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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:52 PM Sep 2013

Costa Concordia in Italy freed from rocks

Last edited Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: BBC

Engineering officials in Italy say they have succeeded in lifting the cruise ship Costa Concordia free of rocks, 20 months after it ran aground.

Efforts to right the ship, one of the largest and most daunting salvage operations ever undertaken, are continuing through the night.

The vessel has been detached from rocks and moved on to a platform constructed on the sea bed, officials said.

.../...

Engineers have never tried to lift such a huge ship - over 951 feet long (290m) - so close to land.



Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24104741



At the scene
Europe correspondent:

Essentially this is simple physics. It's a little like a challenge you might set a classroom of school children. There's a capsized ship on the rocks. You can't cut it up as you might harm the waters it is lying in. How do you raise it?

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Costa Concordia in Italy freed from rocks (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 OP
Per the press conference, they're going to start filling the sposons... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #1
So, that's what those humongous water containers are called--sposons! Who knew? Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #3
That should be sponsons...there was an "n" omitted. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #10
I did NOT know that! Thanks HW! Never know when I might need that word... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #11
Sorry - typed that on my phone... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #12
No need to apologize. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #27
What an enourmous operation. pinto Sep 2013 #2
Pleasure...don't know why I'm so fascinated by this... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #4
From the little I know, the captain seems culpable to a large extent. pinto Sep 2013 #6
The Italians call him a "cazzo"--he's brought shame to the whole country... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #8
This is thousands of years old technology... HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #28
No ping pong balls? jakeXT Sep 2013 #5
"Thousand and thousands of ping-pong balls" in that case... Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #7
pretty cool gopiscrap Sep 2013 #9
That's good news; hope it continues! petronius Sep 2013 #13
She looks to be at about 35 degrees. The weight in the sponsons is... Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #14
Fascinating, CH! She was crushed under her own weight. Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #15
K&R! Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #16
This is amazing! oldandhappy Sep 2013 #17
This is significantly more expensive than salvage in place. tammywammy Sep 2013 #32
I hope they cut her up for scrap shebornik Sep 2013 #18
Sure, shit on somebody's kink because it's not your kink. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #19
you have your opinion and I have mine, shebornik Sep 2013 #36
Your earlier post wanted to get rid of all cruise ships, and told everyone to use sail boats muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #37
My opinion is still the same shebornik Sep 2013 #40
Sailing boats are much less safe and more people die on sailing boats than cruise ships. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2013 #20
That's why I said for the few who want to experience the sea. shebornik Sep 2013 #41
The Costa Concordia in particular is going to be sent to the breaker yards once she's refloated. backscatter712 Sep 2013 #23
How in the hell did a cruise ship piss in your cereal? snooper2 Sep 2013 #39
Its called a porta potty LOL shebornik Sep 2013 #46
Time lapse footage of the complete operation (about 18 hours): muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #21
Great pics, Muriel V. Apparently, it was a Europe-wide effort. Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #22
The name comes from Marty Feldman or Barry Took, via John Cleese: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #24
I've seen extracts from Round the Horne, but never saw it on TV. Surya Gayatri Sep 2013 #25
Yikes, I can't imagine it ever sailing again. joshcryer Sep 2013 #26
They're going to scrap it. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #29
Ahh, I wondered why they couldn't cut it up right there. joshcryer Sep 2013 #31
They're going to weld more sponsons on the other side. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #33
It's an ecologically protected area and the interior of the ship's probably quite contaminated. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #42
An article that I read mentioned that the worry wasn't just fuel, paint, and petronius Sep 2013 #43
Yeah, that'd be an issue too. A ship that size has a *lot* of provisions on board.. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #44
Fascinating. Thanks (nt) question everything Sep 2013 #38
Google Satilite Map It! cynzke Sep 2013 #30
I did. It was a little freaky to look at. Aristus Sep 2013 #34
Too cool - love the time lapse! petronius Sep 2013 #35
Definitely too dangerous to go aboard in that condition Posteritatis Sep 2013 #45
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. Per the press conference, they're going to start filling the sposons...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:58 PM
Sep 2013

...on the port side which will rotate the wreck upright.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. That should be sponsons...there was an "n" omitted.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:27 PM
Sep 2013

They're sort of like pontoons, attached to the ship side.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. No need to apologize.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:01 AM
Sep 2013

I just correcting for the record.
BTW, the term "parbuckling" the media has been using to describe the operation isn't exactly accurate. Parbuckling is how the righting cables are attached and operated, just one part of the operation. It is a method of cabling that rolls the object as its being lifted. Usually its on a much smaller scale...such as rolling a barrell up a steep ramp, or lifting a long horizontal object like a spar to a higher point. Pretty cool they're using it to right the ship...must be some immense cables, pulleys and winches. Wish I could see it up close, this is 4 or 5 thousand year old technology used on a giant scale.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
2. What an enourmous operation.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:00 PM
Sep 2013

Saw a mock-up slide show about the process a while back. They have to right it. Thanks for the update.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. Pleasure...don't know why I'm so fascinated by this...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:05 PM
Sep 2013

maybe because I have a friend who lives just across the Tyrrhenian channel in Isola La Maddalena, Sardinia.

He said they were all shamed by the captain's ignoble behavior. Everybody in those waters makes their living from the sea and they are proud of their seafaring roots.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
6. From the little I know, the captain seems culpable to a large extent.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:09 PM
Sep 2013

It seemed a really poor set of navigation decisions. Or poor execution.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. The Italians call him a "cazzo"--he's brought shame to the whole country...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:17 PM
Sep 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_profanity

cazzo (pl. cazzi) : literally penis, can be used as an exclamation or for emphasis; there are countless expressions using this word in a variety of contexts, as detailed in the entries below.
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
7. "Thousand and thousands of ping-pong balls" in that case...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:11 PM
Sep 2013

For this baby it would have taken billions and billions!

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
14. She looks to be at about 35 degrees. The weight in the sponsons is...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:17 PM
Sep 2013

pulling her upright. They're been showing the live video on Reuters and the starboard side is just MANGLED!!!

On edit: Here's a screen grab. Under where I've placed the arrow is the crushed starboard side. Damn!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
15. Fascinating, CH! She was crushed under her own weight.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:51 PM
Sep 2013

Somewhere on the BBC site, they said she was at 44-45°.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
17. This is amazing!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:13 AM
Sep 2013

I am so glad there are folk who know how to do these things. Seems an exceptionally complex scheme, but it seems to work. I am curious re the cost of doing this vs salvage in place, but someone said salvage in place was not OK?? I remember cutting the Navy shop apart in the Philippines last year. Congratulations everyone.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
32. This is significantly more expensive than salvage in place.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:28 AM
Sep 2013

But there was concern over more environmental damage if salvaged in place.

shebornik

(127 posts)
18. I hope they cut her up for scrap
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 12:32 AM
Sep 2013

And all of the other floating hotels they've mislabeled as ships. These cruise ships are unsafe (even with a competent captain), unhealthy (for the passengers jammed into close quarters and the sea life exposed to the tons of human waste) and unnecessary (there are plenty of water slides, casinos, video games and televisions on dry land). To those few who really want to experience the beauty and awesomeness of the sea go out in a sailboat no motor no stereo no distractions. If you don't become addicted to it, then stay on land.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,058 posts)
19. Sure, shit on somebody's kink because it's not your kink.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:53 AM
Sep 2013

The ships are quite safe when you consider passenger-miles and passenger-hours. Even though statistic are hard to come by and hard to definitively crunch, nobody should fear going on a cruise ship. They are more likely to die driving to the airport or to the seaport.

People tend to have unreal ideas about risk and their fears are generated and distorted by such posts.

There are three types of customers, as far as I can see: 1) Landlubbers looking for the floating theme park aspect. 2) Specialty cruisers like special gay cruises, educational cruises, culinary cruises, etc. 3) Older passengers who like the slow pace, the comfort, the multiple destinations, and the shore excursions with every convenience laid on.

My mother falls into the latter category. Sailing on a sailboat is not an option due to age and lack of strength and lack of agility.

shebornik

(127 posts)
36. you have your opinion and I have mine,
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:35 PM
Sep 2013

and the age, health, and desires of your mother wont change mine. My 88 year old mother enjoyed her ride on a 26 ft sailboat and said it was more fun than the cruise ship she went on a few years ago where she and several others got sick when they had problems with the toilets. You see we can back up our opinions with our own "facts" but they're just opinions. Cruise ships work for you and your mom, good enjoy. I think they're floating cesspools.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,399 posts)
37. Your earlier post wanted to get rid of all cruise ships, and told everyone to use sail boats
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:40 PM
Sep 2013

or 'stay on land'. You have radically changed your tune if you now say "Cruise ships work for you and your mom, good enjoy".

shebornik

(127 posts)
40. My opinion is still the same
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 04:52 PM
Sep 2013

The first line in my reply to bernardo is, you have your opinion and I have mine. The last line,which follows the subtly sarcastic one you're quoting is, I still think they are floating cesspools. No radical change that I can see, and I'm sure bernardo still feels the same about cruise ships as he did before reading my post. I have no problem with people disagreeing with my opinions, but I do with people who read something into them that's not there.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. The Costa Concordia in particular is going to be sent to the breaker yards once she's refloated.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:37 AM
Sep 2013

That ship's totaled - the damage is so massive there's no way to make her able to carry passengers again. Once they get her afloat, she'll be towed off to be scrapped.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
22. Great pics, Muriel V. Apparently, it was a Europe-wide effort.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:11 AM
Sep 2013

Somebody mentioned that a British firm (in Fulton?) built the underwater platform to support her.

P.S. I've always admired your last name: volestrangler...bwaahaaa! Those poor defenseless creatures--heartless you are!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,399 posts)
24. The name comes from Marty Feldman or Barry Took, via John Cleese:
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:17 AM
Sep 2013
Round the Horne was a BBC Radio comedy programme, transmitted in four series of weekly episodes from 1965 until 1968. The series was created by Barry Took and Marty Feldman, with others contributing to later series after Feldman returned to performing, and starred Kenneth Horne, with Kenneth Williams, Hugh Paddick, Betty Marsden and Bill Pertwee.
...
"Fiona and Charles" was a regular in the show. Betty Marsden played Dame Celia Molestrangler, and Hugh Paddick was 'ageing juvenile' Binkie Huckaback (named after theatrical impresario Binkie Beaumont). Their characters — Fiona and Charles — were a pair of lovestruck, dated cinema idols engaging in stilted, extraordinarily polite dialogues, in scenes that were parodies of Sir Noël Coward's style, most particularly that of Dame Celia Johnson and Trevor Howard in Brief Encounter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_the_Horne


http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Wing-commander-Muriel-Volestrangler-F-R-H-S/dp/0413567907

And don't think they're that defenseless ... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x249029 (reply #8)
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
25. I've seen extracts from Round the Horne, but never saw it on TV.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:28 AM
Sep 2013

That was before I settled in Europe.

Who knew about those domestic terrorists of the animal world.? Insidious, I say. The voles in league with the beavers.
“They are sapping the walls from inside. And they are being assisted by water voles!”

joshcryer

(62,280 posts)
26. Yikes, I can't imagine it ever sailing again.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:48 AM
Sep 2013

Granted, that does look like the walkway that was crushed as opposed to the internals of the ship, we'll have to see if it can float again. If so I'd love to see the cost of the salvage operation / repairs vs the cost to build the thing.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. They're going to scrap it.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sep 2013

It would cost more to repair than to build a new one. Just the salvage operation alone cost more than a new ship. They couldn't leave it or cut it up in situ because of enviromental concerns. Insurance is paying for the salvage.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
33. They're going to weld more sponsons on the other side.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:59 AM
Sep 2013

Then pump the water out out of the sponsons to refloat the ship. It will then be towed someplace to be cut up.

petronius

(26,607 posts)
43. An article that I read mentioned that the worry wasn't just fuel, paint, and
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 05:33 PM
Sep 2013

heavy metals, but also rotting food:

Fears that a slick of paint, residual fuel, small quantities of heavy metal and rotting food — including more than 3 tons of melon, more than 130 gallons of olive oil and 8 tons of beef — would emerge from the ship proved unfounded, officials said.

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-italy-costa-concordia-20130917,0,937131.story

I'm not sure how long or widespread of an impact 8 tons of rotten beef would have, but I wouldn't want to see or smell it. Glad it's all worked out so far...

petronius

(26,607 posts)
35. Too cool - love the time lapse!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 01:25 PM
Sep 2013

Two things I hadn't realized: now that it's rotated, it sits deeper in the water, so parts that were dry all along are now flooded. I wonder if they removed property from those above-water parts in advance, or if it was too dangerous?

Also, sounds like they won't tow it away until Spring; there's still a long way to go...

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
45. Definitely too dangerous to go aboard in that condition
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 07:37 PM
Sep 2013

And the reason it's deeper in the water is because they haven't actually floated it yet; they basically rolled it downhill onto a stable platform.

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