Ursula Jerry, Milwaukee Woman, Arrested For Bringing Loaded Gun To 9/11 Memorial

[LiberalElite]

Source: Huffington Post

A Milwaukee woman was arrested on Sunday for attempting to bring a loaded gun inside the 9/11 Memorial in New York City.

41-year-old Ursula Jerry was allegedly carrying a .380 caliber Kel-Tec hand gun when she tried to go through the site's metal detector.

Police say the gun had two rounds in the magazine and none inside the weapon's chamber.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/ursula-jerry_n_3976469.html?utm_hp_ref=new-york

[TheDeputy]

1. Shouldn't be a crime.

I don't understand why some animals are more equal than others.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. "animals"?

[TheDeputy]

6. Literary reference. Nt

[HERVEPA]

31. Animal Farm presumably. I don't get the relevance.

[greiner3]

11. "Shouldn't be a crime"

If the sign says 'No Guns', why should it NOT be a crime to bring guns into ANY building/area?

"I don't understand why some animals are more equal than others."

While humans ARE animals, are you equating gun owners are of a different species than those who do not own guns?

Your logic escapes me, on both accounts.

[Kelvin Mace]

12. Geez people, let's read a little shall we?

The "some animals are more equal than others" is a reference to George Orwell's Animal Farm. The poster is not seriously claiming this shouldn't be a crime, they are simply invoking the observation from the book that "some" people's crimes should be overlooked, because while all people are equal, "some" are more equal than others.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

32. Obviously Animal Farm came to mind, but it still does not apply to a ban on guns at monuments. nt

[TheDeputy]

13. Easy.

1st off, the animals reference is to the literary work "Animal Farm". I suggest you read it. Seriously, it is very good. Unfortunately, the reference was lost on many. Since I have the status of police officer, I can carry anywhere. Even off duty. I am "more equal". I don't approve of that. I think anybody with a license should be able to keep a firearm the same way that I do.

[jtuck004]

15. > anybody with a license should be able to keep a firearm the same way that I do <

You mean, with a concealed carry permit?

btw, I am guessing this is hyperbole or sarcasm, just curious.

[Skittles]

16. alas, it is not

oh yeah

[TheDeputy]

19. Serious.

Being a cop doesn't make me better than anybody else. If I can carry, you should be able to also.

[jtuck004]

20. That carry permit doesn't mean anything other than you brought in a box of ammo

and pointed the pistol, roughly, downrange and pulled the trigger several times, and listened to a short lecture. At least in Oklahoma. I don't think one even has to do that in WA state.

You are right, being a cop doesn't make you better than, but you (hopefully) had much more training, and in most cases should be able to demonstrate better judgement and, theoretically, a more stable mental state than others with just a carry permit, such as the Navy Yard shooter.

There are cops who prove that statement incorrect periodically, but on a general basis, that carry permit doesn't mean shit in comparison. I have had one, but I no longer do, And when I need to pull my gun that will be the last thing I am caring about.

[CTyankee]

21. I don't believe that. Police officers carry a weapon after being trained and "with the consent

of the governed." I have not consented to just anybody carrying a weapon, esp. one that is loaded. Unfortunately, as a liberal/progressive, that consent is no longer mine due to a decision by a far RW Supreme Court whose members were appointed by Republicans.

[Paladin]

24. +1. (nt)

[TheDeputy]

36. The consent never was your's. Nt

[CTyankee]

37. It is my constitution.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

[snooper2]

34. You may not be "better", but you better be somewhat smarter and at least trained properly

don't take that promotion LOL

[RandiFan1290]

18. "Unfortunately, the reference was lost on many"

[CANDO]

22. I'm curious

Does that supercede whatever building/property/event having a no firearms allowed policy? For instance, I'm at a Wal-Mart distribution warehouse, and they have a sign at the security shack where you enter the property that says no firearms. I suppose if you're off duty and you had a reason to be here, you could ask whether you could carry being that you are a police officer. But they are under no obligation to honor your request, correct? The larger context of my point would be that many people believe they have the rkba and it is absolute, when in fact it is not. You have no right to possess a weapon while on a property, either private or public, if there is a restriction against doing so.

[TheDeputy]

23. Private property rights trump.

Obviously, when I am on duty, I can carry anywhere at all. In my state, I have police powers at all times, so I can, and do, carry at all times.

However, private property rights trump at other times, for example, if I am out of state.

Basically, if a private property owner doesn't want firearms on his property, it is his choice. A person who violates may be charged with trespassing.

I don't consider gun bans to be wise. They are like putting up a sign that reads, "Attention Criminals: All law abiding patrons have been disarmed for your convenience."

[Bandit]

35. I notice how Dodge City went absolutely bananas after the local Sheriff made guns illegal

in public. Residents of Dodge became absolutely plagued with rampant crime after notice was given that guns were not allowed...Or maybe the exact opposite happened. History really needs to be taught because apparently many if not most do not know anything about it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. As a police officer, you are less equal. You are a servant of the people, not the other way around.

Animal Farm naturally came to mind to most DU readers, but they still questioned the reference as I did because it does not apply.

I have no idea of how you comport yourself on the job, but in the absence of information we can assume for starters the best intentions and behavior, so this is not about you personally, and it is written with respect for the majority of officers who are hard working at difficult necessary job.

Police officers are given some powers but a lot of restrictions (you could enumerate them better than I). Police officers have sworn oaths and almost all of them observe the oaths.

Because of these oaths, duties, and restrictions, police officers with a gun, and especially when they are on the job or in uniform, are less equal in many ways because they can't say or do things that ordinary citizens walking around can say or do. Police officers are also "less equal" in a similar sense to other public servants who have been hired by the people to do tasks assigned to them by the people (through a chain of command or management).

If a person doesn't have a felony conviction or a history of mental illness, getting a gun license does not mean they are more equal than ordinary citizens of similar stature and it does not mean they are more equal to carry a lethal weapon anywhere and everywhere. "Licensed" carriers haven't sworn an oath to protect the public.

Though gun licensees may (or may not) have had some elementary training in gun safety, they haven't been trained the way police officers have in dealing with crowds or hostage takings or dynamic situations.

There have been numerous videos and studies showing that even trained civilian gun enthusiasts make huge mistakes in simulation exercises: shooting good guys (that includes bystanders) and not even noticing semi-obvious bad guys or actions.

That is a big reason why guns are forbidden from sensitive areas and from crowded places.

[CTyankee]

38. Thank you for your ENLIGHTENED post!

What is the matter with people?

[gopiscrap]

30. imho (and I'm gonna get a shitload of flak for this)

just owning a gun should be a crime.

[Sunlei]

26. not sure the way the 'carry' law works in that state. I know those guys protesting in front of

texas starbucks had to have unloaded weapons and no ammo. Soon as any citizen called 911 police had to come. They got a disorderly conduct ticket because a citizen called 911.
Then the store manager said, she didn't want the gun carry persons on store property. The police informed them as soon as they finished their food, they must leave the store grounds or be charged with trespassing.

[Politicalboi]

2. Hmmm, I wonder why she wasn't

Frisked and searched on the streets before she entered the Memorial.

[LiberalElite]

4. Seriously?

[jpak]

5. Gunnuttery

Hope they throw the book at her.

yup

[gopiscrap]

29. me too

[iandhr]

7. She will be up the river for a few.

[tblue]

8. What the heck did she need that for?

People are nuts!

[onehandle]

17. New York City is full of terrorist a-rabs, doncha know. nt

[PatrynXX]

9. probably scott walkers #1 fan n/t

[gopiscrap]

28. no doubt

[Half-Century Man]

10. Good lord, the normal people here already make people wonder about the state.

Our version of "An Idiot Abroad" I guess.

[alp227]

14. Law-abiding gun owner, eh? nt

[Sunlei]

25. that's why we have to have the expense of metal detectors and guards at every door.

The fine should be a couple thousand to offset the costs a little. A minor charge with a HUGE fine.

[gopiscrap]

27. fucking idiot