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Redfairen

(1,276 posts)
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:28 PM Jan 2014

Pentagon to relax rules on personal religious wear — including beards, turbans

Source: NBC News

The Pentagon on Wednesday is expected to announce widespread changes to rules governing religious items and religion-based physical attributes that service members can maintain while in uniform — including beards, some religious tattoos, and turbans.

NBC News obtained an early draft of the new Department of Defense instruction which states that the military will make every effort to accommodate “individual expressions of sincerely held beliefs” (conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs) of service members.

It goes on to say that unless doing so could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, good order and discipline, health and safety, or any other military requirement, commanders can grant service members special permission to display their religious articles while in uniform.

Requests for religious accommodation can be denied when the “needs of mission accomplishment outweigh the needs of the service member,” the directive will explain.


Read more: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/22/22376938-pentagon-to-relax-rules-on-personal-religious-wear-including-beards-turbans?lite

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Pentagon to relax rules on personal religious wear — including beards, turbans (Original Post) Redfairen Jan 2014 OP
It's about time R Merm Jan 2014 #1
Oh f@ck that! hoosierlib Jan 2014 #2
The Military is getting that hard up for recruits??? happyslug Jan 2014 #3
I disagree completely - the Sikhs played a big role in this step towards rationality. bananas Jan 2014 #6
The Military had a rule for Sikhs happyslug Jan 2014 #7
This is a great step forward for religious freedom! bananas Jan 2014 #4
I am willing to wager this is aimed partly at Sikhs... Adam-Bomb Jan 2014 #5
I believe the Sikhs are part of the reason. happyslug Jan 2014 #8
Colanders? 1000words Jan 2014 #9
Can Rastafarian troops keep their dreads, and smoke ganga in the barracks? Ken Burch Jan 2014 #10
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #11
"Even Wiccan service members, those who practice "Magick," can seek accommodation" Baclava Jan 2014 #12
 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
2. Oh f@ck that!
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jan 2014

Just what we need, more open religious expression , especially by evangelicals in the military. It's bad enough having to go first to chaplains for any personal "issues", especially when you are agnostic. Now this...

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
3. The Military is getting that hard up for recruits???
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jan 2014

During the Iraqi War, one of the problems the Army faced was getting enough enlistments. The Military thus consistently reduced the minimal requirements for enlistments, while technically saying they were not. This was achieved two ways, first was increase number of "waivers" to get people in, while maintaining on the surface the old requirements (i.e. No Criminal record, became one of the Criminal record was only for "Minor Charges" and thus waived for that recruit).

The second method was to increase the percentage of people who could enlist. For example the Military had a quota for how many people who failed to graduate high school could enlist. The Military increase the number of such people who could enlist

Thus the overall quality of US troops declined during the Iraqi War. Training was maintained, the elite units were able to get the people they wanted, but the rest of the Military declined (This decline in enlistment was so bad, the Air Force actually had to advertise for the first time in decades).

Side note: The other services, except for the Air Force and the Coast Guard, advertisement has been constant since the 1970s when the draft ended. The Air Force basically relied on people seeing the recruitment ads of the other services, would also think of the Air Force as an option and that was enough for the Air Force to get all the Recruits it needed till the Iraqi war. A similar situation occurred for the Coast Guard, but they did NOT advertise, to my knowledge, during the Iraqi War or even today.

Back to permission to have beards, tattoos etc. The Military wants to be monolithic, i.e. everyone appear the same as much as possible. Thus variation of what is considered "normal" for the military is generally considered bad. In fact variation from "Norma" is taught as something to look for when one is concerned about spies or other infiltrators (This has a long tradition, for example in the days of Washer Women in the Army, such Washer Women wore a variation of the uniform of the Regiment they were assigned, it had a skirt instead of a pair of pants but it was of the same material and colors).

Thus the military has a policy of maintaining uniformity at almost any cost. Thus this new policy, which undermines that concept of uniformity, is being adopted. The question is why? I do not buy the argument that the military wants to be more "Diverse" such diversity is foreign to the military. That leaves the need to get people to enlist.

With the war in Iraq over, and the War in Afghanistan ending, the Military has strengthened its rules on who can enlist. The people who did NOT graduate high School and the people who have criminal records are NOT preferred recruits. On the other hand people who do NOT have a criminal record and finished high schools are preferred recruits. Thus the recent change in military rules permitting homosexuals into the Military. That had less to do with wanting diversity, then to increasing the poll of high school grads without criminal records the military could recruit. The same with this change in rules, the military want more high school grads without criminal records and if that means accepting people who the military would not accept before, that is preferred to NOT getting the recruits the military needs.

The only other way to solve the problems of the drop in quality in recruits is to reinstate the draft and that is a dead and the quickest way to force the military to find itself cut (Something the Military does NOT want).

Just a comment that this policy is to solve the problem of the drop in quality of recruits the Military has faced since 2002. The Iraqi and Afghanistan wars have NEVER been popular and that has driven many young people from even thinking of enlisting. That drop in the draft pool has hit the Army especially hard, but it has also affected the other services, thus the recent changes in who can enlist, more to expand the pool of potential recruits then any real change within the Military to such people.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
6. I disagree completely - the Sikhs played a big role in this step towards rationality.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:35 PM
Jan 2014

The BBC article notes:

Previously, at least three Sikhs had won specific accommodation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25853546


I think the Sikhs convinced the military that the old policy was irrational.

Which it was.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
7. The Military had a rule for Sikhs
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:54 PM
Jan 2014

And the rule was, if they enlisted they had to shave, if they were drafted, they did not have to shave.

Thus, until this order, Sikhs could NOT enlist unless they agree to shave. Thus Sikhs are part of the pool of recruits the Military has traditionally said they did not want, for Sikhs and their beards did not confirm to what the US Military viewed as normal for military personnel.

The Western norm for Military hair was set by Scipio Africanus around 200 BC. Scipio Africanus then lead that Army into the Battle of Zama and defeated Hannibal. Scipio Africanus had been part of the Army defeated at Cannae by Hannibal and from that defeat Scipio Africanus ordered all of his soldiers under his command to be clean shaved and have short hair.

Prior Roman Armies reflected Roman tradition of long beards and long hair. Scipio Africanus changes in army hair would become the new Roman norm till about 150 AD, then resume as the Roman Norm with Constantine around 300 AD (along with the norm of no tatoos, early Christians viewed Tatoos as an attack on God's perfect work, the Human Body and thus banned by the early Christians). Clean Shaved and short hair has been the tendency in the Western World when it comes to the Military ever since. Clean Shaved and Short hair goes in and out of fashion, but overall the Western Norm (The last big movement to Shirt Hair and Clean Shaved face was with the French Revolution, which also included the shift from leggings to pants for men). The US Civil War was a big time for beards and short hair, but that died out by the 1880s. Long hair and Beards were part of the "Revolt" of the 1960s, but did not last even to the late 1970s (and then did not affect most men, most men remained clean shaved and short hair, but longer then the military cuts of the 1950s).

The Sikhs are NOT of that Western Tradition of Clean Shaved Face and short hair. The Sikhs have their own military tradition which includes their beards. Thus NOT viewed as possible recruits even in the 1970s when the US Army was much larger then it is now. The US Army in the 1970s instead went to recruit women, because the Army could.

The Air Force, Navy and Marines were forbidden by law to recruit more then a few percentages of their total recruits from the female population. No such legal restriction applied to the US Army. The difference in law had to do with the National Guard and African American Soldiers in 1947. The US Army still had a segregated Army in 1947 and Congress, to avoid having to address the issue of integration, gave the US Army the right to determine for itself who it could recruit, while putting restrictions on who the Navy, Marines and Air Force could recruit. Thus how many women and African Americans the Army could recruit was left up to the US Army itself. In the 1970s the US Army used this rule to permit itself to be 10% female, way more then the 2-3 % of the other services, a limit set by Congress in 1947.

The problem is, while women and African Americas solved the problem of finding better quality recruits in the 1970s, today those options have been fully exploited. African Americans remain a source of recruits to this day, but the number of African Americans who enlist today is DOWN from the 1975-2000 period. This drop in African American enlistments is the number one reason for the drop in over all quality of US Troops. African Americans did not enlist after 2002 and other recruits had to be found, that was done by reducing the quality of the recruits by increasing the number of non high school graduates and increasing the number of recruits with minor criminal records.

Side note: When I was in the National Guard in the 1980s, in National Guard Units the white enlisted, NCOs and Officers tended to be better then the African Americans, mostly because the whites had been member 10-20 years and the African Americans just six years of less. On the other hand, when I had to deal with regular Army personnel, the opposite rule came into play. i.e. the African American Officers and NCOs (who I interacted with, they were assigned to evaluate my National Guard unit) where heads and shoulders above the white offices and NCOs. That was my impression of them and I mention it for the drop in African American enlistments after 2002 is the primary reason for the decline in quality of the enlisted ranks since 2002 and the Military is looking for a replacement for even with the end of the War in Iraq, African Americans are NOT enlisting anywhere near the numbers they did in the 1975-2002 period.


The various tricks used to get recruits have run out and the Military is looking to expand the pool of recruits, given that African Americans seem NOT to want to enlist as much as they did in the 1975-2002 period. Thus Homosexuals can now be recruited, women are being looked at for actual combat roles and these changes to increase the pool of people who might enlist.

In simple terms, the Sikhs help prove my point, they are of the pool of potential recruits the Military traditionally did not accept, but are now willing to accept for the military needs to improve the pool of recruits. The Military is getting enough recruits (which include foreign nationals, mostly from Central America) but the quality is not what it was in the 1990s. In the 1990s the US Army saw it lose 1/3 of its total strength and that permitted the Army to improve its enlisted ranks, but that improvement was short lived after 9/11. You had a sudden round of enlistments to fight in Afghanistan, but once Iraq was invaded the number of people willing to enlist took a nose dive. Do to that drop in the number of recruits quality went down (any recruit is better then no recruit).

Now, with the Military looking to cut back, it can improve the quality of the people it enlists, but are having a hard time getting all of the better recruits it needs. Thus groups the Military previously rejected are now being looked at. Thus this change as while as the changes as to recruiting Homosexuals and increasing the slots open to women. All have to do with improving the quality of the enlisted personnel to what it had been in the 1990s.

Adam-Bomb

(90 posts)
5. I am willing to wager this is aimed partly at Sikhs...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jan 2014

They in particular have been long petitioning the Army to allow them to serve
while wearing their mandatory beards and turbans.

On the one hand, the US military has always been a bulwark of uniformity,
i.e., "You joined us, we didn't join YOU" and everybody looking, well, "uniform."

On the other hand, Sikhs REALLY want to join the service, but in accordance with
their religious beliefs which require males to be bearded and wear their turbans.
There are a few in service, I believe they are all in the Medical field (officers) and
they wear very short beards and camouflage turbans....there are photos of these
guys out there on the Internet. Many more would join they were able to.

Sikhs are traditionally very good soldiers, not quite Gurkha's, but no slouches, either.
I am told that they grease their beards to be able to correctly seal their NBC masks
and have no problems wearing Kevlars (over their turbans, of course).

I am of two minds of about this. Part of me says if you join up you conform to the
Military's standards (this is a volunteer service, nobody's twisting your arm to join)
while the other part of me, the ex-Infantryman part, says if these guys from a
warrior culture want to volunteer to fight our enemies while wearing a beard and a turban,
"Hey, gear up and the Front is THAT way...."

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
8. I believe the Sikhs are part of the reason.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 11:56 PM
Jan 2014

But it is to increase the overall pool of potential recruits, see my posts #3 and #7 above for more details.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
10. Can Rastafarian troops keep their dreads, and smoke ganga in the barracks?
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 01:37 AM
Jan 2014

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
12. "Even Wiccan service members, those who practice "Magick," can seek accommodation"
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jan 2014

so what uniform items do Wiccans require?

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