Poll: Pope Francis Has More Fans On The Left Than The Right

[DonViejo]

Source: TPM



TOM KLUDT – DECEMBER 11, 2013, 1:18 PM EST

Whether it was the criticism he drew from Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh or his own criticism of trickle-down economics, Pope Francis appears to be more popular on the left than the right.

A Washington Post/ABC News poll released Wednesay found plenty of love to go around for Pope Francis, who was named Time's person of the year on Wednesday. Overall, he's viewed favorably by 69 percent of all American adults. The pope's infallibility also seems firmly in check among his stateside flock: 92 percent of American Catholics said they view him favorably, compared with a mere four percent who view him unfavorably.

Sixty-four percent of all adults and 85 percent of Catholics said they approve of the direction Pope Francis is leading the church.

While majorities of all ideological and partisan groups also approve of the pope, he has more fans among liberals and Democrats. Seventy-one percent of Democrats and 72 percent of liberals said they approve of the direction the pope is leading the church, compared with 65 percent of Republicans and 57 percent of conservatives.




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[Walk away]

1. Why he's a regular Chris Christie!...nt

[Vashta Nerada]

2. And yet, his beliefs are more aligned with the right than the left.

[Vietnameravet]

23. Really? Yes the right also hates trickle down economics, ya sure!

[Vashta Nerada]

25. The right doesn't want gays and women to have rights, just like the Pope.

[happyslug]

52. You sure about that?

Now, the pope has come out against Gay Marriage, but the official position is no dissemination against someone who is gay (but The church also asks all homosexuals NOT to do homosexual acts).

I know people will say that is a conflict and that is true, but that is the Church's position on Homosexuality.

Here is the Catechism of the Catholic Church that covers homosexuals:
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

You have to remember the Church is both socially conservative AND economically progressive (much like most of Labor, another progressive group that gets bashed on DU). The key is what do you value MORE social equality OR economic equality? The Catholic Church and Labor tends to favor the later.

Thus if you favor helping the poor and the working class, treating gays fairly is a secondary issue at best and many Democrats have to make a decision, do they want economic improvements of social improvement? This has always been a way for the 1% (I refuse to call them Conservative for they are NOT, they are right wing, but want change that helps themselves, NOT keep things the way they are which is what a true conservative stands for) to divide up the Democratic party. The 1% wants to keep economic unfairness alive and well and is more then willing to permit Social improvements to occur. One way they fight economic fairness is to break up the Democratic Coalition by offering sections of that coalition some social improvement. The Class is case is the Civil Rights Movement, it had a lot of support from the GOP till King started to advocate economic improvements, that is when he really started being called dangerous. In many ways King went to Memphis to demand ECONOMIC justice not just racial justice (and many people believed that is why he was killed). The GOP was willing to support the end to segregation as long as Labor could be weakened. When the 1% found out that African Americans were becoming the most pro union segment of the population, Civil Rights improvements died out and only then did the GOP come out against Civil Rights.

The same is true of the Catholic Church, John Paul II was a socialist at heart (but anti-Communist), Benedict was not quite the Socialist John Paul II was but still supported Economic help for the poor and the working class. This Pope is just slightly to John Paul II left on economics.

[olddad56]

38. but his beliefs are way left of any of his predecessors.

It doesn't have to be black or white. I see some hope with him. This Pope is a big improvement over all the others. He thinks more like a human being than most republicans.

[Vashta Nerada]

39. No. They're not.

Ratz held the same beliefs, as did Pope John Paul II before him.

Francis just has better PR to make you believe he's better.

[cali]

56. why of course. that's why that infamous right wing, anti-LGBT rag, The Advocate

voted him person of the year.

gad.

[Vashta Nerada]

57. Why the hell would they do that?

He's about as anti-gay as one can get.



Oh. They're brainwashed by his PR team as well.

[cali]

58. uh, because he's not as YOU portray him.

but then you are utterly prejudiced against him and actually believe such utter nonsense as that the editors and publishers of the leading LGBT newspaper are "brainwashed" by the Pope's PR team.

laughable.

[Vashta Nerada]

60. Yeah. Okay.

I should just look the other way at this then:

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html

[randome]

3. I think there's some truth to that.

The 'Left' typically welcomes change, even incremental change when the Pope's positions are compared with Catholic ideology as a whole.

It's not nearly enough change but it is undeniably change.
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[RainDog]

4. He's making life uncomfortable for Republican Catholics

As far as his economic ideas go, however, he misses out that his concepts of economic justice need to be wedded to equality for women and members of the GLBT community to have a true message of compassion in economic policy.

[HockeyMom]

6. That is the only pass I will give him as a former Catholic

At least he is getting back to the basics about poverty, the sick, and the elderly. Religion is ONLY about gay marriage, contraceptions, and abortion? The US Republicans just want to focus on the latter, and screw the former. Who cares what happens after they are ALREADY BORN?

I

[CatholicEdHead]

34. One step at a time

He has toned down most of the negative rhetoric for women and the GLBTQ community and called for more tolerance. It is more than has been done before. It is a step in the right direction, he may continue on that way in the future, stopping the hate is the first step towards acceptance.

[Titonwan]

5. Off Topic (HuffPo question)

Yeah, I like the pope. Does anyone know how to 'quit' the Huffington Post? I don't mean just not sign in anymore- I mean deleting my account? They (hp) just started a Nazi requirement that you MUST have a FaceFuck(book) account and a valid cell phone number. People are leaving in droves.
Thanks in advance to anyone that knows the quitting routine.

[Beacool]

9. I wanted to find out if there's a way to go around the Facebook requirement.

I say on these sites the same thing that I would say to anyone if I was looking them in the eye, but I don't want my personal information all over the internet. I have a Facebook account that I rarely use. Once in a while I check to see what's going on and that's about it.

Why should my RL name be plastered all over the Huff? I think that it's dangerous and I also don't want my job and certain others to know my political views and my every thought.

I think that what the Huff is doing is an invasion of privacy.

[dvncmdy]

12. HP

I quit HP today after years of enjoying the ability to vent without anyone knowing who I am. I think they made a big mistake. Before I left I went from 3802 fans to 3660. They complain about the NSA and yet Face Book and Google can data mine all they want. To me, this was the epitome of hypocrisy from Huffington

[Beacool]

15. Exactly!!

They also don't realize that by exposing the posters' real names, they may be putting them in danger of stalkers or other nuts who may zero on them because they disagree with their posts. It's a crazy world out there.

[dvncmdy]

10. Huffington Post

I hear ya! I deleted my account not 10 minutes ago....and came here for the first time today! Go to your profile and edit preferences....go all the way to the bottom of the page....you should see how to cancel.

[Beacool]

11. I wonder how many went and deleted their accounts.

I enjoyed the Huff, but I won't be posting any comments under these new rules.

[dvncmdy]

17. Fleeing

They are fleeing faster the than the East Germans before the wall went up.....

[Beacool]

18. I imagined that they would.

BTW, Don Viejo, we seem to have hijacked your thread on the Pope.

My apologies.

[DonViejo]

29. Not a problem Beacool....

No need to apologize, either.

[Beacool]

30. Thanks........

[Titonwan]

32. Well, I do

I apologize for intruding, but a well known website has just introduced just one more peg into a world of fascism. Corporate owned government.

[dvncmdy]

47. Ghost Town

HP is losing a lot of people in protest. The comments are blistering and very few are comfortable with it. I was enraged myself. What's the use if you can't speak as you wish? all it becomes is a conformists way to try and control in the name of "civility". It's BS. I like to vent. So, what will happen is more people like myself will search out other venues and find us here. I look forward to making new friends and finding those that had been on HP join us.

[Titonwan]

54. Hold on, help's on the way...

http://omidyargroup.com/pov/NewCoNews
That's Glenn Greenwald's new digs. From my knowledge of reading him for over a decade is he's not going to give in to corporate pressure to blunt his reporting. He'll retain his ironclad contracts for full editorial control (e.g. no butt sucking to stay employed). That is vital in these times.

[dvncmdy]

59. Cool

...thanks! I'll book mark it!


Arianna can go foch herself

[hlthe2b]

14. Add me to the list of those "driven off in droves"

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How dare HuffPo constantly back anti-obama anti NSA surveillance activities while clearly violating privacy to this extent themselves. The hypocrisy is stunning.

I am not about to establish a FB account for the same reasons and I'll be damned if I will post my real name for them to "verify"

Deleted my account today, but the automatically generated message that HUFFPO leaves behind after you delete your account (visible to thosewho had been following you) is offensive in that it sounds as though HuffPo had banned rather than the account had been self-closed. Ass holes to the very end.

[Titonwan]

33. So did you delete yer account or just stop posting? There's a difference.

[hlthe2b]

37. deleted...n/t

[hlthe2b]

16. You should really post a separate thread on this topic. Untill I saw this post, I had no idea

I immediately checked it out and just deleted my account.

[dvncmdy]

19. Thread

...I agree, I think there should be a separate thread for this topic. I started looking for other sites to start venting on without having to give up my privacy and found this place. Last day at HP and first day here. I also agree with you on the hypocrisy of HP and the NSA.....

[Vashta Nerada]

22. Make a fake account and use a fake phone number.

I do that.

[Titonwan]

35. sorry bruddah

If I wanted to do that, I'd be a fuckin' republican't. I got this life- I'm doing it correct.

[Vashta Nerada]

36. So I'm a republican because I don't want to give companies my real info?

O....k.....

[Titonwan]

40. You sound like a liar

I'm here to express my real thoughts. My identity should be irrelevant. You should be alarmed at what you're required to submit to prove who you are but you seem to be subservient to the 'powers that be'. Just what are you sayin'?

[Vashta Nerada]

41. I don't give websites my real info.

I don't want them to have it and they don't need it. So I provide a way around it. I give fake info. Does wanting to protect my identity and information make me a bad person?

Is it lonely up there on your high horse?

[Vietnameravet]

24. can you tell me what his has to do with the Pope and you chose to ask this here? Just curious..

[Titonwan]

31. One thousand pardons, sire.

I merely asked an ancient ritual and you go all modern on m3.

[Beacool]

7. Does that come as a surprise to anyone?

Limbaugh thinks he's a Communist and Fox has spent some time trashing him. They miss old Benedict.

[Vietnameravet]

26. Yes they worship Supply Side Liberal Hating Jesus!

[dvncmdy]

8. Jesus

If Jesus came back today he too would have more fans on the Left than the Right

[pampango]

21. He may not have any fans on the right at all.

And welcome to DU.

[FiveGoodMen]

28. Well, he didn't the first time, either.

(according to the gospels)

[dvncmdy]

45. Touche'

.....well done!

[dvncmdy]

48. Thanks

Nice to be here!

The Right wouldn't know charity if it hit them in the head with collection plate

[madrchsod]

13. well duh....

[booley]

20. just reinforces my belief

Religion is just the excuse people do to justify what they wanted to do anyway.

[blkmusclmachine]

43. +1. Religion is a great hoax.

[libodem]

27. Wish he would step onto the 21st Century

And let up on the old stance against family planning, accept gays, and let women be priests and allow priests to be married.

There are a lot of people that have to sneak around and hide their true behaviors to stay in good with the church.

[Nihil]

44. It's a hell of a long step from the 15th ...

... so I think he's moving along remarkably quickly for how long he's been in the job.

> And let up on the old stance against family planning, accept gays, and let women
> be priests and allow priests to be married.

Hear, hear. Hopefully some (if not all) of that will be in the next few years, one step
forward at a time.


> There are a lot of people that have to sneak around and hide their true behaviors
> to stay in good with the church.

That's their problem then isn't it?

If they are so shallow & hypocritical that they would rather pretend to be something
that they're not in order to "stay in good" with an organisation that doesn't mesh with
their own beliefs/behaviours/attitudes/lives then they are their own worst enemy (rather
like the morons who vote for republicans when it directly harms their own lives).

I don't like evangelical or scientology or fascist or racist groups or ... or ...
so I don't join them and that way we're both happy.

[libodem]

49. I'm loving the humility

And his apparent vow of poverty but it seems we ladies must 'stay in our place'. He has a way to go.

[blkmusclmachine]

42. Same old RCC. Anti abortion, anti science, anti democracy, and anti GLBT.

Hey, Pope, what've you done about your child molesters and money launderers???

[warrant46]

50. I'm afraid -- Not Much -- In fact its getting Worse !!!

Bankrupt Archdiocese Tries To Limit Abuse Claims

http://www.npr.org/2012/02/16/146995458/bankrupt-wis-church-tries-to-limit-abuse-claims


Nine Catholic archdioceses around the country have filed for bankruptcy over the past decade, including the Archdiocese of Milwaukee. In each case, this followed multimillion-dollar claims from victims sexually abused by priests and other church employees.

LEGAL HARDBALL

Milwaukee's case is different from all the others in one important way: The church there is playing legal hardball and trying to dramatically limit the claims of 570 people who say they were abused.

It's Mass at St. Vincent Pallotti Church, and about 200 parishioners sing, pray, and then watch a videotaped appeal from Milwaukee Archbishop Jerome Listecki. The church is beginning an annual fund drive. Listecki makes clear that the money will go to programs like Catholic schools and adult day care, and will not be part of the yearlong Chapter 11 bankruptcy case.

"Your gift will be segregated from other assets of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee and used solely to support the appeal-funded ministry," Listecki says.

[Tom Rinaldo]

46. I'm surprised that 62% of Republicans support him

I guess it's hard to write off a pope.

[Arkana]

53. Francis is no liberal paragon, but he's a step forward

for a church that has to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future every 500 goddamn years.

[S.A.M]

55. Catholocism: Correct on Economics...

The church has alway's sided with the poor. Horay for them. But...when it comes to morality...forget about it. When comes to the subject of Abortion, Homosexuality, drugs or gambling, they sound like your garden variety of protestant fundamentalists and let's not forget Islamists. That is why I am a Agnostic...