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Galraedia

(5,025 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:46 PM Sep 2013

Father tells 6-year-old with 3 years of gun training to lie after shooting sister in face

Source: Raw Story

A Wisconsin man is facing charges for allegedly telling his 6-year-old son, who had at least 3 years of firearms training, to lie after shooting his 4-year-old sister in the face with a shotgun.

In late August, WKBT reported that Jackson County Sheriff’s deputies were called to a home in the Town of Alma, where the 4-year-old girl had been struck in the side of the head with a shotgun blast.

According to the Jackson Country Chronicle, authorities in Jackson said this week that 48-year-old father Fred B. Maphis had told his son to say that the shotgun had accidentally gone off when he dropped it. But the son later admitted that the father instructed him to lie because he had pointed the gun at the girl and pulled the trigger.

The boy told authorities that his sister had asked him to aim the shotgun at her, but he had made the mistake of putting it too close to her ear.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/17/father-tells-6-year-old-with-3-years-of-gun-training-to-lie-after-shooting-sister-in-face/

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Father tells 6-year-old with 3 years of gun training to lie after shooting sister in face (Original Post) Galraedia Sep 2013 OP
Responsible Gun Ownership In Action. nt onehandle Sep 2013 #1
This is America agent46 Sep 2013 #2
Wanna bet how many days of jail time he ends up doing? BlueStreak Sep 2013 #3
Misdemeanor? Orrex Sep 2013 #4
A responsible billh58 Sep 2013 #5
Something seems wrong with this story to me Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #26
Yep, something fishy here askeptic Sep 2013 #27
A 6-year old has "gun training"? Give me a fucking break. PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #6
Kids can't be "gun trained" no matter what anyone says. Dash87 Sep 2013 #7
He's had fire arms training since he was three! PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #9
You don't want him to be able to defend himself against the hoards of jackbooted government thugs struggle4progress Sep 2013 #13
Great fucking "firearms training" there, kids jmowreader Sep 2013 #8
Evidently he was trained not to point it at daddy. undeterred Sep 2013 #19
Big thread over in GD for those wanting to join in. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #10
Fred Maphis? You need to be in jail for like forever, you asshole. PearliePoo2 Sep 2013 #11
yep these are the people who are adamantly against same sex couples raising children Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #12
There's nothing in the bible that says six year olds can shoot their siblings in the face Orrex Sep 2013 #25
Three years of training? It's been many years since I received my petronius Sep 2013 #14
What the fuck was a 6 yr old doing with a loaded shotgun? blackspade Sep 2013 #15
This "responsible gun owner" doesn't deserve to have SwankyXomb Sep 2013 #16
When I was six, I learned how to throw a baseball. When he's six, he learns how to shoot a shotgun Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #17
No. PorridgeGun Sep 2013 #18
I think the image of leftynyc Sep 2013 #20
Okay. . .I grew up in the mountains and farms. Hmmm. . .sportsmen? Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #21
"Lack of a 'real gun culture' is quite possibly the problem" here? Paladin Sep 2013 #23
Actually he started holding guns when he was 3. Doctor_J Sep 2013 #24
You can't reason with insanity, or stupidity 1Greensix Sep 2013 #22
Thank goodness she will live. Ash_F Sep 2013 #28
15 to 25 sounds about right for this. sir pball Sep 2013 #29
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
3. Wanna bet how many days of jail time he ends up doing?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:57 PM
Sep 2013

Probably about the same jail time as Wall Street banksters got for their crimes in 2008.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
5. A responsible
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:44 PM
Sep 2013

gun owner asking his own son to lie? Didn't happen, and the Liberal press and all of those "elitist" gun control proponents are just using this tragedy to make a baseless emotional statement.

More guns means a safer and more secure America, and we should thank the NRA from the bottom of our bleeding hearts for their protection of the Second Amendment and the Freedom to kill and wound each other. It's the American way!

And, if necessary...

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
26. Something seems wrong with this story to me
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

It seems strange to me that this child's sister asked to have a gun pointed at her face. Were the children fighting? Did this child who is too young to really understand consequences shoot her on purpose? Was the father afraid the child would be charged and so instructed him to lie? The father was totally negligent in leaving the weapon where his children could reach it but the story itself does not ring true to me.

askeptic

(478 posts)
27. Yep, something fishy here
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:20 AM
Sep 2013

I have a 6-yr old grandson who would have a hard time lifting and shooting a shotgun.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
6. A 6-year old has "gun training"? Give me a fucking break.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:46 PM
Sep 2013

A 6 year old is a KID. Hey, look at your 6 year old and tell me that he/she is fire arm trained. What a fucking crock of shit!

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
7. Kids can't be "gun trained" no matter what anyone says.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:52 PM
Sep 2013

It's not a matter of them not being taught enough, or not getting it - it's the fact that their brains physically can't be trained to properly use a gun. It's impossible.

You would also have to be stupid to let your kids handle guns alone like that.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
9. He's had fire arms training since he was three!
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:02 PM
Sep 2013

(and he's now the ripe old age of 6 ) This is so stupid it's beyond pathetic.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
13. You don't want him to be able to defend himself against the hoards of jackbooted government thugs
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:22 PM
Sep 2013

who are encouraging him to exercise, eat well, and drink enough water?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
8. Great fucking "firearms training" there, kids
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 09:59 PM
Sep 2013

What is the very first thing you should know about guns? "Never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy."

That the boy would aim a shotgun at his sister shows he hasn't had any actual training.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
11. Fred Maphis? You need to be in jail for like forever, you asshole.
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 10:23 PM
Sep 2013

Asking your 6 year old boy to lie....despicable. You weasel.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
12. yep these are the people who are adamantly against same sex couples raising children
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:17 PM
Sep 2013

because teaching your six year old to shoot your four year old in the face is what family values should be all about

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
25. There's nothing in the bible that says six year olds can shoot their siblings in the face
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:47 AM
Sep 2013

Learn your bible, dammit!

petronius

(26,602 posts)
14. Three years of training? It's been many years since I received my
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:38 PM
Sep 2013

first instruction in firearms, but I seem to recall that the section on "Don't shoot your sister in the head" is usually covered a bit earlier than the 4th year of the curriculum...

Glad the girl will be OK, and I do hope the consequences for idiot-man are severe.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
15. What the fuck was a 6 yr old doing with a loaded shotgun?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:47 AM
Sep 2013

I don't care how much 'training' the kid had.
That is pure negligence on the part of the parent.
On the flip side I can easily see the cops scaring the shit out of this little kid in order to get at the father.
This whole case stinks.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
17. When I was six, I learned how to throw a baseball. When he's six, he learns how to shoot a shotgun
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 02:58 AM
Sep 2013

And no one sees a problems with this????

 

PorridgeGun

(80 posts)
18. No.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 05:27 AM
Sep 2013

Your family played baseball, others are into hunting, fishing and shooting. Both introduce their kids to the family activities at a young age.

Six is a tad on the young side, but if the family are shooters/hunters/outdoors types letting a kid pink off some .22 under close supervision isn't anything to make a fuss over.

Why this kid was allowed the opportunity to wield a loaded 20ga shotgun is another question entirely. Ironically, lack of real "gun culture" (much of which would be better termed "gun safety culture&quot is quite possibly the problem.

As a kid growing up in a neighbourhood where guns were ubiquitous, most people left their doors open, and almost everyone was an outdoor sportsman of one stripe or another, I got early, competent instruction in things like muzzle discipline, trigger discipline, "the gun is always loaded until proven otherwise, and even then its loaded..." from many people on numerous occasions. It didn't even need to be explained that those sorts of freedoms came with serious responsibilities and even seemingly minor transgressions of safety rules would not be tolerated by anyone.

A 6 year old doing some closely supervised plinking with a .22 down at the range wouldn't have caused much comment. A few "thats cute" and maybe some picture snapping, maybe. Someone who let a 6yo wield a loaded 20ga freely would have come close to an ass kicking, along with being ostracised until said idiot had seen fit to mend his ways and make profuse apologies. That is about as powerful a disincentive for stupidity as I can imagine in that cultural context, and it worked very, very well.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
20. I think the image of
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:49 AM
Sep 2013

a 6 year old holding a shotgun being seen as "cute" by anyone is a problem all on its own. This schmuck shouldn't be allowed to have children.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
21. Okay. . .I grew up in the mountains and farms. Hmmm. . .sportsmen?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:00 AM
Sep 2013

Give me a break. I started shooting at 12. There is no reason for six year old to hold a gun that doesn't fire water.

Paladin

(28,257 posts)
23. "Lack of a 'real gun culture' is quite possibly the problem" here?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:23 AM
Sep 2013

Do me a big favor: stay the fuck out of my neighborhood and away from my family. Always.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
22. You can't reason with insanity, or stupidity
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:17 AM
Sep 2013

Since the advent of Grocery Stores there is no reason to hunt. None. At least not in America. That leaves paranoia as the only reason to have a gun in a home with children. The more guns a person has the more paranoid they are. That's an absolute fact. Non-gun owners are much less paranoid than any gun owner. But, since common sense does not appeal to insane or stupid people the entire gun debate will go nowhere, and mass murders will continue and increase. It's just a damn good thing the Founding Fathers didn't rely on Molotov cocktails to defeat the Redcoats or we'd have fire bombs killing thousands every year. "A well-regulated militia...." Not "any asshole can have a machine gun".

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
28. Thank goodness she will live.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:30 AM
Sep 2013

They need to get the children out of that house.

Bet that won't happen though.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
29. 15 to 25 sounds about right for this.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 03:11 PM
Sep 2013

25 ta life if she had died. I would have cheerfully said LWOP or even DP but there would be some argument there.

Empty the drug "criminals" from the prisons and fill those beds with gun criminals.

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