Israel said to be working with Saudi Arabia on Iran strike plan
Source: Times of Israel
Israel is working on coordinating plans for a possible military strike with Saudi Arabia, with Riyadh prepared to provide tactical support to Jerusalem, a British newspaper reported early Sunday.
The two countries have both united in worry that the West may come to terms with Iran, easing sanctions and allowing the Islamic Republic to continue its nuclear program.
According to the Sunday Times, Riyadh has agreed to let Israel use its airspace in a military strike on Iran and cooperate over the use of rescue helicopters, tanker planes and drones.
Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-said-to-be-working-with-saudi-arabia-on-iran-strike-plan/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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bravenak
(34,648 posts)I don't like this at all.
blkmusclmachine
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Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)“We all think that Iran should not be allowed to have the capacities to make nuclear weapons,” he said. “We all think that a tougher stance should be taken by the international community. We all believe that if Iran were to have nuclear weapons, this could lead to a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, making the Middle East a nuclear tinderbox.”
Saying that an Iran with nuclear arms would be the most dangerous development for the world since the mid-20th century, and stressing that the “stakes are amazing,” Netanyahu urged the world’s leaders to pay attention “when Israel and the Arabs see eye-to-eye.”
“We live here,” he said. “We know something about this region. We know a great deal about Iran and its plans. It’s worthwhile to pay attention to what we say.”
http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Report-Mossad-working-with-Saudis-on-contingency-plans-for-potential-attack-on-Iran-331961
alp227
(32,020 posts)kelliekat44
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starroute
(12,977 posts)... that it frees us from being held hostage over our Middle East policies.
Now we just need to move energy onto a more sustainable basis and get the freedom without the side effects.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)Iran's program is so advanced and well protected at this point that air strikes won't accomplish much.
I'm proud of Obama on Syria but he really screwed the pooch when he refused to support the Arab Spring type protests in Iran.
That ship has sailed and the likely future now will be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East.
But hey maybe we'll get lucky twice with this Cold War. 
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)When one looks at Algeria, Libya and Syria, it more likely that Obama may have made the right call when President Ahmadinejad ran for re-election and there was some furor and his win because a more orderly transition which has now begun in the country. This definitely is not a wholly encompassing change in Iran but it is far less violent and deadly for the people of the country - IMO.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)Let's hope it doesn't blow up in our faces. 
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Are you serious? You're regretting that Israel has not committed this epic crime?
Israel of course is the country with the 150-200+ nuclear weapons, and therefore: the problem.
Iran is not building a nuclear weapon, say the U.S. intelligence agencies since 2007. I'm inclined to believe them, and not a bunch of panic-mongering from Likud and their tacit best friends, the Saudi oil kingdom.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)and the US intelligence agencies (the same agencies that got us into Iraq, btw).
Since you believe those two, I have some swamp land in my backyard I'd love to sell you. 
I think we can both agree the best solution is a peaceful transition in Iran. I'm inclined to believe this may happen since so many Iranians resent their government.
I also believe this is the path America and Israel are clandestinely pursuing. Still it is important to remind Iran changing the balance of power will not be tolerated.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)whatever that means, is something that is working out so very well in the region...
I wonder if the Teabaggers could get foreign help to facilitate a 'peaceful transition' in the United States? I mean - that brown-skinned Muslim in the White House (dear God, the irony!) has NUCLEAR WEAPONS!!! The balance of power has totally gone out of whack in this country - we have to pay taxes to a brown-skinned Muslim who is going to take our guns, our doctors, and, eventually, with his secret army, our freedoms!!! Who wouldn't want to help them restore the righteous White balance of power in our country?
And yeah, those Ayatollahs in Iran really tick off everybody else over in that there I-Ran! All those years of British and American help, running their affairs for them, and then putting someone sensible in power when they had an 'election' to make their own silly government. Even after that, they just went and had a 'revolution' again... Well, I guess it's understandable. I mean, all cute little brown people who call themselves 'Muslims' - seriously, all the help they've got from England, France, Russia, and us for so many years, and they still can't figure out how they're missing out on all the coolness of being Christians!
One of these days we'll manage to get that I-Ran run the way it should be, and then we can start on every other country in the world that doesn't do things the way everyone else does (I mean, of course, how we do things...). That's the only balance of power that makes any sense.
CFLDem
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JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That you even know who the current president of Iran is.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)by Rouhani's charm offensive.
Iran knows it doesn't have the international political capital to huff and puff like Ahmadinejad so they're trying a more duplicitous route instead.
A scorpion will always revert to its true nature in the end.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Got any other vermin metaphor for peoples you've decided are less than human? Is there historical precedent for such rhetoric?
Obviously you have no interest in peace, and nothing that Iran could do would convince you that Israel shouldn't pursue the course of the aggressor. No aggression by Israel will ever be anything other than "defense" to you. They could bomb Tokyo, you'd find a reason.
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)of believing the government of Iran when its official position is to wipe Israel of the planet, and disbelieving them when they say their interest on nuclear power is only a coincidental hobby in the interests of peace.
By the way Mr Chamberlain, if you buy the Florida swampland in the next half hour, I'll throw in a bridge from New York for no extra charge.
Btw a people and their government can indeed be separate entities.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is when it's the mullahs who call the shots. But if you want to believe this guy is actually a moderate, knock yourself out.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)unprovoked war of aggression by Israel... in alliance with Saudi Arabia, no less... knock yourself out! Outside the tiny bubble of blind-hardline Israel supporters in the U.S., the rest of the world will condemn it... and probably most Israelis don't support such a course of madness.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)on fire routine. If you think Israel gives a shit what the rest of the world has to say about its existence, you're sorely mistaken. If you think the US (or any western country) will defend Iran over Israel you're mentally ill.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 18, 2013, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)
There you go, confusing Israel's "existence" with its sacred right to engage in unprovoked bombing of non-aggressor nations.
This insanity isn't going to happen, of course - Israel and its SAUDI partner (nice how you're avoiding this) are trying to sabotage the peace agreement with mad-dog threats.
Speaking of mental problems--you did--you're displaying pretty much the only form of supremacism and violent nationalism that happens to be tolerated on this site.
With Israel acting so contrary to U.S. interests in this case, I suspect the day when American policy automatically assents to Israeli "defense" priorities is getting closer.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)so much wrong with your post. The country that scuttled the agreement was not Israel - it was FRANCE (I notice that isn't even worth a mention by you). Perhaps you can get out a map and see how easy one very large bomb - like a nuke - could wipe out the entire of Israel with one strike. I suspect you wouldn't lose one ounce of sleep realizing the truth of that. Meanwhile, I'll take comfort that the adults seem to realize the threat a country ruled by mullahs is to the rest of the world. I've been hearing "America will turn its back on Israel" nonsense for over 20 years now. Not gonna happen.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)in our country whenever Israel is involved in something dirty or shady. Apparently, according to many people expressing their opinions here, the United States is to blame for a possible Saudi-Israeli military engagement against Iran. There's no real-world logic operating there, just a bunch of nonsense.
Apparently, the fact that a rather belligerent and quite institutionally racist country that possesses a considerable array of nuclear weapons might make some folks nearby rather jumpy on the subject is something we Americans are constitutionally unable to process.....
7962
(11,841 posts)They also have bought far more centrifuges than are needed for nuclear power. They've enriched uranium to 20%, when 3.5 is whats needed for power usage. Once you reach that threshold, you're 75% to where you need to be. If Iran doesnt want to make a weapon, then why has it repeatedly refused offers to supply non-weapons capable power? Wy has it refused outside inspection of its entire program?
Israel has HAD nukes for years and has never threatened to use them, much less admitted having them.
And you seem to forget Irans constant support of Syria and Hezbullah, among others.
Its very simple; if everyone would leave Israel alone, there would BE peace. If you leave everyone else alone, there will be war.
We also didn't believe North Korea was making a weapon after we made deals with them to stop. Look where that got us.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Unlike Iran, it has often been an aggressor nation. During crises in the past (as with Iraq in 1991) Israel has often signaled willingness to use nuclear weapons.
I don't know about how logic works in your universe, but in mine, seeking to conceal possession of nuclear weapons is a reason to mistrust Israel. (You should update, since de facto it was admitted some years ago.)
If Israel did not periodically initiate bloody offensives, did not have a nuclear arsenal, and did not occupy territories illegally while practicing apartheid on the occupied, there might be peace.
The U.S. intelligence agencies have said constantly since 2007 that Iran stopped seeking a nuclear weapon in 2003. In this case, I believe them! They certainly are a more reliable source than the Israeli intelligence agencies. Iran has no incentive to build a bomb or get into arms race wherein Israel already has insurmountable advantage. Iran wants an end to sancitions and to do business with the West.
"Look where that got us" with North Korea? Really? You consider North Korea a threat to the U.S., perhaps? CNN and FOX, much?
7962
(11,841 posts)Ha. Glad you trust Iran over Israel. You're in some good company with the whole Israeli aggression thing. Since its always their fault, how come Arafat turned down the deal Clinton had set up that gave the Palestinians 95% of what they were asking for? How come the leadership of Gaza and the West Bank still call for the destruction of the country? How come there are still missiles lobbed into Israel every day?
My "look where it got us" statement refers to the fact that the west made all kinds of deals with NK to get them to stop what they were doing. And they never stopped and now have a weapon. Whether they can hit us with it has nothing to with the fact that you cant do deals with people like this and trust that their end will be kept.
NickB79
(19,236 posts)Jesus Christ, is it possible we're really this stupid as a species?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)All it takes is a handful of stupid powerful people with nuclear weapons.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Things get pretty weird when you fear not being feared.
T Roosevelt
(4,105 posts)Jews are working with Arabs to attack Persians...
iandhr
(6,852 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That one invented oneself. And in this case, they started out as total bullshit to try to rope the Americans into attacking Iran.
Well guess what, ain't happening, and you gotta like Obama over McCain and Co. on this issue especially.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)And have some duration.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Both want to see the negotiations fail. Granted both have different motives, but you know that saying about strange bedfellows.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)responsible for fucking up that region, far more than anything Iran ever did outside its own borders. And they are two of the worst influences on U.S. foreign policy.
There's nothing strange about this alliance at this point. They've shared interests and worked together on the down-low since the 1960s and the Yemen war. They were also both involved in Safari Club-type operations in the 1970s.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)This news shouldn't be surprising.
Alamuti Lotus
(3,093 posts)I only wish these spoiled children were remotely serious about their proposed blunder, rather than using un-credible leaks to glorified blogs and tabloids to get attention from their apparently-inattentive collective patron.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I expect all aid to be cut off and when the Middle East goes to war we can sit back and watch...
Fundies can all off each other, we can provide refuge for non-fundies who don't want to die
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)your breath waiting for your fantasy of a vote in Congress to cut off all aid to Israel.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)You'd think they could get their act together in 60+ years.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)They will end up forcing the US to get involved to stop an Iranian invasion. But then that's the plan of this weird little alliance, isnt it?