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alp227

(32,023 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 06:41 PM Dec 2013

By cracking cellphone code, NSA has capacity for decoding private conversations

Source: Washington Post

The cellphone encryption technology used most widely across the world can be easily defeated by the National Security Agency, an internal document shows, giving the agency the means to decode most of the billions of calls and texts that travel over public airwaves every day.

While the military and law enforcement agencies long have been able to hack into individual cellphones, the NSA’s capability appears to be far more sweeping because of the agency’s global signals collection operation. The agency’s ability to crack encryption used by the majority of cellphones in the world offers it wide-ranging powers to listen in on private conversations.

U.S. law prohibits the NSA from collecting the content of conversations between Americans without a court order. But experts say that if the NSA has developed the capacity to easily decode encrypted cellphone conversations, then other nations likely can do the same through their own intelligence services, potentially to Americans’ calls, as well.

Encryption experts have complained for years that the most commonly used technology, known as A5/1, is vulnerable and have urged providers to upgrade to newer systems that are much harder to crack. Most companies worldwide have not done so, even as controversy has intensified in recent months over NSA collection of cellphone traffic, including of such world leaders as German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/by-cracking-cellphone-code-nsa-has-capacity-for-decoding-private-conversations/2013/12/13/e119b598-612f-11e3-bf45-61f69f54fc5f_story.html

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By cracking cellphone code, NSA has capacity for decoding private conversations (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2013 OP
The NSA is the military... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #1
Oh yeah? Where would the NSA get ~$8.4 trillion in funding over the past decade? Orrex Dec 2013 #2
Where did you get the 8 trillion number? SoapBox Dec 2013 #8
How did you jump to that conclusion? ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #4
It's always been a part of the military and led by generals. Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #5
That would probably not meet the normal definition ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #9
What do you think the Department of Defense is? Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #10
... Never mind.... ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #11
Oh, but the NSA wouldn't do something like that. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #3
Only terrorists... And we're all terrorists now, lol grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #24
Joe Biden speaks out!!!! bvar22 Dec 2013 #6
but I thought the NSA already had everything we say and what we surf already stored. Whisp Dec 2013 #7
There is not enough server space for that. ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #12
I wouldn't think so! But people still believe that. Whisp Dec 2013 #13
Congrats on being able to explain it to others! ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #14
You don't store it. Archaic Dec 2013 #21
Exactly! ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #22
They might not have everything but they sure as hell can have anything and I find that to be every Ed Suspicious Dec 2013 #15
that story was flogged here by many, and many times. Whisp Dec 2013 #16
Cell phone conversations were not always encrypted Progressive dog Dec 2013 #17
how long till criminals and terrorists figure out... quadrature Dec 2013 #18
9/11 and NSA. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #19
Which came first? Martak Sarno Dec 2013 #20
K n/t Indi Guy Dec 2013 #23
Big Brother - Thy Name Is NSA - The Intelligence Community Is Out Of Control cantbeserious Dec 2013 #25

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
2. Oh yeah? Where would the NSA get ~$8.4 trillion in funding over the past decade?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

Surely such a scandalously huge amount would be noticed if it went missing from some other agency's budget, right?


Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
5. It's always been a part of the military and led by generals.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:31 PM
Dec 2013

The National Security Agency (NSA) is the main producer and manager of signals intelligence for the United States. Estimated to be one of the largest of U.S. intelligence organizations in terms of personnel and budget, the NSA operates under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense and reports to the Director of National Intelligence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

In fact the NSA and the CIA are rivals.

Fact: Petraeus brags your appliances are spying on you (purview of the NSA)
- CIA Chief: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher

Fact: Petraeus destroyed when his gmail hacked (purview of the NSA)

Fact: Former CIA employee Edward Snowden leaks documents potentially destroying the NSA or at least hampering their ability to dominate the intelligence space.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
3. Oh, but the NSA wouldn't do something like that.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:10 PM
Dec 2013

They're only interested in phone numbers.

La di da, doo doo.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
6. Joe Biden speaks out!!!!
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:31 PM
Dec 2013


Thank Gawd someone is on our side!
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what?
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[font size=1]Oops!
My Bad.
That was before HE became Vice-President.
Obviously, he has "evolved" since then.
Please ignore this post.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
7. but I thought the NSA already had everything we say and what we surf already stored.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:31 PM
Dec 2013

somewhere.



?

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
13. I wouldn't think so! But people still believe that.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:11 PM
Dec 2013

there was a guy on TED talks, he was into internet security and such and he led his audience to believe that everything was stored, somewhere, illegally. I was really disappointed in the blatant misinformation and why TED would b a part of that. The guy obviously was using scare tactics to beef up his own computer and internet security business.

It took a lot of talking to get my husband to understand some key points. One being there is not enough darn room to store Everything, Every day. And of course that whole huge misunderstanding of what metadata is and isn't and what secure ftp sites are and are not - for transferring files to the law.

This TED guy made it sound like the NSA and whoever can just walk into all the servers that Google, Verison and all those have, and just stroll around and take whatever they wanted. Which is b.s.

Archaic

(273 posts)
21. You don't store it.
Sat Dec 14, 2013, 12:06 AM
Dec 2013

You process it.

I just met with a storage vendor yesterday that handles the processing back end for the text messaging/data usage for one of the main US telecoms. They've put a building full of this gear up to process those transactions for billing and other things. We use their gear to turn 32 hour analytic runs into 1 hour analytic runs.

You peel off the interesting stuff, and put it on the slow disk, then tape it if you really want it for later. My company of 1500 people spends $100K a year on TAPE, and a couple million on storage. You can imagine what the big guys spend.

So they don't have to store it until they can read it all, they process it, file the useful stuff and trash the rest. How many pizza calls are happening right now? How many Bieber texts? All that crap is filtered right where it belongs.

Dump it all and process the next batch.

Put that in enough places, and yeah, you can absolutely do that.

The telecoms are for profit companies, that have shareholders and have to report financials. Imagine what an NSA/DIA can do with black budgets.

The point doesn't have to be that they've got everything ever. It's that they can capture it live, and just keep throwing more storage and more CPU at it until they can effectively process it and purge the crap faster.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
15. They might not have everything but they sure as hell can have anything and I find that to be every
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:54 PM
Dec 2013

bit as troubling as the former.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
16. that story was flogged here by many, and many times.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:58 PM
Dec 2013

that the NSA had Everything. Every phone all, every site you visited.
and they are holding it all in some huge building, somewhere....




I guess you missed that?

Progressive dog

(6,903 posts)
17. Cell phone conversations were not always encrypted
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:58 PM
Dec 2013

and the article did explain that

U.S. law prohibits the NSA from collecting the content of conversations between Americans without a court order. But experts say that if the NSA has developed the capacity to easily decode encrypted cellphone conversations, then other nations likely can do the same through their own intelligence services, potentially to Americans’ calls, as well.
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The ability of the NSA to decode a particular targeted foreign cell phone isn't earth shaking. The NSA is a spy agency. The foreign governments would need access to the encrypted conversations to have something to decode.


 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
18. how long till criminals and terrorists figure out...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:04 PM
Dec 2013

that their cell-phones have a direct link to
the FBI?

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