US suspect possibly targeted for drone attack.
Source: Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) -- An American citizen who is a member of al-Qaida is actively planning attacks against Americans overseas, U.S. officials say, and the Obama administration is wrestling with whether to kill him with a drone strike and how to do so legally under its new stricter targeting policy issued last year.
The CIA drones watching him cannot strike because he's a U.S. citizen and the Justice Department must build a case against him, a task it hasn't completed.
Four U.S. officials said the American suspected terrorist is in a country that refuses U.S. military action on its soil and that has proved unable to go after him. And President Barack Obama's new policy says American suspected terrorists overseas can only be killed by the military, not the CIA, creating a policy conundrum for the White House.
Two of the officials described the man as an al-Qaida facilitator who has been directly responsible for deadly attacks against U.S. citizens overseas and who continues to plan attacks against them that would use improvised explosive devices.
Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AMERICAN_TERROR_SUSPECT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-02-10-04-15-36
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Now they're going to whine about how they can't do their job because of all these new rules.
Boo hoo!
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)I say program the drone to say "Surrender in zee name of zee law" in Inspector Clouseau voice and that should be enough warning before launching a missile.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)UK borrowed US drones to carry out unreported strikes in Afghanistan
The UK has used American drones over 250 times to carry out previously unreported attacks in Afghanistan, the MoD has admitted. The reports prompted a sharp reaction from British rights groups who slammed the lack of transparency in the UK military
http://rt.com/news/uk-us-drones-strikes-320/
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:37 AM - Edit history (1)
We must not fall for this crap again. They are just playing to our fears an insecurities.
The United States is able to count the buttons on the shirts of everyone on the planet. Perhaps we need to watch the individual in question, but, if no legal case can even be made, murder by flying robot is out of the question. It would be a crime, American citizen or not, and if it is done, those responsible should be tried for their crime.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)USA USA USA
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Never, my friend, is a very, very long time.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)on the Rule of Law and Freedom
I remember the old saying--- Voting Counts !! (But who to vote For ? When the so called progressives are the ones on their knees groveling for the 1%)
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Voting defensively means voting against Republicans, and for Democrats (unless, perhaps, you're a multimillionaire). Democrats may not be perfect, but they are not on the same level of slavishness to the Koch brothers and their ilk.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)I wonder if they are taking volunteers to go serve the warrant or subpena for this supporter of murder and mayhem? Rather than risk harming this suspect and his running buddies, I'm sure the authorities would accept the services of someone willing to go apprehend him and bring him to justice.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Why would someone get hurt just because they are being served a subpoena? Did you mean the individual serving the subpoena might be hurt by the drone jockey who carried out an assassination?
marble falls
(57,080 posts)ruled out, has it?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)where both US and local civilian law enforcement are unable to reach him, then he himself has effectively ruled out those means of preventing further attacks.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)After reading the article, it appears that this person is in a fairly secure location, very difficult to reach. So, apparently, we will no longer have to run the risk of sending in ground troops, or negotiating with foreign Nations to acquire one of our own home grown "terrorists".
So, basically, what's being proposed is that we simply use a drone to kill him - eliminating the threat of any future terrorist actions, and/or claiming vengeance/justice for his crimes against US citizens. The problem is that this pretty much nullifies the Constitution. Apparently, we are no longer required to offer a fair trial when an American citizen is in another Country. Apparently, it is no longer necessary to prove guilt. There is a reason that we are innocent until proven guilty - it is to prevent things like this from happening, to prevent executive and military powers from being abused.
Of course, it could be argued that this is simple practicality. Better to eliminate the threat without risking lives, potentially disastrous political situations and international outrage. A fair point, perhaps, if you ignore the fact that this is a human life we're talking about, if you ignore the fact that this is a US citizen who is entitled to certain rights and protections.
I'm fairly curious though, as to why we're even being told about it, as to why they haven't simply eliminated the man through some covert operation already. Perhaps the media was able to learn of what was going on before that step was taken. Perhaps this is an attempt to justify the drone program to Americans here at home.
There are a lot of questions to be asked here. Is the "potential" for danger, or the "possible" threat of terrorist action enough to ignore one's right to a fair trial - even if they are a US citizen? If so, could it not then be argued that anyone at all could be eliminated because they might represent a threat to the safety of others? Think of the wide variety of ways this could be abused - probably is already being abused and almost certainly will be abused in the future.
I realize that this is a difficult case, that lives could be lost in attempting to capture this man for a fair trial. Yet it is still our responsibility, our obligation as Americans and as human beings to make that attempt. Whatever this man is guilty of, or may be guilty of, should have to be proven in a court of law before his execution can be simply carried out. Otherwise... we should be very concerned for our future and what might happen when this sort of power might very well belong to the likes of Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee, Paul Ryan... the list goes on.
If we permit this to go about without arguing, without demanding accountability and the rule of law... then we permit our own freedom, our own rights to be sacrificed upon the altar of practicality. We cannot abide by the law only when it is convenient... when it is "safer" to do so. The law must apply to everyone, or it is not law at all.
wingzeroday
(189 posts)But I wonder if it is Adam "Azzam" Gadahn
Enrique
(27,461 posts)who are certain this person is guilty and that we should just kill him.
They don't know his name, nor any bit of evidence, all they know is that some anonymous government officials want to go after him and that's good enough for them.
Myself I don't necessarily believe this story is about a real person.
wingzeroday
(189 posts)I wonder if Obama is going to go after the people who leaked this.