Police: 5 people dead in Phoenix shooting; shooter among dead

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Source: Arizona Republic

Five people are dead in a shooting reported near 17th Avenue and Camelback Road on Saturday morning, polcie said.

Phoenix police spokesman Tommy Thompson confirmed Saturday afteroon that four people and one shooter died after gunfire was reported at a townhouse complex near 17th Avenue and Hazelwood Drive around 9 a.m.

Two dogs were also shot and killed, police said.

It’s unclear what started the shooting, but neighbors told The Arizona Republic that the suspected shooter was seen firing gunshots over a fence at the two dogs that were killed.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20131026phoenix-police-investigating-homicide-abrk.html

[RKP5637]

1. Each day is another WTF! n/t

[Rebellious Republican]

2. Fucking guns, if only the dogs were alowed to open carry......

[cosmicone]

3. People are dying

so a gundamentalist can have a higher testosterone level and feel like a man.

[gopiscrap]

24. exactly

[demigoddess]

41. it is not just that

but the fact that we are in a recession that has gone on and on. Crime always goes up in a recession but this one has been really bad and we have had so many shootings, it is becoming a custom.

[JI7]

42. i think crime is actually down

[billh58]

4. Nothing to see here

folks, so just move along. This is all covered under the Second Amendment, and is just a small price to pay for Freedom. We need more guns for more people -- that's the American way!

[MrScorpio]

5. Why bother to be neighborly, when you can have a gun?

Firearms save you all that trouble, you see?

[gopiscrap]

25. Yeah it's called "The Zimmerman Doctrine"

[Historic NY]

6. Cause barking dogs.....

well it could send someone over the edge I guess.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

7. Well, I feel for the dogs.

We have the right to arm bears, why not dogs?

[Warren Stupidity]

8. Must haz more gunz.

[jtuck004]

9. All it takes to stop people from living is a murderer with a gun. Thanks NRA.

And sorry you got caught up in our human stupidity, dogs. RIP.

[gopiscrap]

26. agreed

[awoke_in_2003]

10. if only people in Arizona were allowed to open carry....

oh, wait......

[villager]

18. +1

n/t

[Aldo Leopold]

11. Jesus!

WTF?!

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. What was the occasion this time....

or does there need to be one to shoot up the place anymore?

[Dopers_Greed]

13. If only...

The taxpayers funded an NRA training course to teach dogs how to use guns.

[truebluegreen]

14. Ho hum. Another mass shooting; another responsible gun owner.

Edited to add: Another day when government abdicates its responsibilities to the citizenry.

[enough]

15. Yeah, really, four people plus the shooter doesn't rise to any standard of newsworthyness.

Maybe the dogs will be the extra little excitement the media needs to notice it.

[truebluegreen]

16. Even worse, it is the second one I've read about today.

But yeah, shooting dogs should help the visibility.


I really could just puke.

[gopiscrap]

27. no kidding

[truebluegreen]

29. Connecticut nightclub.

"Only" one dead, five injured.

WTF, America?

[gopiscrap]

30. I echo your WTF

[Rozlee]

40. Little kids don't even make them blink. Why should poor dogs?

"Bless the beasts and the children
for in this world, they have no voice
they have no choice."

The Carpenters

[ErikJ]

17. Proves guns increase murder. If I had a gun when my neighbor's dog barked I wouldve used it

Their dog would always bark and I tried everything to make it stop including talking to the owners. If I had a gun at that time I probaly would have used it.

[JEdwards8th]

19. "Unrealistic" suggestion that might *actually* fix some of this shit:

Ban handguns then arrest people in possession of them.

Look at England or Japan.

[moriah]

20. Welcome to DU!

[JEdwards8th]

21. Thanks!! Been trying to find the right place for my first post.

How'd I do? I've been reading for a while... lately got on a(nother) commenting binge. This site seems more... considered... than say HuffingtonPost. OTOH I am used to a more go-for-the-jugular style. We'll see... (And yes it was worth waiting the 5 minutes to make this my 2nd reply -- thanks for the welcome!!)

[moriah]

22. You may find our community moderation system refreshing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=modsystem

[gopiscrap]

23. welcome to DU

[gopiscrap]

28. having grown up in Europe, I fully agree with you!!

[AllyCat]

32. Right, that. But then I was recently reminded that I needed to be realistic

after I suggested a fix for this problem was to melt them all down. Good to see someone else thinks along the same lines

[Recursion]

33. It's worked really well with drugs, so I don't see any reason not to extend that idea

I'm not against gun control because of "mah rahts", I just haven't seen many suggestions that wouldn't make things worse, and outright prohibition definitely would make things worse IMO, because nothing and I mean nothing is going to get rid of the 300 million or so guns that are out there right now. And everything we do shakes up the nuts so much that they go and double their arsenal sizes, which makes things worse.

Concentrate on the operators. Do a Federal license system, though that's a stretch. Shut down the Ring of Fire 2.0 gunmakers. Pass an Interstate trafficking law with real teeth, to include straw purchases. Registration would be awesome, but so would universal single payer; one step at a time.

EDIT: that said, I like the focus on handguns, because that is what's actually killing people.

[JEdwards8th]

44. Maybe a more realistic solution:

Require commercial firearm manufacturers to install a microchip and palm recognition in every weapon. Perhaps prohibition isn't the answer, but regulation of manufacture and sales certainly could be. The US military has smart bullets. I think we can make smart guns, too.

[Recursion]

45. I think that's a great idea going forward

(People complain it can be overridden eventually, which is true, but preventing the spur of the moment murders and accidents and suicides is a worthwhile goal.)

[JEdwards8th]

46. Yep they probably can be hacked.

As you say. Then we improve it so it's harder to hack and keep going round and round, each time improving the technology. At least we would be doing something, and it doesn't affect the right to possess a weapon since it's directed at regulating manufacture and commerce... exactly what Congress is (supposed to be) for.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

31. Go Guns! G-U-N-S!!! Guns, guns, guns! And on another note.

Arizona again??? My state again??? {sigh}

[hack89]

36. Don't see the point of registration and liablity insurance would make the NRA a fortune

agree with you on background checks and magazine capacity limits.

[hack89]

38. The NRA will simply go into the insurance business.

think about it - they will offer discounted rates to members. So now you increase their membership plus give them a guaranteed and lucrative revenue stream.

[heaven05]

35. if enlightened aliens should ever arrive

they won't stay long. At this time the human race is waaaayyyy past the point of gleaning any enlightenment from an advanced culture. Hell, the 2nd amendment boys would try to kill them anyway. I can see the aliens flying away shaking their heads saying, :"wtf: was that!" Sick and tired of being sick and tired of these idiots with lethal weapons. It really is a sad state of affairs. "Zimmerman doctrine" coins gundamentalists mentality perfectly. We're not evolving folks.

[dbackjon]

43. One of my softball teammates lives there - shooting happened right across the street

From his townhouse.