Passengers evacuated 'just in time' before Israel bus bomb

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: CNN

A bomb exploded on a public bus in Israel on Sunday, moments after passengers evacuated.

Someone spotted a suspicious bag and reported it to the driver, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said.

"The passengers were immediately taken off the bus," he said, and made it out safely "just in time."

The bomb detonated while an expert was examining the bag. He was shaken, Rosenfeld said, but not injured seriously.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/world/meast/israel-bus-bomb-explosion/

[Ace Acme]

1. Israel has been finding its public support in the USA ebbing.

One of the reasons for this is that the Muslim population is the USA is growing very fast, and ten years ago few of us knew any Muslims. Now we do, and we can see that they're people too, and they don't deserve the demonization they have been suffering in this country my entire life.

So when I hear about this bus bombing, I ask myself: If I were Mossad and charged with trying to reverse the trend of poor regard for Israel's actions, what would I do? Well, given that so many Americans are so emotional about the Holy Land, an attack on civilians would be very effective propaganda to increase sympathy for Israel. The bloodier the better. (The slaughter of the innocents and all that.) The Mossad would be tempted. But highers up with hearts would say "a miss is as good as a mile". They'd plant a bomb on a bus and ensure that someone detects it before it goes off. That's almost as effective.

Now if I were Palestinian and I wanted to hurt Israel, the LAST thing I would do is bomb a bus during the Christmas season. Totally counterproductive.

Cui bono?

[iandhr]

2. Ah the tin foil hat people come out.

I was wondering how long it would take.

[Kurska]

3. Unfounded conspriacy theories about Jewish peopleare nothing new

But they don't belong on a progressive forum.

[Ace Acme]

5. It would only be an unfounded conspiracy theory to think Palestinians did it.

It would hurt the Palestinian cause. The only cause it serves is that of the Mossad.

[Kurska]

7. Given the long very bloody Islamic extremist attacks on Israel.

Your contention that there are no Muslims that would want to harm Israel and that this must be the work of Mossad is absolutely laughable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

Were all of these false flag attacks by Mossad aswell?

[Ace Acme]

10. I didn't say that no Muslims would want to harm Israel.

I said that this particular incident harms the Palestinians and serves Israel. No Muslim who wants to effectively harm Israel would do a bus bombing in the Christmas season.

If you wish to be persuasive, try not to be so emotional.

Given the long history of bloody attacks, those who were aware of that history and charged with planning effective attacks would know that a Christmas attack would be extremely counter-productive.

[Kurska]

13. Why on earth do you think Muslim Extremists would have any aversion to attacking near xmas?

Attacking a heavily armed military with cheap rockets is incredibly counterproductive, yet they do it anyways. Blowing up groups of jewish tourists in Bulgaria is counter productive, yet they do it anyways.

Your premise doesn't hold up in light of what we historically know.

[Ace Acme]

25. Because, as i explained, it's counter-productive.

It pushes American Zionists' Holy-Lane buttons.

What's counterproductive about attacking a heavily armed military with cheap rockets? Vietnamese patriots with satchel charges drove the USA out of Vietnam. Afghan patriots armed with IEDs are forcing the USA out of Afghanistan.

[Kurska]

26. So was flying planes into the towers in the most powerful nation on earth.

Why do you think Islamic extremists don't do counter productive things? When you think god is on your side giving you a free pass to murder your opponents, you tend to do a lot of counter productive things.

[Ace Acme]

29. Flying the airplanes into the towers does appear to have been counter-productive for some

... and very productive for others. Thus it's natural to question who that served, and thus who actually did it.

Maybe the 28 redacted pages from the congressional Joint Inquiry would provide a clue.

Why do you suppose those pages are secret?

[Kurska]

31. "Thus it's natural to question who that served, and thus who actually did it. "

[Ace Acme]

32. Argument by emoticon may not be on the list of logical fallacies

... but it should be.

[Kurska]

34. Goodbye Troofer

First person I've ever put on ignore.

[Ace Acme]

35. The 9/11 widows gave the 9/11 Commission 300 questions. They got 27 answers.

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Am I to suppose that you think they should be satisfied with 9% answers?

[LeftyMom]

15. Why would muslims attacking jews give a fraction of a shit about a christian holiday?

That's just dumb.

American christians are not the center of the universe. Really.

[Ace Acme]

33. Because attacking in the Christian holiday time of peace would generate headlines

... and notice at places like DU, whereas attacking at other times with no one even hurt (but only "shook up&quot
wouldn't make for any notice at all.

[LeftyMom]

36. The holidays are a giant hole where news goes to die.

People are shopping and traveling and frantically trying to finish work. They're not watching the news.

Your conspiracy theory is painfully illogical.

[Ace Acme]

39. So you think a bus bombing would not be news at holiday time.

And yet, here we are talking about a dud bus bombing at holiday time.

Do you remember the airplane bombing at Rome airport at holiday time back in the 1970s?

[Bonobo]

37. Everyone knows the last thing terrorists want is headlines!

Oh, wait.

[former9thward]

16. Do you believe the Arab theory that Israel was behind 9/11?

That theory states Israel told all the Jews to stay home that day. It has a much behind it as your CT.

[Ace Acme]

28. I didn't have a CT.

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I simply put forth a logical cui bono analysis that nobody has even tried to refute, pointing out that the Israeli propaganda apparatus would gain much from this alleged attack, while it would hurt the Palestinian cause.

I don't know who was behind 9/11. I don't see it as benefiting Israel.

The Mossad warned about 9/11. They warned of 19 terrorists inside the USA planning something big. They even named names. Only 4 of the names have been released, but they include 2 alleged 9/11 pilots (one of whom was alleged to be the ringleader) and 2 alleged 9/11 hijackers .

These two alleged hijackers were known al Qaeda agents, known by both the FBI and CIA to be inside the USA, and they bought 10 airline tickets under their own real names dated 9/11/01, which fact could have been turned up by a simple credit card check (according to Bob Woodward). An FBI rookie assigned to investigate them wanted to run such a check, and was discouraged by a superior.

I'm not aware of any warning to all Jews to stay home that day. There was a warning from the Odigo corporation to its employees to warn them to stay away from the WTC. There's evidence that the Mossad knew the attacks were going to happen. That's not evidence that they did them.

[Bonobo]

38. Cui bono is not, under the most generous measures, an "analysis". nt

[Ace Acme]

40. Interesting theory. Perhaps you would like to elaborate. nt

[7962]

22. SoI guess they've stopped shooting rockets into Israel every day for Christmas?

They dont care. They equate Israeli civilians with tanks.

[penultimate]

17. Countries/groups often times do things that seem counter-productive to their goals

We just have to look out our country's use of our military around the world. Also, the Palestinians have a history of using such tactics. Are you suggesting that all previous attacks of a similar nature were false flag operations?

[Ace Acme]

30. Our use of the military around the world is highly productive

... to the military-industrial-congressional-security-lobbyist-media complex that actually calls the shots.

[WilliamPitt]

4. Oh, those sneaky sneaky Joooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos.

[Ace Acme]

6. I can see I was mistaken to think people here could be rational about this.

I too was an emotional defender of Israel, complete with willful blindness, until I was 55 years old. Some Jewish friends opened my eyes.

[WilliamPitt]

8. "Some of my best friends are Jewish..."

First Law Of Holes: when in a hole, stop digging.

[Kurska]

9. Yes "Jewish friends"

Why do people defaming a group of people always claim to have friends from that group of people?

[Ace Acme]

11. I didn't defame anyone, let alone a "group of people".

I can understand your hair-trigger on the subject. I was the same, for decades. My Jewish friends had the knowledge of Israel that I lacked, and that no one else I knew had. They had been there many times, and lived there many years. So they had credibility with me, and were able to tell me things I couldn't hear from anyone else.

I didn't defame anyone, let alone an entire group of people. I merely suggested that professional propaganda operatives in the performance of their normal duties had far more to gain from this incident in which no one was killed than did the people that you apparently assume were the perpetrators.

[Kurska]

14. You're accusing the Jewish state of nearly blowing up a bus full of it's own citizens.

With zero evidence for this, besides "Oh my lord Muslim Extremists would never attack over xmas, so the jews must be trying to fake this"

[Ace Acme]

24. Where ever did you get such a silly idea?

A dud attack was no threat. Only the claim that some minor injury was inflicted gives it any credibility at all.

(And also, it's "its" not "it's". I'm sure you know that, but the error betrays your emotionalism.)

[azurnoir]

19. actually Israeli police first pointed at gangster rivalry's in the Bat Yam area

The authorities had initially suggested the attack might have been connected to an often violent power struggle among gangsters in the Bat Yam area.

"We urge the public to be particularly vigilant on public transport including buses and trains, and in shopping centres in case of other attempted attacks," police spokeswoman Luba Samri told AFP.

There was no immediate claim for the attack, but a spokesman for the Islamist Hamas movement ruling Gaza praised the operation.

"Hamas welcomes the Bat Yam operation and considers it a courageous and heroic response to the crimes of the occupation," Fawzi Barhum said.

http://news.yahoo.com/explosion-israeli-bus-no-casualties-police-130923258.html

but I'm sure they meant Arab gangsters because most of the Abergil family and it's associates are in prison, and of course Hamas has we're told commended the purps so it must be Palestinians

[7962]

23. That cracks me up every time!

[bhikkhu]

12. The Muslim population in the US is about .9%

apparently this small number is viewed favorably enough that they are disproportionately persuasive?

Bombings are almost always counterproductive, as are rocket attacks and just about every other form of violence used. By your reasoning, the Israelis have been very busy for years attacking themselves.

[DavidDvorkin]

18. What a revolting and shameful post.

[JudyM]

20. +1 n/t

[GoneFishin]

21. To find the truth follow the money, or in this case, the sympathy capital.

Cheap shots don't wipe away the fact that those who had the means, motive, and opportunity to pull off a near miss are not the Palestinians. The Palestinians would have the ever-loving snot beat out of them militarily, politically and morally.

Think about it logically ... or don't.

[Ranchemp.]

27. Wow, that's pretty fucked up there fella.