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Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:40 PM Dec 2013

New GOP Plan Would Save Military From Sequestration By Cutting Social Security

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- A pair of House Republicans have a new bill that would spare the military from sequestration by cutting the Social Security benefits of many Americans who already experience painful federal budget cuts.

Reps. Jim Bridenstine (R-Okla.) and Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) are introducing the Provide for the Common Defense Act on Tuesday. The legislation would cancel out the next two years of sequestration cuts for the Pentagon by putting a heavier burden on senior citizens and federal workers.

Specifically, the plan would change the way cost-of-living adjustments are calculated for Social Security, using a measurement called "chained CPI." The result would be less money in the pockets of beneficiaries. It would also increase federal employee retirement contributions and means-test Medicare premiums. Critics of means-testing argue that such a change would undermine the popularity of the program, turning it into welfare for lower-income Americans.

"Washington has a spending problem, but incessantly and mindlessly cutting national security will not get us out of our fiscal mess," said Lamborn in a statement. "President Obama must realize that out-of-control entitlement spending is drowning our country in debt. Our bill cancels national security sequestration for two years by enacting a few Obama-endorsed reforms that will actually produce over $300 billion in savings over ten years. Two-thirds of the savings will go toward debt reduction."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/03/military-sequestration_n_4377517.html

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New GOP Plan Would Save Military From Sequestration By Cutting Social Security (Original Post) Galraedia Dec 2013 OP
he does`t stand a chance in hell getting this done madrchsod Dec 2013 #1
Isn't this Obama's announced plan? RC Dec 2013 #2
They finally found something they agree on. Fuddnik Dec 2013 #7
The term "grand bargain" comes to mind for some reason n/t Fumesucker Dec 2013 #16
We have heard that term somewhere before. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #31
Why yes, yes it is, but with a far more awesome name than "Grand Bargain". WowSeriously Dec 2013 #20
The difference would seem to be in the destination for the supposed savings quakerboy Dec 2013 #23
"Provide for the Common Defense Act". Heck, our police departments are armed enough for that! arcane1 Dec 2013 #3
They should just cut out the middleman and duct tape social security recipients to tanks ck4829 Dec 2013 #4
A fairly large wrench to throw in the works jmowreader Dec 2013 #5
Social Security is not part of the general fund W T F Dec 2013 #6
That truth cannot be said enough. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2013 #9
Apparently that is of little significance to thieves. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #32
Fuck off and die, Republican slime Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #8
To really put money back into the federal kitty... Hubert Flottz Dec 2013 #15
Even the third way might go for that Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #19
The Third Way would never go for that. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #33
The President had that chance, twice, and passed. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #21
He thought he could buy the GOPer's love with Hubert Flottz Dec 2013 #30
He's only playing chess against the people. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #36
These cuts would destroy the broad-based support of SS and Medicare, and lead to MORE cuts. Faryn Balyncd Dec 2013 #10
just make sure you don't cut the fat out of those defense contracts the military doles out.... olddad56 Dec 2013 #11
Military vs Defense Contractors GoldenOldie Dec 2013 #13
Enough cuts to Social Security, Medicare & the like, and our way of life won't be worth defending... Journeyman Dec 2013 #12
And this because the Military is so good at providing good service for every dollar spent? rgbecker Dec 2013 #14
thanks for mentioning. I mean how in the hell can they get away with this? YOHABLO Dec 2013 #28
Complicity by the media and both polictial parties. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #34
Kicked for exposure! Phlem Dec 2013 #17
Assholes to the lot of 'em! LongTomH Dec 2013 #18
Because, you know, the military is always in need of more money sakabatou Dec 2013 #22
ASSHOLES! ---> Jim Bridenstine & Doug Lamborn L0oniX Dec 2013 #24
Uhhhhhh....Fuck No! SoapBox Dec 2013 #25
Hey 99%: thanks for loaning us $3 trillion for wars and MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #26
I'm Not Sure This Would Even Be Legal DallasNE Dec 2013 #27
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Dec 2013 #29
DOA! 4dsc Dec 2013 #35
SSI does not contribute to the deficit Jimbo S Dec 2013 #37
Paul Ryan’s Social Security plan: privatization mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #38

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
1. he does`t stand a chance in hell getting this done
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:46 PM
Dec 2013

cutting ss and farm subsidies.....go luck getting reelected

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. Isn't this Obama's announced plan?
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 08:47 PM
Dec 2013

He came out for the CPI. Or is Obama's plan totally different because he didn't announce his Chained CPI plan as helping the military?

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
23. The difference would seem to be in the destination for the supposed savings
Reply to RC (Reply #2)
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:41 PM
Dec 2013

Do we pay it directly to our MIC, or do we divert it to other programs.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
5. A fairly large wrench to throw in the works
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:00 PM
Dec 2013

Grover Norquist, to whom all our GOP elected officials are sworn to obey, doesn't accept using spending cuts for anything but paying for tax cuts. And besides, Social Security has its own funding source.

Let's play with this for a minute. The goal of any true-believer right-winger is to eliminate Social Security as part of a broader program to bring us back to the days when your parents lived with you after they turned 65. Since Social Security DOES have a separate tax that pays for it, eliminating Social Security would also eliminate the justification for that tax. And as everyone on both the left and the right can attest, Congress really does like having that pool of money to use. So let's see...we chop all the social spending that is funded by its own tax revenue stream, plus the taxes that fund it...at that point, when it's painfully obvious that the reason the budget is so far out of whack is spending on Perfect Weapons. (What's a Perfect Weapon? One that has at least one part made in each of our 435 congressional districts, of course, and in such a way no commercial-off-the-shelf part can ever be substituted.)

9. That truth cannot be said enough.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:20 PM
Dec 2013

Everytime the GOP (and some Dems, unfortunately) call SS an "entitlement" an angel loses its wings.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
8. Fuck off and die, Republican slime
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:12 PM
Dec 2013

If you can't give our retirements to you client banksters, you don't want anybody to have it even though it's our money.

Also, we can save money on the military by bringing more troops home from duty in the empire's colonies. I know it's disappointing to you, but we Americans don't make very good imperialists.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
30. He thought he could buy the GOPer's love with
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:06 AM
Dec 2013

cave in after cave in. He says he knows now that he can't make deals with "Political Terrorists." He says he's out of wimpy mode now and ready to be a real FDR type democrat. We shall see. You can't play chess with people who can't get past mumbely peg.

 

WowSeriously

(343 posts)
36. He's only playing chess against the people.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:19 AM
Dec 2013

He's not in FDR mode, either. That ship sailed in 2010. The best we can hope for now is that nothing gets done regarding the Grand Illusion Bargain.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
10. These cuts would destroy the broad-based support of SS and Medicare, and lead to MORE cuts.
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:21 PM
Dec 2013

Chained CPI and "means testing" of Medicare (which in reality means raising rates for the middle class) must be defeated.

"Means testing" which would require the middle class to pay more for Medicare will destroy the bi-partisan support for Medicare from the masses which is a big reason why politicians of both parties have so far not achieved these cuts. "Means testing" must be defeated if we are not to undermine the long term support for Medicare as an earned retirement benefit and not as a welfare program which would not receive such continued support.















olddad56

(5,732 posts)
11. just make sure you don't cut the fat out of those defense contracts the military doles out....
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 09:23 PM
Dec 2013

to the corporations that finance the republican candidates re-election campaigns. That would make entirely too much sense. Lets stick it to the poor, the sick and the elderly.

GoldenOldie

(1,540 posts)
13. Military vs Defense Contractors
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 10:18 PM
Dec 2013

The use of the term Military when in fact they are actually wanting more and more funding for Private Corporate Contractors. The actual boots on the ground/uniformed troops, are actually getting less funding and promisedcontracted support. Privatization of our citizen military is the biggest financial boondoggle that this Nation has ever seen. Trillions of dollars have been wasted and outright stolen by the very same Corporate thugs who swore to uphold the contents of the contracts. This is the Defense which General/President Eisenhower warned us of.....The Military Complex. The Pentagon is no longer occupied by USGovernment Civilian Employees but Corporate Lobbyists and their low waged employees at unbelievable costs to We the People.Congress and Corporate heads use the term Military to make us believe that this funding is required by our brave troops ..

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
34. Complicity by the media and both polictial parties.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 08:19 AM
Dec 2013

That's the way they do it.

Way past time to wake up.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
18. Assholes to the lot of 'em!
Tue Dec 3, 2013, 11:08 PM
Dec 2013

Pete Peterson, the Repuke House, all the media talking heads who are telling us we must, absolutely must cut Social Security and Medicare.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
26. Hey 99%: thanks for loaning us $3 trillion for wars and
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:34 AM
Dec 2013

keeping taxes low on the wealthiest!

As repayment, you're invited to go @$!# yourself. With barbed wire. Stupid @$!#ers.

Regards,

America's Republicans and Third Way

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
27. I'm Not Sure This Would Even Be Legal
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:42 AM
Dec 2013

Under sequester rules money cannot be transferred from one area to another. Yes, they could pass chained CPI but those savings cannot be transferred to the Defense Department. Also, Medicare already has means testing built in. Now they could change the levels, add new levels or increase the size of the penalty. This is from memory but it seems like the first increase kicks in at $85,000 and the 2nd at $134,000 -- it could be tied to inflation so the amounts could be a little higher today. I got hit by that in my first year of retirement because it was based on the prior years income that was before I retired and well over the $85,000 threshold. I was able to avoid it by providing current income figures that brought me well below that amount.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
29. If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ...
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 07:47 AM
Dec 2013

... just what is it the defense budget is defending?

mitty14u2

(1,015 posts)
38. Paul Ryan’s Social Security plan: privatization
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 12:19 PM
Dec 2013

Paul Ryan’s Social Security plan: privatization

http://underthemountainbunker.com/2012/08/12/paul-ryans-social-security-plan-privatization/

Oh no lets call it "”Personal Retirement Accounts”:

Privatize Social Security? In hard times all money diverted to private accounts would be spent by a enormous amount of people leaving them in a back to the future, pre-depression era, the old will be demoralized to die as soon as possible leaving room for the young and dumb to run things, killing off the old and wise. A perfect society for the elitist, well educated to keep control, culling and exploiting at will.

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