims. If you are a Muslim and want to hate Americans, want to see exactly how bad they are, you read the stuff that calls for Muslim oppression and generalize it to all Americans. Most American RW terrorists strike targets they want dead; so do Muslim terrorists. You bomb a federal building because you strike against the federal government; you bomb abortion clinics because you don't like abortionists. You strike against the spectators at a marathon because ... you don't like spectating? Running?

[Lugal Zaggesi]

31. People should be widely read

"It's precisely what you get when you can't possibly imagine any reason that anybody could even possibly read material that he doesn't agree with."

Tamerlan Tsarnaev subscribed to publications espousing white supremacy and government conspiracy theories.

But usually "subscriptions" to certain materials denote more than a passing curiosity.

[center][/center]

[Lugal Zaggesi]

28. Another rightwing murderous nutjob

But since the American wingnuts are told that all crazy murderous Dictators (like Hitler) are "Leftwing",
they are oblivious to the damage an extreme rightwing worldview brings.

Jared Lee Loughner


Tried to join the army.
Ranted about "the Government" of President Obama trying to control him.
Tried to kill Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords.
Spouted QUANTUM-LANGUAGE-PARSE-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR nonsense to his friends, based on writings of far-right nut David Wynn Miller.
Shaved his head like far-right Neo-Nazis.
Shot a YouTube video claiming his community college was "illegal" according to "the United States Constitution".
Didn't believe U.S. currency was "trustworthy" because it wasn't backed by gold or silver.
Bought his 9mm Glock pistol at Sportsman's Warehouse, bought his ammunition from Walmart's.

Sounds like a typical crazy rightwing white boy from the 'burbs -
or as Conservatives like to call him, "a liberal".

[Sunlei]

32. The Norway shooter quoted and emailed several of those nutterR bloggers.

'someone' even hacked into his email account and made it so the evidence couldn't be used in his court case. It was never released who he corresponded with.

republicans spawn hate.

[Lugal Zaggesi]

34. The World Wide Web

Helping scientists reach new heights.

Helping wingnuts reach new lows.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/12407/14-scary-facts-about-wade-michael-page-and-white-supremacists-in-america/186231

[Sunlei]

37. good article. wish someone would hack and post the membership lists and donators for ALL hate groups

we need to know their NAMES and who funds them. Even the KKK got a major upgrade, they have broadcasting station, singing groups and worldwide connections along with a new name.

Who the hell funded the kkk major money in the last 4 years!

republicans even accepted sponsorship from the Koch started- JBS for their Rprimary and allowed them to set-up a booth.

R-nutterism is a cancer

[Turborama]

40. I was thinking the same thing. Islamophobe terrorist and Islamic terrorist fond of US RW nutjobbery

And they kill innocent people.

It's like a Möbius strip of hate.

[geek tragedy]

30. We already knew he was a rightwing nutjob. We just didn't know

the full extent to which he identified with the Christianist rightwing movement as well as Islamism.

[hughee99]

39. And we still don't.

These weren't suicide bombings. For all we know he was reading these magazines hoping he could figure out a way to get the police looking for 40 something white Christians instead of him... or maybe he was greatly influenced because he was very concerned his taxes were too high and there were too many foreigners in America. I have a copy of a fitness magazine in the house, but you'd never know it by looking at or talking with me.

[Turborama]

43. Flashback...

Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

As I said upthread, it's like a Möbius strip of hate.

[TRoN33]

46. Hey Tea Party...

Tsarnaev is officially one of you guys. He is epitome of far-right's ideologies that are attacking the fabric of America's principles and snare the civilized world to sow the fear by cause the mayhem of big bang with causalities which included a very young innocent boy with his image forever, "No More Hurting People - PEACE".

I knew it. I never doubted that Tsarnaev are practically the face of far-right's terrorism toward America.

[AverageJoe90]

47. Whoops. Didn't realize you'd posted before I did.

Found this one via Dave Emory's SpitfireList website.....definitely a very important piece of info, so a major K & R from me.

[Tx4obama]

48. Kick n/t

[devils chaplain]

53. Muslim fundamentalists are very, very right wing...

Some people fail to make this connection because our Christian fundamentalists don't like them. It's like arguing that Pepsi isn't a soda drink because they are aligned against Coca Cola. They are competing flavors of militant totalitarianism.

[GalaxyHunter]

55. I could care less what "side" they were on.

All they cared about was killing innocent civilians!!

May they rot in a pile of shit...

[sweetapogee]

56. from the article

linked on the OP "The brothers had been reading militant Islamic websites before the bombings."

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

60. I thought Rolling Stone has it all figured out with their stellar journalism?

Oh well....