Glendale police: 16-year-old girl says man died during sex act

[legcramp]

Source: AZCENTRAL.COM

Glendale (AZ) police have arrested a 16-year-old girl in connection with the strangulation death of a Phoenix man during what she claimed to be a consensual sex act, officials said.

The girl, whose name was not released by police because she is a juvenile, was booked Saturday into a detention facility on suspicion of second-degree murder. She remained there Tuesday.

Police were called to the 6200 block of West Olive Avenue on Saturday at about 5:45 p.m. on report of a injured person in an apartment. What they found instead was a dead 43-year-old man, officials said.

Sgt. Jay O’Neill, a Glendale police spokesman, Jason Ash had several cuts to his body and a cord around his neck.



Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20140121glendale-police-year-old-says-man-died-during-sex-act-abrk.html

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Police first interviewed the teenager’s mother, who said she had been home for a time but left her daughter and her daughter’s friend, Ash, alone at the apartment.

The leader in the clubhouse for the Mother of the Year Award right there.

[Bennyboy]

1. Coming and going at the same time!

Buncha pervs.

[giftedgirl77]

2. I'm sorry, correct me if I'm reading this wrong

but was the 43 yr old man the 16 yr old's "friend" the mother is referring to?

[legcramp]

3. Yep, Mother of the year.

eom

[gvstn]

43. Yes she probably wins the title.

Though this lady gets an "honorable" mention:

The mother of a student who was kicked out of high school after starring in gay porn to help pay his family's bills said she couldn't be prouder.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2543391/Mother-supports-son-18-kicked-high-school-starring-gay-porn-pay-family-bills.html

I'm no prude but her kid having to do porn at 18 to help pay the bills at 18 makes her proud?

[840high]

4. What a mom - piece of merde.

[legcramp]

5. Update: Per ABC 15 in Phoenix. It gets weirder.

No charges have been filed against the mother, said O'Neill, but the investigation is ongoing.

The mother, who did not want to go on camera, told ABC15 Monday evening that her daughter suffers from schizophrenia and autism.

She indicated her daughter was "really confused and does not understand what happened."

Read more: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_west_valley/glendale/pd-glendale-man-killed-during-sex-act-with-teen#ixzz2r5If36GS

[JI7]

7. ok, this is horrible but i wonder if the mother was selling her daughter for sex

[Tumbulu]

10. My thought exactly! nt

[Yo_Mama]

12. She certainly could have sexual desires

It's not uncommon for young women with mental disabilities to be exploited by men. I wouldn't assume the mother was involved.

[JI7]

20. the mother knew he was with her and left them alone together

they also refer to him as the girl's friend . so it's not some friend of the mother or some health care worker or teacher or anything like that .

how would a 16 year old end up being friends with some 43 year old and end up being in the home with the mother knowing.

[Yo_Mama]

22. Ewwwww. How awful.

The girl needs to be in protective custody, for sure.

If she was 16 it's illegal sex by Florida law, I believe. If the man were 24 or younger, there would be the close-in-age exception, but I think with that great an age difference it's statutory rape because the age of consent is 18, isn't it?

Which leads to an interesting question - does a kid have the right to kill in defense of statutory rape, and if not, why not?

[Tumbulu]

28. I just cannot understand why the girl is being charged with anything?

Isn't this statutory rape? Is self defense not allowed?

[TM99]

31. Because there is nothing reported as being rape.

Consensual sex gone wrong could warrant manslaughter charges, though she is a minor.

There are really too many questions with this whole scenario to draw as many conclusions as have been in this thread without more information.

[Tumbulu]

53. Sex with a minor IS rape

Regardless if it is with "consent".

[TM99]

54. Technically, the state of Arizona

does not have any laws on rape. There are various ones that cover 'sexual assault'.

Arizona Revised Statutes, §13-1405 - Sexual conduct with a minor would be the applicable one in this case.

But given the lack of complete details and the fact that the purported 'victim' may have committed the act of murder (it is not clear whether it was in self defense or not), then, yes, this thread with the hyperbolic responses that this man deserved to die do strike me as very inappropriate and over the top.

[happyslug]

36. In most states the age of consent is 16

Thus she is of age to give consent to have sex

[herding cats]

40. The age of consent in AZ is 18.

There's some give if the two are close in age, for example 17 & 18, but that wouldn't apply here.

[happyslug]

50. Must be a West Coast rule, all but Washington States uses 18.

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States with age of Consent at 18: Arizona, Florida, California, Delaware, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin, (total 11 states) Mostly on the West Coast or the Western . Florida, Virginia, Tennessee and Delaware are the exception to the rule this is a Far West tendency.

States with age of Consent at 17: Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York State, Wyoming, and Texas,(total of Nine State), Mostly in the Great Plains (New York State is the big exception).

States with age of Consent at 16: Every other states including the following, Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington State and West Virginia,(Total of 30 States)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

[bitchkitty]

41. Yes, age of consent in FL = 18. n/t

[penultimate]

34. Wow, even more screwed up than it originally sounded.

[Beaverhausen]

6. so far everyone in this thread is OK with the 43 year old man who had sex with the 15 year old?

Only the mother being criticized? Got it!

[FiveGoodMen]

8. "police have arrested a 16-year-old girl"

Do you have to change the story to make the point?

[seattledo]

29. Maybe it happened when she was 15

Unless you die, you keep getting older.

[eggplant]

9. Well, he's dead. What more do you want?

[NutmegYankee]

25. Given the shear enjoyment of some here to beat dead horses...

What's the problem with beating a dead rapist's corpse?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

27. Pieces. Lots of little pieces.

[Tumbulu]

11. Yes, the creep should have been

arrested, but thank goodness he died! My goodness, why was the poor victim of rape arrested?

[msongs]

13. "thank goodness he died". thanks for sharing nt

[quakerboy]

23. He apparently died for his actions

I'm not sure exactly what more justice could be meted out, unless one has a direct line to the afterlife.

[MADem]

26. Well, issue the dead man a strongly worded criticism, now!

Who here is saying they're "OK" with anything of that nature? I don't see any "Right on, dude" posts--am I missing them?

Good grief--it doesn't matter if the guy was a pervert....he's DEAD. He's beyond your scorn or excoriation. He's already gotten his comeuppance, pardon the term.

There's an expression about "beating a dead horse" which, while crude, is illustrative....

[penultimate]

35. Well, he is dead. I don't see anyone shedding any tears over him

[bloom]

14. Not enough information to blame the mother.

Not enough information to blame the mother.

With the girl being 16, schizophrenic and autistic, it seems to me, if anyone is to blame, it would be the man, himself.

If he was her "friend", he would have presumably known what her condition was and should not have been doing whatever the hell he was doing - whether consensual or not.

[legcramp]

15. Normal girls don't have 43 year old "friends" that a mother should be comfortable

leaving them with. And she isn't normal.

Just sayin'.

[bloom]

16. I don't think it is impossible

that a family 'friend' could have been trusted to have a non-sexual relationship with a 16 year old - as one would trust an uncle, etc. He could have been a care-giver for years, for instance.

I really don't think there is enough information to blame the mother. Why not blame the man, himself?

[azurnoir]

17. The fact is that at 16 and with mental disabilities

she really could not have legally consensual sex with anyone, the Mothers role in this is yet to be seen though

[legcramp]

18. What part of "left her daughter and her daughter’s friend"

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Are you struggling with?

I don't know your life experience but we raised three daughters. I can assure you that I would have not been as understanding as you seem to be if one of them had brought home and introduced a 43 year old male "friend".

Call me crazy and judgmental.

[colorado_ufo]

19. I call you sane.

[shedevil69taz]

32. I have a jump to conclusions mat you should try out

We don't have enough information to know what the relationship was between the man, the mother, and the daughter beforehand in this story.

[JI7]

21. the article refers to the man as being the 16 year old's Friend, not a friend of the mother, a

family friend or even a teacher or nurse or anything else like that.

it refers to him as being a friend of the Teen Girl.

[penultimate]

37. We can blame both. It's not an either/or situation. He was a filthy perverted man

who put himself in a situation in which he died an embarrassing death that exposed his depravity. The mother is very likely complicit in the whole thing and is probably a piece of shit too. We could all be wrong though, but that's how it looks so far.

Hopefully this won't screw up the girl's life too much in the end.

[Beacool]

24. I bet the bastard was older than the mother.

The girl has mental issues and he bedded her? Screw him, I don't feel sorry for him.

[Helen Borg]

30. Agreed

...

[IdaBriggs]

33. I have a different theory: The mother did it, and is blaming the daughter.

From the article:

Police first interviewed the teenager’s mother, who said she had been home for a time but left her daughter and her daughter’s friend, Ash, alone at the apartment.

There is no "while she was fill-in-the-blank" which is normal in explaining why someone leaves.

Then --

She later received a call from her daughter indicating that she and Ash were involved in a consensual sex act involving strangulation, and that Ash was dead, according to police. The mother said she returned to the apartment, called 911 and attempted to resuscitate Ash.

So, they are supposedly "doing the deed", something goes wrong, the daughter calls the mom (who presumably JUST finds out a 43-year old is "doing" her daughter in "non-traditional" ways ( ), and the mom "attempted to resuscitate Ash."

Let me be blunt - "attempt to resuscitate" would NOT be the first thing I would be thinking if someone is "doing" my mentally handicapped 16 year old without my knowledge and consent. I find this ... implausible.

Then we have ....

Police said the 16-year-old had fled the apartment before officers arrived; she was taken into custody at neighboring unit.

So, the mom is there with a guy (presumably close to her age) who is dead from (presumably) poorly performed kinky sex, says the teenage daughter did it, and the kid gets blamed.

My theory: the mom did it, and is blaming the handicapped / mentally disabled kid because she probably won't go jail, while the mom is likely to face some kind of charges. The mom may even think she is doing a good thing, because if mom goes to jail, who will take care of her vulnerable, disabled daughter?

Ta Da! There you have it - a plausible, working theory of a crime, solved from the clues in a newspaper with zero evidence other than some common sense.

[happyslug]

38. The problem is deaths like this is more common then you think

I once talked to a Police Officer who had just finished a class on Murder investigations, which included a sub section on strange accidental deaths. The strangest is the one where two prostitutes are having sex while they client stands on a chair naked with a rope around his next strangling himself by stepping off the chair and then back onto the chair. This gives some men an extra high. I am NOT into that type of sex, but it is known, and once in a while the man missteps and ends up hanging himself. The Two prostitutes then try to lift him up to prevent him hanging, but generally are to weak and then they leave.

Just a comment, that such deaths are NOT unheard if, rare but they do occur and this sounds like that type of accident.

[IdaBriggs]

44. I find it likely, with the caveat I think the mom was involved.

I am not going to judge other people's sexual preferences unless he really was "doing" the daughter. Then it is just a whole bunch of ICK for a variety of reasons, with the big one being "grown man taking advantage of a teen."

[happyslug]

49. Most such cases are icky,

And that the daughter was left with a friend named "Amy" and then you had this man dead, just tends to bring to mind that particular icky act.

The Mother may be involved, but also may not be, thus no charges till the police talk to the daughter and "Amy".

[IdaBriggs]

51. I missed the "Amy" bit - yup, I am now voting

ICK. What a mess!

[happyslug]

52. I now read the Friend's name as "Ash" and that was the Victim.

Thus I may be mistaken, that the friend the girl was left with was the 43 year old not another young woman, but it does NOT leave out the possibility this was an accidental death.

More Articles, but no new details:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teen-partner-43-died-consensual-sex-act-article-1.1587371

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_west_valley/glendale/pd-glendale-man-killed-during-sex-act-with-teen

http://www.wncn.com/story/24505776/teen-girl-arrested-in-homicide-of-glendale-man

[penultimate]

39. That same thought crossed my mind too.

I don't think it's very tinfoil-ish to think that might be possible. Anyone who has ever watched Law & Order knows that is how it usually turns out on TV.

[IdaBriggs]

45. I am a total Law & Order fan.

I think this script practically writes itself!

Dun dun DUN! "In the criminal justice system..."

[bitchkitty]

42. Ha - I just thought "hey, maybe the mom did it"

scrolled down, and saw this post.

I wonder the same thing - the mother could have done it and is now blaming the mentally disabled child.

I see a possible episode of Snapped...

[IdaBriggs]

46. Great minds, bitchkitty. Great minds.

[snooper2]

47. Parents can do really fucked up shit...Sounds like a Steve Wilkos Show to me..

Example #1

[chrisa]

48. So, a rapist is now dead, and died during the rape?

(silence) *cough* (silence)