Pasta And Depression Linked? Study Finds Carbs And Red Meat May Cause Mood Disorders
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Source: Latin Times
When one thinks of comfort food, pasta or its many derivatives often comes to find. But a new study from the Harvard School of Public Health debunks the idea that pasta can make you feel better. In fact, it finds the exact opposite. Published in the journal "Brain, Behavior, and Immunity," the new study has some groundbreaking findings that suggest that certain foods can play a role in making you clinically depressed.
When headline grabbing studies like these are released, many point out sample size and study length as a loophole for how valid the findings are. But the researchers in the pasta and depression study spent 12 years tracking over 43,000 women and their diets. Not a single subject had depression at the beginning of the study, but by the end, the picture was much different. The findings were clear cut: Women who ate fatty red meat, consumed refined grains (translation: pasta, white bread, chips and crackers) and drank soda were 29 to 41 percent more likely to be diagnosed for or treated for depression than their counterparts. Additionally, the women who consumed the foods mentioned also had higher biomarkers for inflammation.
This study builds on findings reported earlier this year from scientists at the University of Eastern Finland, which suggest that a healthy diet reduces the risk of severe depression. "The study reinforces the hypothesis that a healthy diet has potential not only in the warding off of depression, but also in its prevention," said Anu Ruusunen, MSc, to Science Daily, adding that foods that are associated with lower risk of depression include: vegetables, fruits, berries, whole-grains, poultry, fish and low-fat cheese. Science Daily reported that a "high consumption of sausages, processed meats, sugar-containing desserts and snacks, sugary drinks, manufactured foods, French rolls and baked or processed potatoes was associated with an increased prevalence of elevated depressive symptoms."
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Read more: http://www.latintimes.com/articles/9697/20131029/pasta-depression-linked-study-refined-grains-health.htm
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Nothing makes me happier than going to the Old Spaghetti Factory, unhinging my lower mandibles, creating a low pressure region in front of my maw so nothing escapes, not even splashed sauce, and devouring everything on the table.
yesphan
(1,604 posts)Of course the blurred vision and overwhelming need to sleep shortly after is just a coincidence.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.
momrois
(98 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)cheers me up.. ahem ie Medium Rare (even with the damn warning on it) Marriott Hotel in Des Moines the one in the old building.. had a warning on theirs. good god now I know why. Patty Melt in medium rare. took a bite and the blood burned my hand. oh god that was good. wow.
Because of lo carbs I cut down on my pasta. hasn't helped my depression much
babydollhead
(2,270 posts)I love maw. I love all of the ways you described the moment. thank you!
unblock
(55,906 posts)second, what you said doesn't contradict the study, and in fact may dovetail with it quite nicely.
you're saying something about the immediate effect of eating pasta, the study is saying something about the long-term effect.
indeed, the fact that eating these foods affects your mood (in a short-term positive way) may very well have something to do with the long-term negative effects.
personally, pasta has always been a comfort food, and i can certainly relate to your dining description.
but i have found that, now that i no longer eat meat (seafood is ok) and the pasta i eat is usually whole grain, i rarely get nearly the same "boost" from eating it.
i've often suspected that the pasta-feel good feeling is actually a sort of ending of withdrawal.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Renew Deal
(84,699 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)But agree with red for meet.
sir pball
(5,250 posts)Alfredo or clam sauce, sure, give me something dry, acidic, minerally...ideally something that tastes like it was aged over a bed of limestone. But for a good bolognese or lasagna, nothing beats a good Sangiovese IMO (or even better Lacrima di Morro d'Alba, if you can find it).
iandhr
(6,852 posts)maddogesq
(1,248 posts)I enjoy eating pasta with a really garlicky marinara sauce. Then, I make myself happy by making people run away with my adult garlic breath.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)usually add more
unblock
(55,906 posts)of course the real secret to eating garlic and surviving socially is to make sure those closest to you eat plenty at the same time
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)It totally blew me away to realize that bread, pasta and cereal could make me feel that shitty. Not to mention the GERD, the edema and the weight... I'm also now mostly veg, and stopped drinking alcohol at the same time. My body is telling me they are all good changes. Luckily there are so many other vices to fill the gap!
RandiFan1290
(6,666 posts)Just over a year of no smoking and almost completely cut out meat. I am now beating the carbs and everyday I feel better and better.
Just made another order for hemp protein powder and hemp oil. I have been on them for about 6 months and I just can't stop raving about them.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Self-care rocks!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)BainsBane
(57,377 posts)The book The Chemistry of Joy looks at how diet affects mood disorders. The author recommends a diet high in protein, whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. A dietitian recommended I eat some protein every time I ate something, and I found it helpful.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)What if people who are depressed seek out pasta and carbs? The data would look the same.
This wasn't a controlled study where they have controls and double blind the data. Looks like this was just taking Harvard Nurse Study data and finding this correlation in it.
Why only women? and why did none of them have any depression at the beginning of the study period? sounds like cherry picking.
pamela
(3,480 posts)Do people eat those foods and become depressed or do they become depressed and then eat those foods?
progressoid
(52,569 posts)rocktivity
(44,981 posts)I'm certainly depressed about that!
rocktivity
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)hack89
(39,181 posts)I subscribe to a very squat food pyramid.
Beacool
(30,500 posts)That made me laugh out loud.
gopiscrap
(24,532 posts)it's Mexican food that puts me in a bad mood.
babydollhead
(2,270 posts)everybody is different. every Body is different.
gopiscrap
(24,532 posts)hedgehog
(36,286 posts)people with no interest in life?
Red meat and/or simple carbs and/or soda (diet or sugared?) were mentioned, simple carbs included pasta and/or crackers and/or bread and/or chips; but I guess a headline suggesting that chips and diet soda are bad for you just isn't as interesting.
greymattermom
(5,806 posts)combined with the BPA in the plastic bottles. Not the pasta or meat.
http://www.naturalnews.com/BPA.html
http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2011/10/pediatrics-study-bpa-girls-depression
tman
(1,250 posts)Besides, my italian friends are among the the happiest I know.
demosincebirth
(12,815 posts)Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)I've had many Italian neighbours, friends and co-workers and if I had to generalize any group of people as not depressive, it would undoubtedly be them.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)but I love my pasta. Must have my pasta, any kind, spaghetti, macaroni and cheese, etc.
Wolf Frankula
(3,812 posts)A Highly Prestigious School Of Public Health will come out with a study showing that Pasta and Red Meat prevent mood disorders and that vegetables, fruits, berries, whole-grains, poultry, fish and low-fat cheese cause cancer in rats.
Wolf
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)What was said about eggs, coffee, chocolate and many other foods and drinks.
Furthermore, women have a higher rate of depression than men. Short and long-term. As well as other mental health issue such as bipolar disorder. Why men weren't included in this study is beyond me.
That said, I don't eat much pasta nor do I drink sugary drinks of any kind (actually, I can't handle the sugar so that is a no-brainer for me). I have also recently become soda and caffiene-free. I'm physically healthy and have had a very successful career, but I still struggle with a mood disorder and depression. As do many more people than one might think. Therapy and medication help mitigate these mental health issues. Which, BTW, are barely covered by even the best insurance plans, if at all.
Other, more legitimate studies, indicate that depression and mood disorders are closely linked to childhood abuse - something rampant and all too often unspoken of in our society unless it makes headline national news outlets.
After many studies, it has been proven that brain chemistry and function are altered as a result of childhood abuse...sexual, physical and emotional. Fortunately, studies have also shown that the brain can be "re-trained," reconditioning its responses to a more functional and healthy state. Though it is a difficult undertaking for those who are even remotely aware of the possibility and work hard to do it. I want to see this become more widely known in order to give survivors hope for changes in their lives, even if only in a small way. Anything is better than nothing for these people. People like me.
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/feb/13/childhood-abuse-growth-brain-
http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/15/how-child-abuse-primes-the-brain-for-future-mental-illness/
IMO, this study is flaw from the get-go. Next, they will study how puppies and kittens cause depression and mental illness. Maybe even eating disorders, chemical abuse and alcoholism too.
Many of the comments I have read here make light of this. But this type of misinformation, based on an uncontrolled study, is absurd and, to a large degree, harmful. Cut out the pasta and you'll be JUST FINE. Let me think now. What is pasta made from. Flour and eggs. If that is the so-called problem, people should throw out just about every bread product in their homes. Unless it is gluten-free. But then, maybe so. Did they add that to their study for comparison? Doubtful.
I throw the BS flag.
Did taxpayers fund this? If so, I want my money back!!!
Sorry for the length of this post. But this type of irks me to no end.
Rant over.
Sofie
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Feeling chipper this AM. I love pasta. Without pasta I'd probably die of depression.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,515 posts)Scientists have recently revealed that we're all soon dead.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,093 posts)Even whole grains, especially those with gluten, are a problem for many. Dr. Terry Wahls turned around her progressive Multiple Sclerosis by eliminating grains and dairy from her diet and eating plenty of non-starchy vegetables and fruit, with some meat and fish. Here is her TED talk:
Neurologist David Perlmutter feels grains, carbs and sugar are toxic to the brain and has written "Grain Brain" about it:
http://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar--Your-Killers/dp/031623480X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383071350&sr=1-1
Cardiologist William Davis feels that eliminating wheat is the key to conquering diabetes and heart disease. His book is called "Wheat Belly".
http://www.amazon.com/Wheat-Belly-Lose-Weight-Health/dp/1609611543/ref=pd_sim_b_2
alp227
(33,134 posts)excerpt
Using reduced-rank regression, we identified a dietary pattern that was related to plasma levels of inflammatory markers (C-reactive protein, interleukin-6, tumor necrosis factor α receptor 2), and we conducted a prospective analysis of the relationship of this pattern and depression risk among participants in the Nurses Health Study. A total of 43,685 women (aged 5077) without depression at baseline (1996) were included and followed up until 2008. Diet information was obtained from food frequency questionnaires completed between 1984 through 2002 and computed as cumulative average of dietary intakes with a 2-year latency applied. We used a strict definition of depression that required both self-reported physician-diagnosed depression and use of antidepressants, and a broader definition that included women who reported either clinical diagnosis or antidepressant use.
Results
During the 12-year follow-up, we documented 2594 incident cases of depression using the stricter definition and 6446 using the broader definition. After adjustment for body mass index and other potential confounders, relative risks comparing extreme quintiles of the inflammatory dietary pattern were 1.41 (95% confidence interval [CI], 1.22, 1.63; P-trend < .001) for the strict definition and 1.29 (95% CI, 1.18, 1.41; P-trend < .001) for the broader definition of depression.
Conclusions
The inflammatory dietary pattern is associated with a higher depression risk. This finding suggests that chronic inflammation may underlie the association between diet and depression.
elleng
(141,926 posts)ya think?
I finally COOKED something Sunday, it was a pasta dish the recipe I'd saved a while ago, haven't cooked in quite a while, so ate it Sunday and again Monday (adding Ital Sausage etc,) and after waking (late) today, and reading e-mail, felt/feel kind of down. But maybe that's because I had a message from attorney dealing with my husband's estate, and I had to make several contacts to obtain info for the estate tax submissions.
Waddya think, pasta, or estate taxes???
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I of course have perfect faith in the ability of science journalists to be reading the studies effectively and not extrapolating overblown conclusions from the data provided, especially when they're supervised by contemporary editors who want everything as dramatically clickbaity as possible.
Ino
(3,366 posts)A julienne peeler cuts long thin strips from the zucchini. Saute in a scant amount of olive oil until limp and softened. It's awesome! The same tooth-feel as pasta, a big helping of vegetable, no carbs, no guilt. One medium zucchini makes enough for a plateful.
Aquavit
(488 posts)and most cattle are fed GMO corn. Hmmm...I'm sure this is just a coincidence.
Beacool
(30,500 posts)Science Daily reported that a "high consumption of sausages, processed meats, sugar-containing desserts and snacks, sugary drinks, manufactured foods, French rolls and baked or processed potatoes was associated with an increased prevalence of elevated depressive symptoms."
All things in moderation. They key words seem to be "high consumption". A little pasta, bread, dessert, etc. is not the problem. It's overeating these foods what makes them unhealthy.
longship
(40,416 posts)I rest my case.
Italian sausage, also awesome.
True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)These are foods with a high glycemic index. Pasta may also contribute to problems related to gluten intolerance, which is something I myself live with. Anything that stresses your body in unhealthy ways can have mood consequences. I find that gluten-free pasta can taste just as good as regular pasta without the high glycemic index or digestive issues. My favorite, and the one that leaves me feeling the best physically, is quinoa pasta.
Rhiannon12866
(250,056 posts)Interesting topic, though, so please consider reposting in GD, Good Reads or Health. Thanks!