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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:03 AM Sep 2013

Bob Menendez: Putin Op-Ed Almost Made Me Want To Vomit

Source: Huffpo

Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) nearly said goodbye to his dinner when he read Russian President Vladimir Putin's op-ed in The New York Times cautioning the U.S. against military intervention in Syria.

Writing in the Times, Putin criticized American militarism. "It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States," he wrote. "Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan 'you’re either with us or against us.'"

"I have to be honest with you, I was at dinner, and I almost wanted to vomit," Menendez said in an appearance on CNN Wednesday night. "The reality is, I worry when someone who came up through the KGB tells us what's in our national interest and what is not. And, you know, it really raises the questions of how serious this Russian proposal is."

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Bob Menendez: Putin Op-Ed Almost Made Me Want To Vomit (Original Post) Major Nikon Sep 2013 OP
Why didn't someone tell him he was suppose to read it not eat it?... n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #1
Good one jsr Sep 2013 #14
Well listening to Lieberman almost made me toss my cookies. dkf Sep 2013 #2
We'll know how serious it is if it includes Chapter 6 provisions. joshcryer Sep 2013 #3
I don’t know Bob.. busterbrown Sep 2013 #4
Other than humanitarian missions I can't think of any good ones in recent memory Major Nikon Sep 2013 #6
Agree.. I probably should have just mentioned humanitarian.. busterbrown Sep 2013 #8
Being one step further away from starting a war probably made him toss his cookies. avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #5
Some raw meat for the CNN crowd, huh Bob? MattSh Sep 2013 #7
Put Bob down as an "against". Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #9
Setting aside Putin's own character flaws and misdeeds . . . markpkessinger Sep 2013 #10
That the rebels did the chemical weapon attack leftynyc Sep 2013 #24
WTF? DeSwiss Sep 2013 #11
What should make us all vomit is knowing what Putin said is.....sadly...True about the US Pachamama Sep 2013 #12
Exactly!! Nancy Waterman Sep 2013 #13
ALL he said was true? leftynyc Sep 2013 #25
Since you are John2 Sep 2013 #28
Someone should tell the UN leftynyc Sep 2013 #29
Misdeeds tavernier Sep 2013 #16
I should have added the sarcasm tag.... Pachamama Sep 2013 #17
Americans prefer self delusion SCVDem Sep 2013 #15
Maybe if it made you want to think.. sendero Sep 2013 #18
The sooner the better... momrois Sep 2013 #19
Always trying to make mountains out of molehills - to divert the American public askeptic Sep 2013 #20
"i was like, gag me!" Enrique Sep 2013 #21
"He almost wanted to vomit? olddad56 Sep 2013 #22
The knee-jerk dismissal (by some) of Putin's remarks is so drearily typical of the 'Ugly American' QuestForSense Sep 2013 #23
And the lapping-up of Putins propaganda and lies is so typical of the "Stupid American". bunnies Sep 2013 #26
Hilarious. QuestForSense Sep 2013 #31
Disgusting. bunnies Sep 2013 #32
Bob Menendez made me want to vomit with his schoolyard bully analogy. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2013 #27
Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #30

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
4. I don’t know Bob..
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:22 AM
Sep 2013

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American Intervention has become commonplace, some good and some stink! I’m also not sure that our MIC and CIA is not that different from the KBG..

What really makes me want to vomit is our unprecedent attack on Iraq and our self justified use of torture..

I also realize that Russia is not a beacon of anything but a Plutocratic society...But I think our house needs a good cleaning and perhaps Putin will admit that his country needs much improvement in these areas as well.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
7. Some raw meat for the CNN crowd, huh Bob?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:52 AM
Sep 2013

Saying it made you want to vomit is the type of thing that goes over well with the CNN demographic.

Maybe try a more dignified media outlet next time, huh Bob? Do thinking folks a favor.

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
10. Setting aside Putin's own character flaws and misdeeds . . .
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:14 AM
Sep 2013

. . . I'd like to ask Menendez: what exactly did Putin say in the Op-Ed that was untrue?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
24. That the rebels did the chemical weapon attack
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:23 PM
Sep 2013

He's the only one (other than assad) making that claim.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. WTF?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:17 AM
Sep 2013

Is this Jr. High??? This is the very reason why everything is fucked up! We have so-called ''Senators'' who don't know our country's history of death and destruction.

Here Senator, if you keep reading the truth you're gonna need this:

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
12. What should make us all vomit is knowing what Putin said is.....sadly...True about the US
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:36 AM
Sep 2013

Sure, it sucks coming from Putin, a man not without his own misdeeds, crimes and actions.

But sadly, all he said in the Op ed was true....and that is what is sickening.

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
13. Exactly!!
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:21 AM
Sep 2013

The only horror is that what Putin told us is what our own politicians don't have the cohones to speak.
All this blubber about American exceptionalism gets really tiresome and is little more than pandering and
pumped up arrogance. And our chronic militarism is an issue, made far worse by Bush, but still far too quickly our
kneejerk response.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
28. Since you are
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:28 PM
Sep 2013

so in the know, can you explain a few things? Why are you getting rebels making claims, Assad wasn't behind the attack? Why don't the Kurds believe your claims? They are claiming they now have video of who made the attacks and now point fingers at an Al Nusra group, which made earlier chemical attacks.

The rebels making the claims about, not knowing what the chemicals were, also claimed they were transferring them to Al Nusra brigades, before they had an accident, which killed several of their fighters. It is well known, these groups don't come under a unified command and some of them work independently. It is also well known the Terrorist groups have better fighters and are more experienced with weapons, than other groups.

The U.S., Britain and France have categorically denied, the rebels have no access, or capability to carry out chemical attacks, but several sources, other than the Russians and Assad regime indicated Al Nusra Brigades were found in possession of amounts of Sarin. Now if what the U.S., France, and Britain claims are true, then just why would these brigades be caught with the substance?

There is also other independent evidence coming from a UN team itself, the U.S. tried to debunk earlier. You forgot the report by the female swedish inspector, having said her team gathered reports from eyewitnesses, including civilian victims.

Then there was a report even from a subordinate official around Ankara, about the apprehension of rebel fighters, whom at first described the substance they found on them was sarin, but this was quickly pulled back by the Erodogen Government, which bought demands from the Russian Government. They demanded that Prime Minister Erodogen release the information. Many of these foreign Terrorists cross the Syrian\Turkey border, and the Erodogen Government is openly supporting them. He has a problem with the Kurds, and has been using these Terrorists to battle the Kurds.

Another independent source, that you seem to deliberately omit, was the allegations by the Iraqi Government and the possession of sarin by Alqaeda Terrorists from Iraq. This brings into the U.S., CIA and General Petraeus. Remember the surge in Iraq, a few years back. The U.S. intelligence agency themselves, reported Alqaeda was behind attacks that produced strange gases and feared that Al Qaeda might have developed that potential, but they weren't sure. These gases came from mortar attacks, by Al Qaeda insurgents, whom were clearly working with Saddam Hussein Loyalists.

Now lets look further at another report, that the Western Media seems to have neglected but has definitely been reported by opposition media. An officer from the Intelligence service of Qatar, was assassinated, but was involved in undercover work, when transported chemical weapons through Libya via Turkey, which supplied the rebels. It is one sides' evidence or allegations against another. I don't know any court room would dismiss evidence, because one side demonizes the character of the other. You need to proof, and your evidence has to stand up in front of the jury. As hard as the one side wants to demonize the other, they need to show the evidence. Until the Obama Administration and John Kerry produces evidence and where they obtained it, I don't believe them.

It is not the case so far from the other side. They have produced such evidence, and even rebels admitting guilt. You have some of the worst killers in the World operating for the rebels, that will do anything. So go ahead and trust these characters. And as far as Mr Menendez, he is bought and payed for by the Israeli lobby in this country. Do anybody really want to put weight on his opinion?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. Someone should tell the UN
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:47 PM
Sep 2013

and Britain, France and Germany while they're at it. As far as trusting - don't make stupid assumptions. I've long said both sides suck and neither is worth even one American life.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
18. Maybe if it made you want to think..
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:10 PM
Sep 2013

.... instead of vomit, our country wouldn't be circling the drain right now. Your rhetoric is typical of what passes for thought and judgment in this congress.

momrois

(98 posts)
19. The sooner the better...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:19 PM
Sep 2013

I'm beginning to believe that the sooner we reach a point that there is very little, to no, historical cold war memory the better we'll all be. Then maybe we can try to work together to solve problems rather than play tit-for-tat games.

askeptic

(478 posts)
20. Always trying to make mountains out of molehills - to divert the American public
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:43 PM
Sep 2013

Yes, it's important to put on a grand show and big theater in order to try to divert the public's attention from the many serious issues involved here.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
26. And the lapping-up of Putins propaganda and lies is so typical of the "Stupid American".
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:26 PM
Sep 2013

Cuts both ways. Funny that.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
30. Senator Bob Menendez (D-N.J.)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:51 PM
Sep 2013
D

That makes ME want to vomit.

The letter D is worth less and less every single day.
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