NRA's LaPierre calls for more armed personnel after Navy Yard shooting

[warrior1]

Source: MSNBC

In his first television interview since last week’s Washington Navy Yard shooting in which gunman Aaron Alexis killed 12 people, National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre said on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday that “there weren’t enough good guys with guns – when the good guys with guns got there, it stopped.”

He called the Navy Yard a military facility that was “largely left unprotected.”






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He has no soul.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Extra stupid pills this morning, I guess. Dude needs help.

He's like those gun toting open carry assholes in Walmart.

Tons of agencies dropped the ball on that tragedy, it wasn't a lack of guns but a lack of action that could have been taken back in 2010 and 2004.

Shooter should have lost his guns and access to new ones in 2004 at the very least, and again with the "accidental firing".

Wayne LaPierre is no friend to the Second Amendment; his rhetoric actually hurts the cause.

[warrior1]

2. didn't the killer also

take the guns from the people he killed?

[NYC_SKP]

5. Yes, he did.

I'm not sure how many were killed with his shotgun versus with the guns he took from others, but he certainly did.

The Navy itself has some blame in this for allowing him into the building when they and the contractor both could have screened him out for the two gun-related incidents.

I can't even go in to pay a traffic ticket at our courthouse without going through security, and this guy breezed in with a shotgun in a bag.

However, I would rather he never had been allowed to buy that shotgun in the first place, based on his record.

[NutmegYankee]

13. It's unreasonable to go through metal detectors to get to an office.

Obviously he shouldn't have been allowed to buy the gun nor given the access.

[gopiscrap]

3. Fuck him..no amount of guns would have prevented that shooting

the NRA and it's fuck nut gun fetishists are the cause of most of the violence in this nation. They are half the reason this country has become so course.

[daleo]

4. If only people could have guns genetically built into their arms

Imagine what a peaceful and tranquil world it would be.

[AngryOldDem]

6. Quelle surprise.

What's the answer to gun violence? More guns!

Did we seriously expect any other answer from LaPierre? If Newtown didn't open his eyes, what would be different about the Navy Yard?

[Heather MC]

36. Of course he said this

I just dust off the same speech from the last mass shooting. And guess what, he will give the same speech
For the next 50 mass shootings.

[TheDeputy]

41. Of course.

I am trained in active killer response through Ohio Peace Officers Training Commission, Tactical Defense Institute, Archangel, and Colonel Grossman.

The ONLY solution to an active killer is to get good guys with guns to the scene as quickly as possible.

This is not about politics. It is about sound tactics to stop the threat as quickly as possible.

[jessie04]

7. What a pos.

One day it could be his loved one and we see how bold he is then.

[RC]

20. You assume he would have feelings for another.

If a school full of children didn't do it, why would a "loved one" be any different?

[sulphurdunn]

8. I am curious to know how

Wayne was able to deduce that security at the facility was inadequate? I don't thing the admirals want to hear that. Even the NRA might want to think twice before pissing-off the Pentagon.

[NutmegYankee]

14. It wasn't.

The man didn't shoot or force his way in. He had the proper ID and pass and walked in like anyone else who brings in a gym bag or lunch. This building was a large office building and people are not going to stand for inspections to get into and out of it.

[My Pet Goat]

15. The security that LaPierre is talking about was adequate...

There are armed guard working at the building protecting the main entrances. Internal security had already engaged the shooter by the time the police arrive, indeed one of the guards died and possibly his weapon was taken.

It didn't help (not that much).

The problem was how the shooter obtained security clearance in the first place and was able to launch the attack from the inside, but that doesn't further NRA talking points that if there were more guns in the workplace everything would have been ok.

[heaven05]

9. LaPierre

is a dangerous idiot leading a group of dangerous amerikan idiots to the ruination of this country.

[Recursion]

10. There is no greater threat to the 2nd Amendment in the US today...

... than Wayne La Pierre.

[yuiyoshida]

11. He must have gotten the idea from

Michael Savage who said the same thing on his radio show.(From that video that had been posted on DU). Both Idiots.

baka, doji, Manuke!

[HereSince1628]

12. LaPierre has an out-sized fear of the mentally ill...

I do understand that fear is motivator to ownership of guns for self-defense, so it's not surprising that some fearful thing would get identified in his arguments.

But, I also understand it's easy to inflate American's general discomfiture with mental illness into a looming straw man argument.

His interviews since Newtown seem to repeatedly come precariously close to: America needs more guns in public places to shoot the mentally ill.

[RC]

22. Is LaPierre asking to be taken out?

His interviews since Newtown seem to repeatedly come precariously close to: America needs more guns in public places to shoot the mentally ill.

[HereSince1628]

25. Well, I suppose overcompensating has not been eliminated from the possibilities

LaPierre is said to have taken Vietnam era draft deferment for an unspecified psychological problem.

Something seems to have led him into a life promoting the goodness of shooting at others.

[FarPoint]

16. So....LaPierre blames this on our failed

mental health system.....plus we need more guns on the wall. I see the NRA's selling point THIS TIME is to focus on mental illness as the problem. The NRA gun lobby will never, ever stop pushing their product! They never will come to the table to search for solutions ....only mission is singular ....sell more guns now.....profit is primary.
.

[Ohio Joe]

17. Well of course he does... 'More Guns!' is the only answer gun nuts have

Anything less then that is draconian restrictions. Fuckin gun nuts.

[SwankyXomb]

30. that's properly spelled

MOAR GUNZ!

[Paladin]

18. Gun militants won't be happy until this country is a fully-armed camp.

They make noises to the contrary, but it's bullshit. LaPierre's statements today are just the latest confirmation of what they're really after.

[lastlib]

19. Of Course! More Gunnzz!! Brilliant!! (Why didn't I think of that??)

(Oh--cuz it's STOOO-pid!)

I LOATHE that SHIT-FUCKER!!!

[samsingh]

21. he is awash with innocent blood - we can expect nothing else from this lunatic

[Sunlei]

23. more changes for just one of thousands of new 'armed personal' to go postal, IMO

[Sunlei]

24. and didn't the shooter get killed in 12 mins anyway? (or did he just suicide?)

Our country can NOT afford TSA type security ringing every business in America. although that's probably a 'for profit' private companies wet dream.

[kimbutgar]

26. Too bad nobody brought up that the navy yard had 4 fewer guards because of the sequestion

[The Second Stone]

27. Does the NRA allow their members to bring guns into their conventions?

I have heard not, but I'd like some documentation.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. Nope, and not into their headquarters either. nt

[Turbineguy]

28. Sorry Wayne.

It is our policy not to negotiate with terrorists.

[Skittles]

31. that's the NRA's goal - everyone armed and paranoid

he's a f***ing COWARD

[NickB79]

32. FYI, he's calling for military personnel to carry firearms

On military bases.

http://news.yahoo.com/nra-lapierre-navy-yard-shooting-meet-the-press-130944807.html

"All these brave men and women that are trained in firearms, that signed up to serve in the military, they're largely disarmed on our military bases," LaPierre said. "We need to look at letting the men and women that know firearms and are trained in them do what they do best, which is protect and survive.

Which is funny, because according to many DUer's here shortly after the Navy Yard shooting, military bases are already awash with soldiers toting machine guns everywhere.

[Decaffeinated]

33. That specific point has validity...

There is no legitimate reason to deny service members the ability to carry on post unless it would interfere with their specific duties...

[Historic NY]

34. Of course he fails to mention the bad guy got 2 of the guns from the good guys...

with guns.

[jmowreader]

35. Are we sure there's a physical Wayne LaPierre?

Or is he more like Max Headroom...a computer generated character that gets played on Fox News saying "the reason (insert name of latest NRA Recruitment Campaign here) happened is because there just aren't enough guns in this country, gosh darn it."

[Historic NY]

38. Pull string moron!!

[happyslug]

37. A more effective tactic would be to concentrate on increase mental health spending

But that would mean more government spending and thus isolate them from the rest of the GOP.

In many ways such a position would benefit the NRA, by showing it accepts the need for increase government spending. The problem is the GOP base (The Tea-Party members) and the GOP leaders (Wall street) have embraced the concept that ALL and ANY government spending is bad. Thus the NRA is in a bind, its best defense against more gun control is increase government spending on Mental Health, but such a position would put them outside the GOP "Tent" of lower taxes and less government. Thus the NRA keeps yelling for more police and more guns for that is popular with the tea-party base of the GOP AND the Wall Street elite of the GOP for that is popular with the Tea-Party and Wall street but ignore what I considered a more effective policy of demanding increase spending on Mental Health.

[HereSince1628]

39. It's not at all clear to me that is true. Money is needed, it would feel like something done but

I'm not sure that's the real heart of what appear to be attempted suicides with a statement made by mass killing.

Of last years mass-murders, about half of the perps had access to really very good mental health care. Some folks have even blamed that care for the shooting rampages (Newtown school shooter's alleged history of SSRI prescriptions).

The Navy Yard shooter had access to VA mental health...he was already on a VA disability and received urgent care in the weeks prior to the shooting. The urgent care just didn't "get it". There are literally hundreds of web postings of family members who recognize a connection between psychosis and insomnia. Urgent care shifts don't always include available folks with psychiatric specialites (although the VA DOES), worse, many MDs don't see psychiatric conditions as valid medical conditions...so their consideration goese elsewhere. The shooter didn't sleep...they gave him sleeping medication, there isn't any evidence he got a psychiatric evaluation.

In general, PEOPLE FEAR PSYCHIATRIC DIAGNOSES. People with such diagnoses are showered with stigma and discrimination. So, 4/5's (that's 80%) of people with psychiatric symptoms NEVER SEEK TREATMENT REGARDLESS OF ACCESS.

Curiously, even when treatment is sought, mass murders (such as the Aurora killer and the shooter in Tucson seem to slip through the cracks.

What good is access if 1) people don't seek help and 2) the folks that provide help have trouble with identifying dangerous people?

The option of just locking up everyone with a mental condition would put about 20% of the US population in institutions. The cost of that is impossible to meet.

[TheDeputy]

40. Well, DUH!

The best way to stop a madman who has begun to shoot people is to shoot him. Wayne was actually right here. More armed security would have probably helped.