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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 03:23 PM Feb 2014

18 Congressmen Ask Obama to Reschedule Marijuana

Source: US News

Eighteen members of Congress are asking President Barack Obama, who recently said smoking pot is safer than drinking alcohol, to end marijuana's classification as one of the nation's most dangerous narcotics.

Marijuana is currently a “Schedule I” drug, meaning the federal government considers it to have high potential for abuse and no accepted medical value.

Obama’s favorable comparison of marijuana to alcohol in a January New Yorker interview, in which he also reiterated his pot use as a youth, thrilled pro-marijuana activists. But his reluctance to promptly order his attorney general, Eric Holder, to reschedule pot accordingly is a frustration to the same policy reformers.

“You said that you don’t believe marijuana is any more dangerous than alcohol, a fully legalized substance, and believe it to be less dangerous ‘in terms of its impact on the individual consumer,’” the members of Congress wrote to Obama on Wednesday. “This is true. Marijuana, however, remains listed in the federal Controlled Substances Act at Schedule I, the strictest classification, along with heroin and LSD. This is a higher listing than cocaine and methamphetamine, Schedule II substances that you gave as examples of harder drugs. This makes no sense.”



Read more: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/12/18-congressmen-ask-obama-to-reschedule-marijuana

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18 Congressmen Ask Obama to Reschedule Marijuana (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 OP
YES!!!! bleedinglib Feb 2014 #1
Mr Prez got the ball rolling in DC... tridim Feb 2014 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #15
It works better on some types of pain than others. For nerve pain like neuropathy and fibromyalgia, Dustlawyer Feb 2014 #6
Change the law, cowards. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #2
:D :D :D tridim Feb 2014 #3
The Eighteen RainDog Feb 2014 #5
About time lsewpershad Feb 2014 #7
Unfortunately that will Never Happen warrant46 Feb 2014 #8
The private prison industry won't permit it. nt NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #9
Amen to that ! YOHABLO Feb 2014 #11
That's defeatest & we need to force the issue! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #13
Colorado and Washington have already done so. The first dominoes - looks like VT and OR are next kysrsoze Feb 2014 #26
"any more dangerous than alcohol" Oh please that's such BS. MJ is not harmful .. period. YOHABLO Feb 2014 #10
k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #12
And the dam starts to break. CFLDem Feb 2014 #14
What effect will rescheduling it have? That's is the important question. Also, 3% of congresspeople okaawhatever Feb 2014 #16
Rescheduling would open to door to more scientific research, but... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #17
If they descheduled it I wonder what oversight would exist for quality, etc. Also how it would be okaawhatever Feb 2014 #18
There are quality controls on commercial alcohol production. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #20
I agree with your assessment. The one thing I think that would need to be addressed is oversight. okaawhatever Feb 2014 #21
Polis introduced legislation last year RainDog Feb 2014 #28
thanks for the info. I wasn't aware bills had been introduced. nt okaawhatever Feb 2014 #31
It opens the door to research Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #22
Okay, thanks for that. So basically, because it's a Schedule 1 it's like experimenting with okaawhatever Feb 2014 #24
He wont do it, because $$$ DiverDave Feb 2014 #19
I just came out of surgery last month - and this was all that helped. Ruby the Liberal Feb 2014 #23
" . . . considers it to have high potential for abuse and no accepted medical value" Strelnikov_ Feb 2014 #25
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #27
What rescheduling would accomplish RainDog Feb 2014 #29
I love it! There is no other reason other than money not to reschedule it. liberal_at_heart Feb 2014 #30

bleedinglib

(212 posts)
1. YES!!!!
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 03:45 PM
Feb 2014

Come on Mr Prez, Get with the program!!!
I have been taking pain pills for years & I would love too try it?
In my state of Missouri the penalty is 100 years to life.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
4. Mr Prez got the ball rolling in DC...
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:20 PM
Feb 2014

Everything that is happening now with legalization is because he made it clear that he is "with the program".

Response to tridim (Reply #4)

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. It works better on some types of pain than others. For nerve pain like neuropathy and fibromyalgia,
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 05:37 PM
Feb 2014

it works very well. I have small fiber sensory neuropathy and have a neural stimulator implanted in my body, as well as taking several medications for pain, including a schedule 1 drug that is not pot. While in California a few years ago a man on the street gave me a joint to try just because I let him bum a couple of cigarettes. Back at the hotel I had my 1st PAIN FREE moments since I contracted my disease! I hope you will have the opportunity in the future to try it and see. I also hope we both will be able to take advantage of this medication legally soon. They have even started talking about it in Texas! Its so cold here because Hell is in the process of freezing over!

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
5. The Eighteen
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 04:38 PM
Feb 2014

The members to sign on to the new letter are:

Democrats

Blumenauer, (D-OR)
Cohen (D-TN)
Sam Farr (Calif.)
Raúl Grijalva (Ariz.)
Mike Honda (Calif.)
Jared Huffman (Calif.)
Barbara Lee (Calif.)
Zoe Lofgren (Calif.)
Alan Lowenthal (Calif.)
James McGovern (Mass.)
Jim Moran (Va.)
Beto O’Rourke (Texas)
Jared Polis (Colo.)
Mike Quigley (Ill.)
Jan Schakowsky (Ill.)
Eric Swalwell (Calif.)
Peter Welch (Vt.)

...and one Republican - Rohrabacher (R-CA)

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
8. Unfortunately that will Never Happen
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:23 PM
Feb 2014

The spine having been removed by the CCA= Corrections Corporation of Amerika




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wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
13. That's defeatest & we need to force the issue!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:20 AM
Feb 2014

It's supposed to be of the people, for the people, & by the people. Not of, for & by the corporations.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
16. What effect will rescheduling it have? That's is the important question. Also, 3% of congresspeople
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:36 AM
Feb 2014

doesn't a majority make. Not even close. If the issue is so important why don't we wait until, I don't know at least 200 sign it.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. Rescheduling would open to door to more scientific research, but...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:39 PM
Feb 2014

...then marijuana would be treated like some sort of prescription drug.

I think the thing to do, and the congressmen also suggested this, is to deschedule it. Treat it like an herb. Or like alcohol, which is not considered a controlled substance.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
18. If they descheduled it I wonder what oversight would exist for quality, etc. Also how it would be
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:42 PM
Feb 2014

treated for research and medical use. I don't really see a benefit to rescheduling or descheduling it. Decriminalizing it would be better and then allow it to be used medically and have a good base of data before rescheduling it.

My concern is that any move to reschedule or deschedule it is really just a move from libertarian types that wouldn't allow any government oversight into production or purity down the road.

thanks for the info.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. There are quality controls on commercial alcohol production.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 01:35 PM
Feb 2014

I can see something similar with marijuana as a de-scheduled product.

Marijuana commerce would be treated like any other commerce, with appropriate regulations and quality control.

But there also needs to be an informal, non-commercial sector for people who grow their own and sell or share small amounts, like with home brewed beer.

I'm increasingly of the mind that the tomato model of legalization is most appropriate. Treat it like tomatoes. You can grow and consume your own, you can give your excess away, but if you want to be in the market, you're subject to regulation.

No limits on personal possession. (It's bizarre--somebody has a basement full of wine and he's a connoisseur; somebody has a basement full of weed and he's a felon.) No limits on number of plants grown. (Under full legalization, who has any incentive to grow large numbers of plants other than commercial producers?)

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
21. I agree with your assessment. The one thing I think that would need to be addressed is oversight.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 01:44 PM
Feb 2014

Currently alcohol is under alcohol, tobacco and firearms. And now tobacco is under Food and Drug Administration. I guess it will boil down to which regulatory agency gets the oversight and how best to make things happen.
Thanks for your insight.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
28. Polis introduced legislation last year
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:23 AM
Feb 2014

to move marijuana from the oversight of the DEA to the ATF (and marijuana).

And, at the same time, Blumenauer intro'd leg. to tax marijuana at the federal level.

http://polis.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=318723

Washington, Feb 5, 2013

Congressman Jared Polis (D-CO) and Congressman Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) today introduced two pieces of legislation to de-federalize marijuana policy and create a framework for the federal taxation of cannabis. Polis’ Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act would remove the Drug Enforcement Agency’s authority over marijuana and allow states to choose whether to allow marijuana for medicinal or recreational use. Blumenauer’s Marijuana Tax Equity Act would create a federal excise tax on marijuana. Together, these bills would provide a system of regulation and taxation for marijuana in states where it is legal.

“This legislation doesn't force any state to legalize marijuana, but Colorado and the 18 other jurisdictions that have chosen to allow marijuana for medical or recreational use deserve the certainty of knowing that federal agents won’t raid state-legal businesses,” said Polis. “Congress should simply allow states to regulate marijuana as they see fit and stop wasting federal tax dollars on the failed drug war.”

The Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act follows Colorado’s model of regulating marijuana like alcohol by:

Removing marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act;
Transferring the Drug Enforcement Administration’s authority to regulate marijuana to a newly renamed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms, which will be tasked with regulating marijuana as it currently does alcohol;
Requiring marijuana producers to purchase a permit, as commercial alcohol producers do, of which the proceeds would offset the cost of federal oversight; and,
Ensuring federal law distinguishes between individuals who grow marijuana for personal use and those involved in commercial sale and distribution.
States could choose to continue to prohibit marijuana production or use in their states and it would remain illegal to transport marijuana to a state where it is prohibited.

The Marijuana Tax Equity Act would create the following framework:

This bill imposes a 50 percent excise tax on the first sale of marijuana, from the producer to the next stage of production, usually the processor;
Similar to the rules within the alcohol and tobacco tax provisions, an occupational tax will be imposed on those operating in marijuana, with producers, importers and manufacturers facing an occupation tax of $1,000/a year and any other person engaged in the business facing an annual tax of $500/a year;
Civil penalties will be imposed for failure to comply with taxing duties. Criminal penalties will be assessed for intentional efforts to defraud the taxing authorities; and,
The bill also requires the IRS to produce a study of the industry after two years, and every five years after that, and to issue recommendations to Congress to continue improving the administration of the tax.


This is a link to a dicussion of these - http://polis.house.gov/uploadedfiles/the_path_forward.pdf

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
22. It opens the door to research
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:17 PM
Feb 2014

While it is still schedule 1 - they have to go through unbelievable hoops to get approval.

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
24. Okay, thanks for that. So basically, because it's a Schedule 1 it's like experimenting with
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:28 PM
Feb 2014

percocet. I get it now. We need to get more Congresspeople on this.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
23. I just came out of surgery last month - and this was all that helped.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:21 PM
Feb 2014

They gave me Oxy, which made me stupid (and according to my family, I turned into a total bitch/witch while taking it).

The cannabis was the only thing that eased the pain and allowed me to relax enough to truly heal, and yes, my surgeon and oncologist both know that (and looked the other way).

Do the right thing, Mr President. This can help so many people...

K&R for the congress critters who get it.

Strelnikov_

(7,772 posts)
25. " . . . considers it to have high potential for abuse and no accepted medical value"
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:42 PM
Feb 2014

Using this definition, alcohol should be a 'Schedule I' drug.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
29. What rescheduling would accomplish
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:25 AM
Feb 2014

In response to the recent New Yorker magazine article in which Obama placed marijuana in the same category of substances as alcohol and cigarettes, and Mark Kleiman's statement that rescheduling would have little to no effect, the author notes it was incorrect to claim rescheduling marijuana is only possible through an act of Congress, and notes there are significant benefits to placing marijuana as a Schedule III - V substance.

As Kleiman points out, removing marijuana from Schedule I would not automatically make it legal for medical use, since any cannabis product still would have to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). “For a doctor to prescribe it,” notes Aaron Houston, a Marijuana Majority board member and WeedMaps lobbyist, “there would have to be an FDA-approved formulation of it.”

Since marijuana itself cannot be patented, a pharmaceutical company would not have much incentive to go through the arduous, time-consuming, and expensive process required to gain FDA approval. Furthermore, drug regulators tend to look askance at herbal medicine, preferring isolated chemicals. “They’re never going to approve a whole-plant organic product,” says Dan Riffle, director of federal policies at the Marijuana Policy Project.

But Riffle adds that rescheduling marijuana would make it easier to conduct research on the plant’s medical utility, which could lead to cannabis-derived medications that would pass muster with the FDA. “The biggest obstacle, at least historically, to doing research on marijuana to prove its medical benefit is that it’s in Schedule I,” Riffle says. “So you had that Catch-22, where marijuana is a Schedule I drug because there’s no evidence, and there’s no evidence because marijuana is a Schedule I drug.”


Beyond the ability to do research is the ability to even consider the research because of "burdensome registration requirements and regulations" for Schedule I substances that do not exist for research into Schedule III or lower substances.

There are other research obstacles, unique to marijuana. In 1998, responding to the legalization of medical marijuana in California, the Clinton administration imposed an additional layer of review on research involving cannabis, requiring approval by the Public Health Service as well as the FDA, the DEA, and the relevant institutional review board. And even after they get all the other necessary approvals, researchers have to obtain marijuana from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), which has a monopoly on the legal supply—something that is not true of other Schedule I drugs. NIDA, an agency whose mission focuses on marijuana’s hazards, has not been keen to assist research aimed at measuring its benefits. Although neither of these requirements is a necessary consequence of marijuana’s Schedule I status, they would be harder to defend if marijuana were reclassified, which would mean acknowledging that it has medical value and can be used safely.


In addition, Section 280E of the Internal Revenue Code prohibits the deduction of business expenses related to “trafficking in controlled substances,” only for Schedule I or II substances.

Removing marijuana as a Schedule I substance would make it possible for the Drug Czar's Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) to be more honest, since they are required by law to oppose the legalization of any Schedule I substance. As Blumenauer recently noted, this inability to speak honestly about marijuana undermines any statement such organizations make when they cannot admit marijuana is less harmful than meth, while every mother and her child know this is reality.

Currently, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is barred from using any of its funds to promote the legalization of Schedule I substances, but this ban does not exist for substances below Schedule I.

Rescheduling would be a powerful message that science and evidence are more important than the tangle of laws that have resisted this same science and evidence.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2014/02/07/more-than-zero-reclassifying-marijuana-would-have-a-significant-impact-on-drug-policy/2/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024460047
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