Company makes good on leaving Colo. over gun laws

[alp227]

Source: AP

CHEYENNE, Wyo. (AP) — One of the country's largest producers of ammunition magazines for guns is leaving Colorado and moving operations to Wyoming and Texas because of new state laws that include restrictions on how many cartridges a magazine can hold.

Erie, Colo.-based Magpul Industries Corp. announced Thursday that it was moving its production, distribution and shipping operations to Cheyenne and its headquarters to Texas, making good on a vow it made to leave Colorado during last year's gun control debate.

"Moving operations to locations that support our culture of individual liberties and personal responsibility is important," Magpul CEO Richard Fitzpatrick said in a statement. "Moving to a true multi-state operation will also allow Magpul to utilize the strengths of both Texas and Wyoming as we continue to expand."

Wyoming Gov. Matt Mead said in a statement that Wyoming offers Magpul "a firm commitment to uphold the Second Amendment."

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/company-makes-good-leaving-colo-over-gun-laws

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Denver Post: Magpul announces move to Texas, Wyoming

Casper Star-Tribune: Colorado firearms accessory manufacturer Magpul relocating to Wyoming, Texas

(Cheyenne) Wyoming Tribune Eagle: Ammo manufacturer to relocate to Cheyenne

[civillawyer]

1. How many jobs lost?

n/t.

[HERVEPA]

2. How many lives not lost?

[Duckhunter935]

10. you do know that

they will still make the magazines and accessories? You also know that there are tens of thousands of 20 and 30 round magazines that are perfectly legal already in the state and they have not killed anybody.

I hope the majority of the 200 that want to are able to move and keep their jobs.

Second company is also moving.

It is the second Colorado company involved in making gun accessories to relocate operations to Wyoming since Colorado's new gun laws were enacted.

HiViz Shooting Systems, a company based in Fort Collins, Colo., that makes gun sights and other accessories, announced earlier that it was moving its core operations to Laramie, about 50 miles west of Cheyenne.

[HERVEPA]

14. Jobs lost there, gained somewhere else

Someday the proliferation of these types of weapons and magazines will be though of as insane.
Maybe not in my lifetime, but some day.

[PSPS]

3. More importantly, how many lives saved?

[Demo_Chris]

20. None. Just some Colorado jobs lost. nt

[LordGlenconner]

24. There will be more coming along

This is a state that's got it going on for a lot of reasons. Tourism, infrastructure, economy.

It will survive.

[Demo_Chris]

63. Of course. nt

[civillawyer]

40. Apparently no lives saved

Because Magpul is taking their show on the road. Just thinking about the workers.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. First link says 200

[bowens43]

7. does it matter? colorado made the right decision.

[HERVEPA]

16. Yes! Someone gets it!

[civillawyer]

41. My only thought is..

that Magpul is going to continue what it's doing elsewhere. Colorado made its point.

[intheflow]

50. Most of the 200 employees are going with the company to WY.

It's only about an hour north of where they work now. Not really a big deal out here. I, personally, commute an hour each way to my job, and I live one town over from Erie.

[Skittles]

5. gun humpers are always welcome in Texas

[Duckhunter935]

11. whats a gun humper?

[canuckledragger]

27. You should know.

Here you are again harassing people that show even a hint of a negative gun attitude.

Why feign ignorance when your apologist attitude is so well known?

[Duckhunter935]

31. how am I harrassing people?

can you post some examples please?

When have i been an apologist, again can you post some examples?

when you can not, please apologize to me

[canuckledragger]

33. No apologies needed from me or anyone else.

Here you are harrasing a few folks, under the guise of 'waaah, you're not following the RULES!!11!'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024177270

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024176875

...and whining about it when you've been exposed.

[Duckhunter935]

37. Thats pretty lame

I posted on what the rules were in GD at that time. After Skinner ruled to open guns back up I had no issues. It was not whining as you say, I pointed out the OP already had one thread locked.

If that's harassment, news to me

By the way those people are the same ones that block people from their "safe zone" for not "following the rule" , nice double standard.

[canuckledragger]

38. That was just a few examples.

You tend to try and bully anyone that puts your 'precious' in a negative light, carefully toeing the line so that you don't get your posts hidden and a potential ban.

[Duckhunter935]

39. I just try and be

respectful of others viewpoints. I do correct some that put out obvious false information by posting links to the correct information. I hope that is one of the reasons I have not had posts hidden. Some others around here do not ever want to hear an opposing viewpoint and have even been given a "safe haven" for their discussion. I have been alerted on but some of the jury comments were kind of sorry. Some like "I like free speech unless it is from a gun owner, they should not be allowed that right so I voted to hide". Something like that, I do not remember exact words.

[canuckledragger]

43. What you're doing is called 'bullying', not 'correcting'

The 'safe haven' you mentioned is the result of your careful toeing the line, which I mentioned up above.

You have been alerted on because of this.

You are not being persecuted for "I like free speech unless it is from a gun owner, they should not be allowed that right"

You do not offer an opposing viewpoint, you try to censor others' posts that you don't agree with with your interpretation of 'the rules.'

typical projection on your part.

[Duckhunter935]

44. How many times have I alerted in GD?

since you seem to know so much about me and how I think.

I tend to alert very little and I do not think I have alerted about guns in GD since that GUNZ post before Skinner allowed guns back in GD. I think the exception is over again and I have not alerted.

I was blocked in that "safe haven" after a couple of posts the hosts did not like, no warning no appeal.

I try and being civil and I guess I am doing it right since my posts are net being hidden.

As a gun owner, I have been called names, called a killer, a future murderer. And correcting is pointing out with citation where another poster is putting out false information. At least I link to a source. Most on the other side of the issue do not. They just yell "NRA talking points" and leave it there without any proof I said anything wrong.

I have never tried to censor anyone and I find that very distressing that you would say that. I have said several times I am sure you know that gun topics would best be discussed in the two gun forums. That is not censoring ANYONE. I may not agree with someones post but I do not want it censored. I would like the posters to follow the rules of the forum as posted.

No projection here and I am glad to be here and hope to be around for a very long time.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

45. Don't like DUers calling out your gundamentalist claptrap, the door is that way. ----------------->

Please see yourself out.

[Duckhunter935]

46. Nope, I like it here

I like the challenge. I do have to admit it is very hard at times to not sink to that level. I respect others opinions, may not agree. I try and hold myself up to a high level and seem to be doing it OK as I have none or at the most very few hidden posts. I do not remember any. I would assume that makes me a civil individual.

Just because I do not agree with some on one topic I guess I an not welcome. Guess I should not have voted democratic my whole adult life. Tried to vote out my very RED congress critters.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

48. That wasn't meant for you. :)

[Duckhunter935]

58. oops

[Duckhunter935]

47. what "gundamentalist claptrap"

please enlighten me?

[Nanjing to Seoul]

49. That was meant for the same person who doesn't know what a gun hugger is.

[Duckhunter935]

59. My brain is just not working tonight I guess

[Packerowner740]

53. I don't have a dog in this fight but

Aren't you the one doing the harassing with the "gun humper" and "precious" comments? I am all for improved background checks, reporting of mental illness, enforcement of all gun laws currently on the books and spending some money on PSAs to educate and cut down on accidents but calling the other side names does nothing but inflame the other parties and cause them to dig in harder.

Also get some sensible gun and ammo storage on the books.

[sweetapogee]

54. the opposite

of a pot humper.

There, i said it.

[LanternWaste]

69. I'm rather certain you think people may even believe your question is sincere.

I'm rather certain you think people may even believe your question is sincere.

[bowens43]

6. good for Colorade. You have to take a stand against the gun nuts

[hack89]

28. If high capacity mags are so dangerous

Why did CO allow Magpul to continue to manufacture them for sale in other states? Looks like tax money was more important than lives in other states.

[reACTIONary]

56. Maybe interstate commerice laws? I'm not an expert...

... so I don't know if that would an impediment, but it might be. Seems reasonable for a state to focus on limiting sales in their own state.

[hack89]

60. Or it is pure hypocrisy

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Political grandstanding at home while ensuring the tax money keeps flowing.

[reACTIONary]

61. I don't think so...

... I wouldn't characterize it as "political grandstanding" in the first place. It's an honest and reasonable attempt to increase public safety for the citizens of the state. And I think it's pretty unlikely tax revenue would be affected any significant way, one way or another. I think their restraint might be explained in a couple of ways. Further restrictions on the company may not have been politically feasible, and I think the state legislature has a proper notion of the proper limits of a state's actions with respect to other states.

[hack89]

62. The law was pure security theater

It does not ban possession of high capacity mags purchased prior to the ban. Additionally, since mags have no date of manufacture stamp, a CO resident can simply buy mags out of state and the cops would never know they were illegal.

So explain to me how it increased public safety - there are just as many high cap mags in CO now as there were before the "ban".

[Lint Head]

8. Running away from change does not stop it.

[Hulk]

9. Those are just two of a handful of states...

...I tend to drive through as quickly as possible. Because Texas is so damned big, it takes two days. Wyoming, on the other hand, happens to have a big piece of Yellowstone on it's property, or it would be a totally worthless piece of real estate.

Good for Wyoming and Texas. Another reason, albeit small, why anyone would want to live in those two God forsaken pieces of land.

[Blue_Tires]

12. Good riddance, then

Magpul's incessant whining the entire year was just a notch or two below Boeing, and that's really saying something...

[onehandle]

13. Embedded gun trolls will exact their tiny zippered outrage. nt

[Crowman1979]

15. I wonder how much money these right-wing leaning companies are gonna waste by moving all the time?

Pretty soon there will be nowhere in the world to run to...hopefully.

[Duckhunter935]

23. probably none

Randy Bruns, CEO of Cheyenne's economic development organization, said it is working with Magpul on a financial package that could include up to $13 million in state grants and loans to help the company move to Cheyenne.

And any losses if they happen will just be written off in taxes

[Crowman1979]

17. What will happen to these companies when Texas changes their gun laws?

Those snarkey a-holes will have no place to go.

[intheflow]

51. They'll always have Wyoming!

[oldandhappy]

18. Heard a documentary yesterday

about the number of jobs being created in Colo in the grow industry. One man said he would be doubling his staff. The state will pick up lots of dollars in taxes on weed.

[Gore1FL]

19. It's cost them plenty to make this meaningless stand. n/t

[NickB79]

68. I'd say it's made them millions in new profits

I'm sure Wyoming and Texas gave them great tax breaks to relocate, and the publicity they've received on their stand has catapulted them to stardom amongst gun owners.

Making good on their threat to move will get them enough business to stay backordered for YEARS.

[Demo_Chris]

21. This has been very expensive for our party. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Fuck Magpul.

These plastic pieces of shit don't fit in my Oly Arms AR-15

[Duckhunter935]

32. I prefer USGI 20 round myself

Magpul sells a lot of magazines though

[AtheistCrusader]

34. In truth, it's probably Olympic Arms fault...

[CC]

25. I wonder what kind of offers

Wyoming and specially Cheyenne made them beyond the supposed 2nd amendment deal bull. I was out that way Fall 2012 and Cheyenne was almost a ghost town with so many businesses shut down. It was depressing for someone that used to love going there when visiting family. Even the SO's favorite boot store was gone. As for TX I know Perry has been criss-crossing the country offering businesses tax, lending and deregulation deals to get them to move to his state. He was trying hard to get Beretta USA to leave MD with business sweet deals and the excuse of stricter gun laws to use to justify the move. Beretta ran the numbers and it couldn't justify the move financially even with all the breaks. From the article logistics came into play and I can see where shipping to and from Cheyenne would be easier than Erie.

[SoapBox]

26. Good bye and good riddance.

Good for you Colorado.

[Iliyah]

29. MJ - billions of dollars for

CO, plus thousand of jobs and money for schools, hospitals, child care. Gun company - profit for self.

[hack89]

30. CO was willing to take Magpul's blood money

By specifically allowing them to continue to manufacture them in CO for sale in other states. I guess only CO lives matter to them.

[TheCowsCameHome]

35. Well, so long.

Don't let the door hit ya........

[ileus]

36. Wonder if I should pick up magpul stuff now

while the QC is good from their CO plant.

[locks]

42. Yeah, about time Magpul pulled out of Colorado!

I'd sure rather live in the state that voted in some reasonable gun control and is the first to legalize marijuana than in one like Wyoming which won't even consider either. In Colorado more people die from guns than in auto accidents. From marijuana, nobody.

[Packerowner740]

52. Too bad for the employees now out of work

Or did some of them move with company?

[littlewolf]

55. I read above that most are going to WY. it seems it is only an hour or so

away from where they are now. so CO loses the tax base.

[olddad56]

57. if anyone lost their jobs in the ammo industry, maybe they can get work in the pot industry..

good fro Colorado, in with the good and out with the bad.

[hollowdweller]

64. Yeah the weed will way more than make up for it.

[donheld]

65. Good Riddance.

[B Calm]

66. Pathetic Death Company moving operations to a more agreeing state!

Adios losers!

[truthisfreedom]

67. They did this as a stunt to draw attention away

from their poorly performing products.

[Viking12]

70. They did it for the $13 million in corporate welfare

offered by the State of Wyoming