Brazil summons US ambassador over spying claims

[dipsydoodle]

Source: Yahoo News

The American ambassador to Brazil was summoned by authorities on Monday over new allegations that the US National Security Agency spied on President Dilma Rousseff, an official said.

US journalist Glenn Greenwald, a Guardian newspaper columnist who obtained secret files from NSA leaker Edward Snowden, told Globo television that the agency snooped on the communications of Rousseff and Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto.

A Brazilian foreign ministry spokesman said US Ambassador Thomas Shannon "was called to explain" the claims made by Greenwald, who is based in Rio de Janeiro.

"If these facts prove to be true, it would be unacceptable and could be called an attack on our country's sovereignty," Justice Minister Jose Eduardo Cardozo said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/us-spied-brazil-mexico-presidents-report-071045395.html

[Ash_F]

1. It must have been reeaaallly important to spy on Brazilian political candidates.

Realllly important to our national security.

Thanks NSA. Ruining this nations credibility, one intrusive fiasco at a time.

[Ash_F]

2. Gotta watch out for those Brazilians

[Thinkingabout]

3. Does the Brazilian authorities think they are not guilty of spying? They are deluding themselves

and those who think spying is so bad and guilty of the same for themselves. Don't criticize spying and then spy yourself. If those opposed to spying should never spy themselves and from some of the post on this site there is lots of spying happening. Well, guess what, spying will continue so learn to live with it.

Do you think anyone in Brazil is spying? Yep, so when the ambassador arrives he will be able to remind the Brazilian authorities GG is spying and therefore it will continue. Did Snowden spy, yep, and GG is snooping all the time, so there you go, the spy go round.

[TM99]

4. Oh bullshit!

We used to spy on enemies. We used to spy on selected targets. The NSA of today spies on everyone whether they are an enemy, an ally, or a target. Maybe someday they will be an enemy or a target goes the rubric, so let's get that data now...just in case.

Spying on a supposed ally's President's conversations with a man not even yet elected to office in Mexico is an egregious violation of trust.

Snowden did not spy. He released classified documents that show gross violations of our nations surviellance system. Glen Greenwald did not spy. He is a journalist releasing this information in news reports. Words still have meaning even if you are being taught by the politicians that they and only they define what words mean and what actions really are. So stop making shit off and trying to pass it off as a 'real' and valid argument.

This was an inappropriate violation of sovereignty and you better believe our President would be pissed if Brazil was doing the same to him and our government in such a blatant and wholesale fashion.

[Iliyah]

6. Bullshit back to you

If a country have the capability of spying on all aspect, such as USA, China, Russia, France, UK and others, they are doing it.

Fact.

[Ash_F]

7. The Brazilians must must be way better at it than the NSA then.

How embarrassing!

[TM99]

10. Fact

The USA with the NSA, CIA, FBI, DEA, etc. has the most complete and insanely invasive spying network the world has ever known. None come close and that has been the scarey revelation of these leaks. We have shared that system with our 'allies' but we still are beyond all others in this regard. That is why the world is up in arms about these revelations including our allies.

[Thinkingabout]

19. Perhaps in you world some are up in arms about spying but not in the real world. One of the ones

Complaining about the spying and must think he is going to save the "world" is GG and ergo the insanity has begun in his mind. The patsy Snowden spied and has now fled on the lam because he knows he has broken laws and is being watched much more than he would in the US and begun to serve his prison time in Russia. The mule Miranda Cosgrove bought he had the UPS and tried to travel without anyone watching but it did not work for him either. There have been many mislead by Assauge, and GG, you can't fall for their deception or you will be just another patsy or mule.

[TM99]

20. You are delusional.

There really isn't more to say.

Enjoy your fantasies and your comforting security state citizen.

[Thinkingabout]

25. Yep, you know you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Coyotl]

30. Please proceed.

[bemildred]

44. I sense severe cognitive disconnect.

"There are people who do not feel compelled to spy on their friends and neighbors just because they can? Does no one kill them and steal all their stuff?"

[Thinkingabout]

8. Do your really think Snowden was not spying? He intentiontally went to work on his last position

in order to acquire the information he wanted, that is spying in the simplest terms. If he was not spying then the US does not and never has spied on anyone or anything and this goes for every other country who looks around. The BS is in your corner, now Snowden, GG and others are really finding out they know nothing about spying, they try to play with the big boys and they don't even have a clue as to what spying really starts. Guess they are not as savvy as they thought, now they will be watched forever and you should mark it down Snowden is being watched on every move he makes. The Russians knows his history and they know he just might think he is smart again and then the walls will come tumbling down on him. He has jumped into the shark infested waters.

[TM99]

12. You still believe in some story that

Snowden is an 'enemy' agent. Facts will not break you of that belief as has been quite apparent on these boards.

Did Ellsberg, Serpico, Felt, Snepp, Whitehurst and Woodward & Bernstein spy? If you answer yes, then for whom?

In other words, you are still spouting bullshit.

[Thinkingabout]

21. Snowden took his last assignment to "gather information" in other words he was spying.

He committed acts of espionage and stole files which did not belong to him. And after knowing the facts you are trying to accuse me of spouting BS, you are terribly misguided perhaps by those who use patsies' and mules.

[TM99]

22. I see you never answered my questions.

[StrictlyRockers]

13. Wow, it sounds like you really hate spying!

Why do you hate America so much?

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. + 1 nt

[last1standing]

5. Who will we blame for this?

The entity that did something wrong or the entity that revealed it?

It seems to me that if the first entity hadn't abused its power there would have been nothing for the second entity to reveal.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Spying will continue, Snowden will find out what the real pros do and how they find everything he

does or says, he has gone over the edge, he thought he was going to have the world turning on his fingertips, but one scumbag will not bring down the earth. I would say it has been revealed to him and he will find running with the big boys is not going to be easy going anymore.

[last1standing]

14. You rail against the symptom but ignore the sickness.

Regardless of whether Snowden is a hero or a scumbag, the United States' has been spying on allies in ways that are not acceptable. do other countries spy on us? Yes, and we've locked up those we've caught because it is illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

Don't let hatred for one party or admiration for another keep you from honestly judging a situation.

[Thinkingabout]

23. You have one thing right, Snowden is a scumbag who spies, maybe not anymore since Russia has

Permanent cures for those. It is not illegal for the NSA to collect data, don't know who set you up on believing it was. There is not any legal basis to charge the NSA, CIA or other agencies.

[last1standing]

26. Your hatred has impaired your ability to reason.

I would have liked to have had a serious discussion, but you have much to say that isn't perverted by a desire to hurt anyone who doesn't agree with your hero and so your input is meaningless.

Feel free to attack me. I won't be able to read it.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Good, another one off the list, suits me just fine, unless you are Snowden or GG, I did not

Attack you, so there.

[vdogg]

11. You mean a spy agency actually spied on foreign countries?

Oh, the Horror!

[last1standing]

15. LOL! That comment is so easily knocked down I can't believe it's not satire.

OMG! You mean soldiers kill people? Oh, the Horror!

-Said in response to hearing that a soldier just slaughtered a dozen children while they were playing.

[vdogg]

28. Not the same thing

A soldier is supposed to kill other soldiers, not children (and yes, I agree, both are horrible). I wouldn't make such a statement in response to children being killed. Spy agencies spy on foreign entities. That is the ONLY reason for their existence. Greenwald is putting forth the fact that the NSA spied on the leader of a foreign country as though it is some shocking scandal on par with domestic spying, it is not.

[last1standing]

29. Exactly the same thing.

Militaries and spy agencies both have rules of international conduct they are supposed to follow. The US government's spies are not following those rules. This is the difference your original and subsequent statements ignore.

Unless you believe that the United States is actually justified in spying on anyone at any time without restriction or repercussion.

[joshcryer]

36. Erm, what's the international law on spying?

I must be ignorant of this supposed law or rule.

Every country spies on whomever they can if they can get away with it. The US just has technological superiority.

[ocpagu]

37. Oh. The "everyone does it" argument.

How progressive...

[joshcryer]

40. I'm not arguing for it.

I'm just explaining the facts, there's no international law or rule against it. No states would sign such an international law, they do it within the confines of their own laws (no spying laws). They would never hand this over to the international community because ... everyone does it.

Say we had an International Spying Court and someone got caught, all the dirty laundry would be aired to this third party and then all the secrets would become known. That's why it's not done or even considered. It's an arms race of spying.

[last1standing]

41. That is why I said "rules of conduct" instead of "laws." You probably should have read that part.

One of the international rules of conduct is that you don't break local laws of the nation you're in when they're allies. That is why in the military scenario US soldiers follow the laws of the country they're in which they're stationed and why in the intelligence scenario the US has imprisoned Jonathan Pollard since 1987 for being an Israeli spy.

Under your scenario, the US is free to act like the Dirty Harry of the world which is obviously wrong. And of course your comment about it being "an arms race of spying" is downright stupid when you're talking about breaking local laws to spy on our allies.

Now, if you're trying to tell me that Brazil and Mexico don't have laws against other nations spying on their citizens then please inform me. Otherwise, your posts in this thread just look silly and wrong.

[joshcryer]

42. There is absolutely no such rule.

You must be mistaking ethical tit-for-tat as some magical rule. No such rule exists. It's certainly rude for any nation to spy on another, but they all do it. Or attempt to do it.

[last1standing]

43. Congratulations.

You have posted the most ignorant, and obviously wrong, post I've ever read at DU. I didn't think anyone here would ever make the argument that the US doesn't have to obey the laws of allied nations. It's absolutely stunning in its arrogance and lack of knowledge.

Maybe you should try opening a book instead of merely listening to what others 'reckon.'

[joshcryer]

45. Show me such "rules."

Or, alternatively, apologize for calling me ignorant and wrong.

Link the "rules" please.

Oh, sorry, I forget, some posters here talk crap and can't provide justification for their BS.

[last1standing]

46. I think I'll just laugh at the ignorance of your post instead.

*snort* ...doesn't think the US has to abide by the laws of other countries... *guffaw*

[KittyWampus]

17. "summons"… sounds like something from Harry Potter.

[Comrade Grumpy]

33. I love how you like to belittle any country that protests being spied on.

That'll show 'em the error of their ways.

[ocpagu]

38. Hmmm... cute.

sum·mons (smnz)
n. pl. sum·mons·es
1. A call by an authority to appear, come, or do something.
2. Law
a. A notice summoning a defendant to appear in court.
b. A notice summoning a person to report to court as a juror or witness.
tr.v. sum·monsed, sum·mons·ing, sum·mons·es Law
To serve a court summons to.

Sounds appropriate. You know, calling the defendant to explain his crime...

[iandhr]

18. Everyone spies on everyone...

... even allies

Its all in the game.

Don't you think other countries spies try to hack the calls of our leaders?

[ocpagu]

39. Sorry, don't want to personally offend you...

... but that's a very, very dumb argument.

[DeSwiss]

24. It is an attack on your country's sovereignty, sir.

- Otherwise they would've just asked you what they wanted to know.

K&R

[Coyotl]

31. She is a woman, a socialist, a left-wing Marxist urban guerrilla who fought military dictatorship

Better keep a close eye on her, she might want to take over the country

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. Divert! Divert! Divert! As long as they keep the people pissed at the US, they might not rebel...

Slowing economy hurts Brazil's supplementary health insurance market
By Business News Americas staff reporter - Tuesday, August 20, 2013

http://www.bnamericas.com/news/insurance/slowing-economy-hurts-brazils-supplementary-health-insurance-market

Brazil's growth seen slowing sharply after peaking in Q2
August 28, 2013

Such a pace of growth, due to be officially released on Friday, August 30, would be the fastest for any quarter since the end of 2010. However, economists expect little - if any - expansion in Brazil in the second half of this year. Measures of business and consumer confidence have slumped since June, following the largest protests in the country in decades.

Job creation nearly stalled in July to its slowest pace for the month since 2003, and Brazil's currency, the real, has lost 16 percent of its value in just four months, which could hurt investment and spur already-high inflation. Facing all these headwinds, Brazil's economy will grind to a near halt in the third quarter, economists say, frustrating expectations of a sharp rebound for the third straight year.

http://www.brecorder.com/business-a-economy/189/1225886/

Rio organisers try to assure IOC inspectors
Monday, September 02, 2013

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) — Local organisers worked yesterday to assure IOC inspectors that Rio's 2016 Olympics, plagued by delays and concerns about hotel space and transportation, are on course after a slow start.

The IOC coordination commission, led by former hurdles champion Nawal El Moutawakel, will wrap up its tour today. It's the inspectors' fifth trip to Rio to check progress.

Several coordination commission members have been outspoken about forcing Rio organisers to speed up games preparations. During the last visit six months ago, IOC Executive Director Gilbert Felli said: "We don't have any yellow card to send to Rio."

A warning this time would be major embarrassment to local organisers, and recall the 2004 Olympics in Athens, when then IOC President Juan Antonio Samaranch issued a "yellow card" reprimand to Greek organisers


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/athletics/Rio-organisers-try-to-assure-IOC-inspectors_14987506#ixzz2dmFVmcTG

If they think the US is the source of all their ills, they might not embarrass their own leaders on the national stage.

[Comrade Grumpy]

34. How ironic. You accuse the Brazilians of "divert, divert, divert"...

and that is exactly what you are trying to do.

[ocpagu]

35. What a bunch of bullshit. Seriously, you should be ashamed. n/t