Boeing airliner crashes in Russian city of Kazan, 50 killed
Source: Reuters
MOSCOW Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:27am EST
(Reuters) - A Boeing 737 crashed on landing in the Russian city of Kazan on Sunday, killing all 50 people on board, the Emergencies Ministry said.
The flight from Moscow made a second attempt at landing and exploded on impact, killing all 44 passengers and six crew on board. The flight was operated by the regional Tatarstan airline, a ministry spokeswoman said.
(Reporting by Douglas Busvine; Editing by Alison Williams)
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/17/us-russia-crash-idUSBRE9AG0A820131117
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)An emergency services source told Interfax that the pilots made a mistake when entering the second lap, causing the plane to crash. However, the source added that there is a possibility that it was a technical failure.
The Federal Air Transport Agency, on its behalf, said the plane attempted to land three times before crashing.
http://rt.com/news/passenger-plane-crash-kazan-866/
muriel_volestrangler
(101,405 posts)That indicates there was some special situation.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Multiple landing attempts are usually the result of bad weather, but according to the OP someone on the ground was reporting excellent visibility. If I were to speculate it could be bad wind conditions or something with the plane.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)How old was the 737? How many hours on the airframe? The engines? When was it last inspected and by whom?
I'm not too quick to go the "pilot error" route....although I think I would look at the number of hours "in type" the crew had.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)suggests weather as an issue but who knows
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)First flew in June 1990...
(of course the age of the aircraft doesn't tell us as much as the actual hours flown and number of pressurization cycles...)
Beacool
(30,253 posts)May they all rest in peace.
RexDart
(188 posts)Metar at crash time taken from http://avherald.com/ and run through a metar converter I found at a different website.
Latest weather
Observation time Sunday, November 17, 2013 3:30 PM UTC
Local time Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:55 PM UTC
Flight conditions Instrument Meteorological Conditions
Winds
Wind direction Southwest (230°)
Wind speed 9 mph
Wind gusting to 25 mph
Visibility 3.1 mi.
Present weather RASN
Sky condition
Ceiling 700 ft. overcast
Cloud layer overcast 700 ft.
Temperature 37°F
Dewpoint 37°F
Altimeter 29.32 in.Hg
Precipitation
QF 3:14 AM
Derived measurements
Relative humidity 100%
Wind chill 31°F
Density altitude -649 ft.
Remarks
No significant changes expected in the next two hours.
METAR UWKD 171530Z 23008G11MPS 5000 -RASN OVC007 03/03 Q0993 R29/2/0055 NOSIG RMK QFE734/0979
Trajan
(19,089 posts)for commercial airliners ... The Boeing 737 is one of our flagship systems ...
The M4000 system is used on most all 737's flown by Southwest, Alaska Air, and American Airlines .... it provides the pilot with guidance cues and symbolic representations of the horizon, and the runway itself, so that, even in the worst weather conditions, the pilot knows exactly where the end of the runway is, and has an 'X marks the spot' target to aim at during landings in poor visibility ...
it should be required equipment ...
RIP ...
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)22:55 GMT: Tatarstan Airlines assures that no technical problems were found on the plane before its departure. A spokeswoman for the company told Interfax that the pilots were very experienced.
22:25 GMT: Boeing has issued a statement expressing condolences to the families of the victims of the crash and offering its technical assistance to the investigation.
"Boeing extends its deepest condolences to the families of those who perished in the Aircompany Tatarstan Flight U9-363/2B-363 accident on landing in Kazan, Russia, in route from Moscow. A Boeing technical team will launch to provide technical assistance to the investigation at the request and under the direction of Russias investigating authority, the Interstate Aviation Committee."
22:16 GMT: The bodies of 10 victims had been identified as of 21:00 GMT, medical sources told Interfax news agency.
22:11 GMT: One of the reasons behind the crash could have been low-quality fuel, the Investigative Committee believes. We ordered to take samples of the fuel that was used to fill up the aircraft in Moscow, a senior official told ITAR-TASS.
http://rt.com/news/kazan-crash-live-updates-876/
tblue37
(65,524 posts)when the plane he was on landed and the passengers all broke out in cheers and applause. He told me it happened more than once when he flew while there.
Apparently a safe landing is uncertain enough in Russia for the passengers to consider it worth cheers and applause when it happens.
This is just hearsay, of course, but my friend is a pretty serious fellow, not generally given to wild stories.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,405 posts)London to Toronto, 1977, CP Air. Possibly the first time my parents had flown too. It surprised us, too - we may not have been regular flyers, but we thought we'd seen enough of it on film to know it didn't happen normally (and no, there was nothing special - it wasn't bad weather or anything). I still can't work out why it happened. Perhaps there were a lot of first time flyers on it (it was a charter flight, I think).
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I've seen it many times in Europe.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)justice1
(795 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)penultimate
(1,110 posts)I just found the headline weird. It's almost like the writers were trying to make that point about it.
jmowreader
(50,580 posts)I don't want to pull a Catkiller Frist here, but if the pilot did a go-around and crashed on his second attempt, and the weather was terrible at the arrival airport anyway, could a microburst have been the cause?
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Odd.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)no chance at all...
Buddha_of_Wisdom
(373 posts)Death spiral?
or something like that?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)The plane that crashed in Russia on Sunday rapidly lost speed and as it was attempting a second landing at Kazan airport, preliminary analysis of the flight recorder has shown. The plane then nosedived to the ground, killing all 50 people on board.
Forensic analysis indicates a technical failure as the likely cause of the deadly incident, Interfax reported, citing a source familiar with the investigation. Not everything went smoothly. There were technical difficulties minutes before the crash, just before the second landing attempt, the source said.
The source said that the results are preliminary and would not comment on the nature of the problems. He said, however, that apparently the plane lost much of its speed and stalled, which explained the nosedive seen on video footage taken by security cameras on the ground.
The data was recovered from the parametric flight recorder discovered at the crash site.
The probe is complicated by the absence of the recording capsule from the voice flight recorder, which apparently was destroyed when the powerful impact and explosion damaged the device. There is hope that the tape may be found among the fragments of the aircraft scattered across the airfield, rather than being obliterated.
http://rt.com/news/kazan-crash-flight-recorders-950/