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Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:53 PM Nov 2013

Jim Cooper Proposes Ban On Death Gratuity For Lawmakers' Spouses

Source: Huffington Post

Jim Cooper Proposes Ban On Death Gratuity For Lawmakers' Spouses
The Huffington Post | By Ashley Alman Posted: 11/23/2013 6:08 pm EST | Updated: 11/23/2013 6:14 pm EST

Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.) introduced a resolution in the House this week, proposing a ban on death gratuities for spouses of deceased lawmakers.

When a member of Congress dies in office, an item is inserted into the next appropriations bill, granting the equivalent of one year's pay to the survivors of the lawmaker.

On Saturday, Cooper told The Hill that members of Congress should not receive such "special treatment," but should secure their families' futures through life insurance, "like regular citizens."

"The death gratuity became customary starting in 1918 before the birth of modern life insurance (1924), the creation of Social Security (1935), the establishment of civil service pensions (1942), and health benefits under Medicare (1965)," Cooper said. "A lot has changed since 1918, and the gratuity custom should have been abandoned a long time ago."


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Jim Cooper Proposes Ban On Death Gratuity For Lawmakers' Spouses (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2013 OP
I'm good with this idea. Autumn Nov 2013 #1
"like regular citizens"???? bucolic_frolic Nov 2013 #2
Yep, because it is obviously the most important thing to do. Typical blue dog idiot. Mass Nov 2013 #3
I know of no other examples of Federal officialdom whose spouses get a year's pay as a benefit OmahaBlueDog Nov 2013 #4
May be, but there are a lot of more important things to do. This is grandstanding, Mass Nov 2013 #5
I don't have stats. I'd guess 1-2 per Congress OmahaBlueDog Nov 2013 #6
I doubt there would be much savings at all - in fact, it COULD be more expensive karynnj Nov 2013 #8
It would save all the money paid out. Thor_MN Nov 2013 #11
I may be wrong, but I think many in the private world have employer paid karynnj Nov 2013 #14
That's true but it used to be more prevalent. Lasher Nov 2013 #18
It's not exactly the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #10
Federal government employees HAVE a group life insurance policy, elleng Nov 2013 #19
This is what I'm saying OmahaBlueDog Nov 2013 #22
Idiot? Why are we funding the widow of some fat cat pol, for a year? SoapBox Nov 2013 #15
I wonder if life insurance on all Congress people would be more expensive. karynnj Nov 2013 #7
Good idea----AND TAKE AWAY THEIR SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE AS WELL... nikto Nov 2013 #9
They, and other federal employees, elleng Nov 2013 #20
He's gonna save, what, a penny per taxpayer with this grandstanding tomfoolery? Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #12
No. Why are we funding this? Why do the widows get a years wages? SoapBox Nov 2013 #16
Totally agree. AzDar Nov 2013 #13
I have a better idea jmowreader Nov 2013 #17
I agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #21

bucolic_frolic

(43,161 posts)
2. "like regular citizens"????
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 07:56 PM
Nov 2013

He will lose financial support for his campaigns fast

This is blasphemy in Washington

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
4. I know of no other examples of Federal officialdom whose spouses get a year's pay as a benefit
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:36 PM
Nov 2013

..and I think getting congress a group life policy would be fairly cheap and consistent with what other Federal workers do.

Mass

(27,315 posts)
5. May be, but there are a lot of more important things to do. This is grandstanding,
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:37 PM
Nov 2013

If Cooper wants to become a populist, he can support increasing Social Security and minimum wage.

He can reform this as well if he really wants, but this is something that will do no good for nobody (how many congresspeople die in office every year?).

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)
6. I don't have stats. I'd guess 1-2 per Congress
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:50 PM
Nov 2013

There are over 400 of them and they skew older.

I think Cooper would like to tackle an issue that actually has a chance of passing with bi-partisan support. If he's really interested in saving taxpayer money, he should champion defense procurement reform.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
8. I doubt there would be much savings at all - in fact, it COULD be more expensive
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:14 PM
Nov 2013

A group policy would use actuarial tables to calculate the expected cost and they would build in some profit. As it takes some stamina to run for office - even for an incumbent, they may be healthier than a random group with the same demographics.

It is very hard to see where this saves much at all.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. It would save all the money paid out.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:27 PM
Nov 2013

If congress secured their familie's futures like regular citizens (as suggested) they would get their own personal life insurance, not a government paid life insurance policy.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
14. I may be wrong, but I think many in the private world have employer paid
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:59 PM
Nov 2013

life insurance - I did and still do as a retiree of a major company. In some ways, this is like the Republicans complaining that the government pays part of their health care insurance.

Lasher

(27,596 posts)
18. That's true but it used to be more prevalent.
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 02:36 AM
Nov 2013

I retired from a major US corporation. We once had a retiree life insurance benefit that was highly similar to the one in the OP - one year's salary equivalent to the last year that the retiree worked. This degraded over the last 3 decades along with pensions and medical benefits. By the time I retired I got a $10,000 death benefit instead of one year's salary. And younger folks retiring today from the same employer probably won't get a death benefit at all.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. It's not exactly the same thing
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:07 PM
Nov 2013

Federal employees (and most other large scale employers) do provide death benefits which provide a lump sump benefit to survivors which roughly equal the amount of a severance package. Many unionized businesses and other corporate entities also provide survivors with a years salary. So it's not as if the practice is unheard of.

I'm sort of on the fence about the issue. On the one hand, many (if not most) members of congress are independently wealthy. On the other hand, some aren't (Dennis Kucinich is a good example). I'm not really a big fan of cutting the pay and benefits of members of congress because this only means the only ones who can afford to do it are those who are independently wealthy.

elleng

(130,904 posts)
19. Federal government employees HAVE a group life insurance policy,
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:05 AM
Nov 2013

through Met Life, and I assume (maybe mistakenly) that congressmembers can participate too. Its a good policy.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
15. Idiot? Why are we funding the widow of some fat cat pol, for a year?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:11 AM
Nov 2013

I think it's damn time for this 1918 perk to be gone.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
7. I wonder if life insurance on all Congress people would be more expensive.
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:09 PM
Nov 2013

The benefit - a year's salary is typical of what some companies provide their employees. As is, it is as if the Congress is self insuring that.

If the average Congress person is healthier than the average person in his/her demographic group, then it may well be cheaper to leave it as is.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
9. Good idea----AND TAKE AWAY THEIR SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE AS WELL...
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:05 PM
Nov 2013

Until ALL Americans can get Single-Payer too.

elleng

(130,904 posts)
20. They, and other federal employees,
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 03:09 AM
Nov 2013

do not have 'single-payer' health care, but very good insurance options through the Federal Employees Health Benefits plan.

http://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
12. He's gonna save, what, a penny per taxpayer with this grandstanding tomfoolery?
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 10:43 PM
Nov 2013

Let 'em have their stupid death benefits if they do things for the public welfare to earn it.

Double those death benefits if they pass Single Payer.

Quadruple the damn things if they significantly expand Social Security.

Give them to them eightfold if theyinstate an actual progressive income tax like we used to have before Raygun.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
16. No. Why are we funding this? Why do the widows get a years wages?
Sun Nov 24, 2013, 01:17 AM
Nov 2013

Politicians today are mostly VERY well off. They can save and/or have insurance like the rest of us. What companies pay widows a years wage? Walmart? Kmart? Target? Macy's? Not!

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