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brooklynite

(94,517 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:10 PM Feb 2014

Clinton Breaks 50% against GOP Rivals for 2016

Source: McClatchy-Marist Poll

For Immediate Release: Wednesday, February 12, 2014

This McClatchy-Marist Poll Reports:

If Hillary Clinton were to run for president in 2016 and win her party’s nomination, a majority of registered voters nationally would support Clinton, regardless of her Republican opponent. Her closest competitor is Paul Ryan who Clinton leads by single digits. Clinton has a similar lead when up against former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

“Voters are still a long way from making choices,” says Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, Director of The Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. “But, right now, Clinton is in a league of her own.”

Among registered voters nationally, here is how Hillary Clinton fares against potential Republican candidates:
• Clinton -- 52% -- leads Paul Ryan -- 44% -- by 8 percentage points. Four percent are undecided. When McClatchy-Marist last reported this question in December, Clinton received 56% to 40% for Ryan. Four percent, at that time, were undecided.
• Clinton -- 53% -- is also ahead of Romney -- 44% -- by single digits. Three percent are undecided.
• Against Mike Huckabee, Clinton opens up a double-digit lead. Here, 55% of voters are for Clinton compared with 41% for Huckabee. Four percent are undecided.
• Clinton -- 56% -- has a seventeen percentage point advantage over Ted Cruz --
39%. Five percent are undecided. In December, Clinton received 57% to 35% for Cruz. Seven percent, at that time, were undecided.
• Clinton also outpaces Jeb Bush by 20 percentage points. 58% of voters nationally support Clinton compared with 38% for Bush. Four percent are undecided. In December, Clinton had 53% while Bush received 41%. Six percent, then, were undecided.
• When matched against Rand Paul, Clinton leads by 20 percentage points. A majority -- 58% -- supports Clinton compared with 38% for Paul. Four percent are undecided. In that previous McClatchy-Marist survey, 55% backed Clinton while 40% were for Paul. Five percent were undecided.
• Against Chris Christie, Clinton -- 58% -- outdistances Christie -- 37% -- by 21 percentage points. Six percent are undecided. When this question was reported in January, 50% of voters were for Clinton while 37% were for Christie. 12% were undecided.
• Nearly six in ten voters -- 58% -- support Clinton compared with 37% for Marco Rubio. Four percent are undecided. In December, 52% backed Clinton while 42% supported Rubio. Five percent were undecided.
• Against Sarah Palin, Clinton receives 62% to 35% for Palin. Three percent are undecided. Two months ago, 59% were behind Clinton compared with 36% for Palin. Four percent were undecided.

A majority of registered voters -- 52% -- has a favorable view of Clinton. 43% have an unfavorable impression of her, and 5% have either never heard of her or are unsure how to rate her. In January, 51% of voters thought well of Clinton. 39% had a lesser view of her, and 10% had either never heard of her or were unsure how to rate her.

Half of Americans, including a slim majority of voters, give Clinton high marks for her tenure as Secretary of State. 50% of adults approve of the job she did. This includes 18% who think she did an excellent job and 32% who believe she did a good one. 28% rate her performance as fair while 19% give her poor marks. Three percent are unsure. Among registered voters, 51% of voters think highly of the job Clinton did as Secretary of State. 26% report she did an average job while 20% say she fell short. Three percent of voters are unsure.



Read more: http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/misc/usapolls/us140203/2016/Complete%20February%2012,%202014%20USA%20McClatchy_Marist%20Poll%20Release%20and%20Tables.pdf
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Clinton Breaks 50% against GOP Rivals for 2016 (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2014 OP
Naahhhh, she shouldn't consider running. Beacool Feb 2014 #1
HRC is associated w/"The Family," the shadowy RW religious Cult that operates the Prayer Breakfasts blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #21
No, she isn't. Beacool Feb 2014 #34
Not so fast... Whisp Feb 2014 #66
As I said, she attended prayer meetings, but she is NOT a member of The Family. Beacool Feb 2014 #67
On this one, I tend to believe Mother Jones rather than your explanation. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #68
Whatever Whisp. Beacool Feb 2014 #69
Your lunch date is waiting Whisp Feb 2014 #70
My pig is far cuter than yours. Beacool Feb 2014 #71
Go Hillary!! cosmicone Feb 2014 #2
No Hillary! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #19
I really think it's too early for these polls to mean much.... groundloop Feb 2014 #3
that kind of lead this far out is unheard of....Of course she should run! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #7
Sorry I disagree. Clinton is well known and well defined her numbers don't have much room to move. Exultant Democracy Feb 2014 #40
Wonder how any other democratic candidates would do ? iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #4
I bet not nearly as good ast that....it is unprecedented for anyone VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #8
^^ Obviously the Meme O' the Day ^^ (Collect & Trade 'em!) RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #11
Yeah she is.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #12
Now they're throwing around "misogynist." Good luck with that phony attack line.. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #22
If you think she cannot possibly have a difference of opinion on issues as her husband.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #24
No doubt there is more than enough misogyny out there Whisp Feb 2014 #31
No it doesn't .....if they feel she MUST be Centrist because Bill Clinton is... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #36
Some crazy extrapolation going on there. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #57
No it isn't....If you judge a wife's political beliefs are based on that of her husbands... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #58
Precisely why I said what I said. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #61
I did NOT say that did I? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #62
Like I said...you're just operating as a Gadfly on DU. I'm done with you. nt NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #63
and I am done with putting up with Misogyny! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #64
I don't think it is misogyny. cosmicone Feb 2014 #33
I DO think it is Misogynist to paint her a certain way BECAUSE of who she is married to VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #37
It's a unique situation where the past First Lady is now running for Pres. Whisp Feb 2014 #39
Saying what she believes is because of who she is married to... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #42
Yes it is....Is Mary Matlin a Democrat because she married James Carville? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #44
Hillary has her own record as a senator and SoS cosmicone Feb 2014 #41
Yes she is....she is LEFT of Pres. Obama....But saying she cannot be one BECAUSE of VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #43
No, it's because she voted for the Chimperor's dumb war, Whisp Feb 2014 #54
THAT is not what was said in this conversation now was it... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #55
Here you go... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #45
I'm already a Hillary supporter! cosmicone Feb 2014 #47
Good! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #49
Again, I don't think it is because of Bill cosmicone Feb 2014 #52
but some here obviously DO! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #59
I have my own source and it disagrees with yours. Whisp Feb 2014 #56
thats bullshit....Link please! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #74
she has had more than enough time and chance DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #82
THOSE are NOT the ONLY issues I am concerned about.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #83
really, so she can ignore key issues DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #84
Please prove that.....link please! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #85
link, does she supprt keystone DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #86
No I said...."far to the right" specifically....please see my next post ... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #88
Here you go.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #87
ugh, way to avoid questions DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #89
Did you see any "far to the right" positions in MY list of her statements AND voting record? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #90
so your list is all that matters DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #91
"My List" pretty much damages your little "theory" about her being "far to the right" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #92
Now lets see what she has to say about Corporations shall we? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #93
And Just for fun....lets see what she has to say about Oil... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #94
If she had difference of opinions DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #73
She does...I have shown he is a moderate....and she is left of Pres. Obama... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #75
left of president Obama? DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #78
Yes....a million times YES... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79
explain this DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #80
Check my post again....explanation already prepared... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81
Are you talking about Hillary the Left Liberal, or NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #32
If you think that she could not possibly be more Left than Bill Clinton.....because she is married VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #38
Huh? Where did I say anything about Bill Clinton?? NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #46
You joined a conversation defending the side that took that stance.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48
Oh, now you're advising me on what I can and cannot respond to? NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #50
If you don't want to wear it....then don't admire the shoe... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #51
Whatever, it's not like your responses are ever on topic or have any credence anyway. NorthCarolina Feb 2014 #53
Says you.....Better to have a "pony" than none though huh? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #76
The fact that it's so far out concerns me, though... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #27
So? .....They are their own worst enemies right now.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #28
They're eating their own RIGHT NOW... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #96
Yeah well now is the time to go with your A-team...finish them off... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #97
No one outside of DU knows who they are. nt Walk away Feb 2014 #16
We have the first feminist POTUS in office. Shocking support for Ryan by women! But good vs. Paul. freshwest Feb 2014 #5
Great. It sounds as though Clinton's got some Joementum! RufusTFirefly Feb 2014 #6
Who are the other eight in the current scenario? onehandle Feb 2014 #10
If Elizabeth Warren was doing this well, you'd be just as dismissive, right? brooklynite Feb 2014 #15
Wow, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Marco aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2014 #9
Even against Rmoney and Paul (who could be a credible candidate) she lead with an outright Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #13
Resistance is futile. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #23
Paul would only be credible for pro-capitalists. joshcryer Feb 2014 #30
Thanks for posting that poll. That's the one that Chris Mattews was talking about. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #14
^^^^Yeah!^^^^ Walk away Feb 2014 #17
The republicans might want to think about getting a new barrel.. Johnyawl Feb 2014 #18
HRC 2016 Campaign Slogan: "You Don't Need No Stinkin' Choices" blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #20
Meh, we can do better. /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #25
Hillary Fucking Clinton FTMFW!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #26
A reflection of just how bad they are, lol grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #29
Who doesn't?! Fearless Feb 2014 #35
Hillary is probably the only Dem candidate that can regain the House for us. LonePirate Feb 2014 #60
I have to agree. My opinion of HRC since the '08 primaries has shifted dramatically. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #65
Hillary supports the third way policies. frwrfpos Feb 2014 #72
so she could WIN the Republican nomination! yurbud Feb 2014 #77
Demographics is destiny agentS Feb 2014 #95
Still trying to grasp the idea MissMillie Feb 2014 #98
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
21. HRC is associated w/"The Family," the shadowy RW religious Cult that operates the Prayer Breakfasts
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:13 AM
Feb 2014

and owns "Frathouse for Jesus" in Washington, DC.

It is rumored that "The Family" helped co-author Uganda's noxious KILL THE GAYS genocide bill.

Source: Jeff Sharlet's expose' "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism At The Heart Of American Power"

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
34. No, she isn't.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

She attended some prayer breakfasts as first lady and as senator, but she's not a member of "The Family".

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
66. Not so fast...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:02 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/03/19/480201/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Controversial-Pastor#

Hillary Clinton's Controversial Pastor


Over at Talk to Action, (and here on Daily Kos) I have highlighted the strange relationship between Hillary Clinton and the secretive Religious Right network known as "The Family." Jeff Sharlet and Kathryn Joyce wrote about this in Mother Jones and wanted to ask her about it, but she declined.


In the wake of the controversy over Barack Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, Barbara Erenreich, writing at The Nation, thinks it is only fair and reasonable to ask Hillary Clinton about her relationship with Doug Coe, the controversial leader of The Family, and for that matter, The Family itself.

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as "The "Fellowship," a k a The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in May.

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the under-appreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define The Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worships Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as The Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power--cultivating it, building it and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

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Beacool

(30,247 posts)
67. As I said, she attended prayer meetings, but she is NOT a member of The Family.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 05:11 PM
Feb 2014

They can spin it all they want, but it doesn't make it a fact. Hillary has always been religious, she just doesn't shout it like the Tea Party folks do.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
3. I really think it's too early for these polls to mean much....
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:23 PM
Feb 2014

However, a favorable rating among 52% of voters is good.

Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
40. Sorry I disagree. Clinton is well known and well defined her numbers don't have much room to move.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:44 PM
Feb 2014

A number solidly over 50% even this far out is very telling.

I'm not wild about the ideal of another Clinton in the white house, but numbers like these are going to start shifting the landscape in her favor too. It will be hard for other dems to primary her effectively, especially since 7 out of 9 of the early contenders will actually be running to be Clinton's VP or in the Cabinet.

Not to mention the $ that these numbers bring and the people you can hire with that money. She already has a crack team at work, all this Monica talk recently is not a coincidence either and the timing couldn't be better for Clinton.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
4. Wonder how any other democratic candidates would do ?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:44 PM
Feb 2014

HOW DARE YOU!
SHE WILL BE THE NOMINEE!
OBEY ! OBEY ! OBEY!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
8. I bet not nearly as good ast that....it is unprecedented for anyone
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:52 PM
Feb 2014

to have such a commanding lead this far out....

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
11. ^^ Obviously the Meme O' the Day ^^ (Collect & Trade 'em!)
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:12 PM
Feb 2014

(For those who missed yesterday's. It was the risible notion that HRC is a "Left Liberal.&quot

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
12. Yeah she is....
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:15 PM
Feb 2014

Or are you another misogynist that thinks Hillary cannot possibly have a different opinion on issues than her husband?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
24. If you think she cannot possibly have a difference of opinion on issues as her husband....
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:24 AM
Feb 2014

than THAT is exactly misogyny! Classic case!

If the shoe fits....wear it!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
31. No doubt there is more than enough misogyny out there
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:04 AM
Feb 2014

- but claiming it the way you did weakens the whole meaning of the word.

Hillary supported her husband while they were in the Whitehouse, of course she would - what First Lady would not? - how in gawd's green acre is that misogyny?

After she left the Whitehouse though, if she had very different views on for ex:, NAFTA, she should have claimed that view as her own but she waited until she was pressed with it in the '08 primaries and them hemmed and hawed and for political sakes picked and chose what was convenient for her and what wasn't in regards to questions on where she stood on matters during Bill's presidency.

One could call that a number of things, but misogyny for recognizing that? No.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
36. No it doesn't .....if they feel she MUST be Centrist because Bill Clinton is...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:20 PM
Feb 2014

THAT is the epitome of misogyny....

I know it when I see it!


Sorry you are wrong!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
57. Some crazy extrapolation going on there.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:54 PM
Feb 2014

Did it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe folks label Hillary as a Centrist because of HER politics? For you to automatically assume that anyone that feels that way is doing so because they are equating her to her husband is not only ludicrous, it makes YOU the misogynist.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
58. No it isn't....If you judge a wife's political beliefs are based on that of her husbands...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:56 PM
Feb 2014

no matter WHO it is...THAT is misogyny...

PERIOD


(by the way....racists ALSO deny that they are racists...THEN the tactic is to ALWAYS pivot to claim the person making the charge IS the real racist....so that is nothing new either)

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
61. Precisely why I said what I said.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:18 PM
Feb 2014

YOU are the only one here stating that anyone who believes Hillary to be a centrist is doing so solely because they are associating her with her husband and drawing their conclusions from that.

I don't see ANYONE here doing that...except for you.

I realize now that your role here is solely that of a gadfly.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
62. I did NOT say that did I?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:31 PM
Feb 2014

I SAID that IF you think Hillary is a Centrist BECAUSE she is married to Bill....then THAT is misogynist!
Period....

THAT is what I said....and if YOU think that....well.....if the shoe fits...stop admiring it and put it on!


By the way...being thought a "gadfly" is much better than being thought a chauvinist!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
64. and I am done with putting up with Misogyny!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:38 PM
Feb 2014

I am speaking the truth....if that makes me a "gadfly" in your book so be it. I would rather be that than the chauvinist!

They said it...and apparently you agree with it...as you keep defending the position...Then you have the nerve throw a pejorative at me for pointing it out?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
33. I don't think it is misogyny.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:35 AM
Feb 2014

I think it is our version of the tea party. Some people would rather see an ultra-leftist like Bernie Sanders run and lose than have a somewhat less liberal candidate and win.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
37. I DO think it is Misogynist to paint her a certain way BECAUSE of who she is married to
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:22 PM
Feb 2014

and THAT is exactly what they just did...


THAT IS misogyny!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
39. It's a unique situation where the past First Lady is now running for Pres.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:30 PM
Feb 2014

it's not misogynist thinking that married couples work as a team.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
42. Saying what she believes is because of who she is married to...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:13 PM
Feb 2014

IS misogynist...sorry....

That's just wrong.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
44. Yes it is....Is Mary Matlin a Democrat because she married James Carville?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:16 PM
Feb 2014

No....so what you just said...IS misogyny!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
41. Hillary has her own record as a senator and SoS
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:57 PM
Feb 2014

and it is not all that liberal. I'm a Hillary supporter but I look at the whole person and not dwell on her support of Iraq war, patriot act and other controversies that I don't agree with.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
43. Yes she is....she is LEFT of Pres. Obama....But saying she cannot be one BECAUSE of
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:14 PM
Feb 2014

who she married to IS misogynist...PERIOD!

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
54. No, it's because she voted for the Chimperor's dumb war,
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:31 PM
Feb 2014

THAT is only ONE reason why and that one she owns all by herself. And she doesn't have the humility to properly apologize for that like most others who were duped did.

Plus a whole lot of other very UNliberal things she has done and said - like that coup in Honduras with her weasel buddy Lanny Davis or threatening to 'obliterate' Iran or taking money from the likes of Goldman Sachs and the Carlyle group for speeches or that tact she has when she said We Came We Saw We Killed Him, re: Quaddafi. Or announcing Haiti is 'Open for Business' which means slave sweat shop labour for American big hoity toity rich hot shots.

And the beat goes on and on which totally prevents her from being the Left of almost anyone in the Dem party, let alone Obama.








 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
55. THAT is not what was said in this conversation now was it...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:33 PM
Feb 2014

YOU claimed they were automatically a team and therefore she COULD be painted a certain way because of who she married.


THAT is misogyny!

The "beat" goes on indeed!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
47. I'm already a Hillary supporter!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:25 PM
Feb 2014

I also get that politicians with presidential ambitions have to take moderate positions at times, because they don't have the luxury of being Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.

I would never call Hillary a conservative by any stretch of the imagination and what Bill's views are don't come in the equation.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
52. Again, I don't think it is because of Bill
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:28 PM
Feb 2014

it is because of Hillary's own record.

Let's agree to disagree!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
74. thats bullshit....Link please!
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:23 PM
Feb 2014

Of course you can't....

Nice try....no cigar.

But thanks for yet another opportunity to post this...


http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
82. she has had more than enough time and chance
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:34 AM
Feb 2014

to state her opinions,
Hell, let me be real BLUNT

If she were to come out against Keystone,
against the TPP,
and against H1b Visas


If she were to come out for:
replacing the aca with single payer health care
abolishing the patriot act,
normalizing relations with Iran

Then not only would I support her, I would run right over whoever was in her way.
and I would forgive all the blood on her hands for supporting that which I hate,
and if Bill was in the way, I would gleefully run right over Bill,
GLEEFULLY, as if to say
Hey Bill, both your wife and her nation have finally had enough of your centrist crap!

But she will not, and we all know it.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
83. THOSE are NOT the ONLY issues I am concerned about....
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:39 AM
Feb 2014

this myopic thinking.....Jeebus! I am sure Rand Paul is probably supports Keystone XL..but for sure against the TPP...and likely the the H1B visas....Perhaps he would be a better choice than a lowly Democrat?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
84. really, so she can ignore key issues
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:59 AM
Feb 2014

like Keystone?

Really, what sells YOU on her?

Her peace policy?
Her economic policy?

because both of them are way to the right.

Now now, I will not vote third party, but do not feed me a pisuion sandiwch and expect me to not spit it out. She is bad fior the left.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
85. Please prove that.....link please!
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:10 AM
Feb 2014

specifically "way to the right"!

*Please do not try to put her husband into the equation*

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
86. link, does she supprt keystone
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:13 AM
Feb 2014

does she support h1b visas?
come on now, you can google like anyone else, and so can the voters.

Did she say "assad must go?"

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
88. No I said...."far to the right" specifically....please see my next post ...
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:16 AM
Feb 2014

to see how I dismantle your "theory"

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
87. Here you go....
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:14 AM
Feb 2014

**Hillary Clinton on Budget & Economy**
Click here for 30 full quotes on Budget & Economy OR other candidates on Budget & Economy OR background on Budget & Economy.
Government action to tackle recession, not tax cuts. (Feb 2008)
The economy is not working for middle class families. (Jan 2008)
We need immediate relief for home heating & housing crisis. (Jan 2008)
No evidence as to how Obama would pay for new programs. (Jan 2008)
Foreclosure moratorium mitigates agony; doesn’t prolong it. (Jan 2008)
90-day moratorium on foreclosures; freeze interest rates. (Jan 2008)
Call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures for 90 days. (Jan 2008)
Freeze mortgage interest rates for five years. (Jan 2008)
Look back to 1990s to see how I’d be fiscally responsible. (Dec 2007)
Help people facing foreclosure; don’t just bail-out banks. (Aug 2007)
Balanced budget replaced with rising costs & falling wages. (Jun 2007)
2000: Eight years of a great economy is not enough. (Jan 2007)
Last six years were challenging; let’s try a new direction. (Oct 2006)
Co-sponsored bills totaling $502B in spending thru 2005. (Oct 2006)
Use tax dollars to upgrade infrastructure, not for stadium. (Oct 2000)
Pay down debt & cut taxes within balanced budget. (Sep 2000)
Stimulate upstate economy by more local decision-making. (Sep 2000)
Supports Niagara casino, but prefers job creation strategy. (Sep 2000)
Protect next generation by paying off national debt. (Aug 2000)
We have outlived the usefulness of Bretton Woods. (Jun 1999)
The economy creates consumers but cannot create citizens. (Jun 1999)
Invest in people instead of “smokestack chasing”. (Feb 1997)
Voting Record

Voted to limit credit card interest to 30%. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Consistently against making bankruptcy stricter. (Jan 2008)
2005 bankruptcy bill was by big credit cards & lenders. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Require full disclosure about subprime mortgages. (Dec 2007)
Reform mortgage rules to prevent foreclosure & bankruptcy. (Feb 2008)

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
91. so your list is all that matters
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:19 AM
Feb 2014

and keystone and syria can be ignored, why, because the people those hurt do not matter, right?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
92. "My List" pretty much damages your little "theory" about her being "far to the right"
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:20 AM
Feb 2014

on Economic issues!


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
93. Now lets see what she has to say about Corporations shall we?
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:23 AM
Feb 2014

**Hillary Clinton on Corporations**
Click here for 22 full quotes on Corporations OR other candidates on Corporations OR background on Corporations.
Take back $55B in Bush’s industry give-aways. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Pushed Wal-Mart for women managers & environment. (Jan 2008)
World Bank should impose rules on sovereign wealth funds. (Jan 2008)
Bush defanged the Consumer Product Safety Commission. (Dec 2007)
FactCheck: Yes, Bush shrunk CPSC; but it shrank before Bush. (Dec 2007)
Outraged at CEO compensation. (Oct 2007)
Stop bankruptcies to get rid of pension responsibilities. (Aug 2007)
Enough with corporate welfare; enough with golden parachutes. (Jun 2007)
Close lobbyists’ revolving door; end no-bid contracts. (Jun 2007)
1976 Rose Law: Fought for industry against electric rate cut. (Jun 2007)
Corporate lawyer at Rose Law while Bill was Attorney General. (Jun 2007)
Corporate elite treat working-class America as invisible. (Apr 2007)
Companies get rewarded with hard-working people left hanging. (Mar 2007)
1980s: Loved Wal-Mart's "Buy America" program. (Jun 2004)
1970s: Potential conflict of interest when GM sued Arkansas. (Nov 1997)
Businesses play social role in US; gov’t oversight required. (Sep 1996)
Family-friendly work policies are good for business. (Sep 1996)
Angry at unacceptable acquiescence to greed in the 1980s. (Jun 1994)
Serving on boards provides ties but requires defending too. (Aug 1993)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on restricting rules on personal bankruptcy. (Jul 2001)
Rated 35% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)


oooooooo Scary....so "far to the right" Lady!!!!!



 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
94. And Just for fun....lets see what she has to say about Oil...
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:29 AM
Feb 2014

**Hillary Clinton on Energy & Oil **
Click here for 44 full quotes on Energy & Oil OR other candidates on Energy & Oil OR background on Energy & Oil.
Get tough with energy speculators and with OPEC cartel. (May 2008)
Gas tax holiday, paid for by windfall oil tax. (May 2008)
GovWatch: Gas tax holiday saves $8B; but that’s 64 cents/day. (May 2008)
Investigate gas price manipulation; add windfall profits tax. (Apr 2008)
FactCheck: Yes, FTC is investigating gas price manipulation. (Apr 2008)
Cap-and-trade as president; compact fluorescents at home. (Apr 2008)
$650 for help with energy bills to those who can’t afford it. (Jan 2008)
FactCheck: Oil & gas giveaways stripped from final 2005 Bill. (Jan 2008)
Investigate & move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Oct 2007)
Opposes Yucca Mountain; earthquake fault goes under it. (Sep 2007)
Led delegation, with McCain, to see effects of polar warming. (Sep 2007)
Invest in alternative energy; jobs that won’t be outsourced. (Aug 2007)
End Big Oil tax break; $50 billion for strategic energy fund. (Jul 2007)
Agnostic about nuclear power until waste & cost issue solved. (Jul 2007)
FactCheck: There was no Big Oil tax break under Bush-Cheney. (Jul 2007)
Energy Independence 2020: $50B for Strategic Energy Fund. (Jun 2007)
Extensive funding into alternative energy. (Jun 2007)
Will make big oil fund alternative energy research. (Feb 2007)
$50B strategic energy fund from taxing oil companies. (Oct 2006)
Remove energy dependence on countries who would harm us. (Jun 2006)
Need to move toward energy efficiency and conservation. (Jan 2006)
Supports oil reserve release & fund conservation. (Oct 2000)
Voting Record

Ratify Kyoto; more mass transit. (Sep 2000)
Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)


You were saying...???


ba dub dub...

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
73. If she had difference of opinions
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 08:59 PM
Feb 2014

she has exactly the platform to speak them on, and I, for one, hope she will, especially if it hurts the feeling of the Bubba Fan Club.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
78. left of president Obama?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

You can say many things about Hillary, but being left of any party is not one of them. You forget that Obama first turn to the right was when he adopted HER right wing idea of an individual mandate, an idea we rejected. Throw in a policy towards the mid east that is appalling, and support for both the keystone pipeline and TPPP, and you have nothing left at all.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
79. Yes....a million times YES...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:04 PM
Feb 2014

She is left of Obama....

Using the same 25 categories of political issues in comparison shall we....

Barack Obama

http://www.ontheissues.org/barack_obama.htm
Barack Obama is a Moderate Liberal.


Hillary Clinton

http://www.ontheissues.org/hillary_clinton.htm
Hillary Clinton is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
80. explain this
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:07 PM
Feb 2014

How is her support of the tpp left
how is her support of h1b-visa left
come now, you said left of Obama, and those two things make her very RIGHT
and let's not forget the keystone pipeline, which she helped bring about as sec of state.

how are these things even left, much less left of Obama?

What Hillary supporters want to hide is that she and her husband were the ones the one percent hired to exterminate the left, something they did very well, and are prepped to do again.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
81. Check my post again....explanation already prepared...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 11:09 PM
Feb 2014

and you are welcome to go there and take the test yourself and see where you are in comparison...

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
32. Are you talking about Hillary the Left Liberal, or
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 10:26 AM
Feb 2014

Hillary Clinton? I'm quite familiar with the latter, and I'll take a pass. The interests of the general public have been sold out quite enough by her political stripe thank you very much. Time for something completely different. I'm thinking a Warren or a Sanders. would do quite nicely.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
38. If you think that she could not possibly be more Left than Bill Clinton.....because she is married
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 02:23 PM
Feb 2014

to him...

Then you might be a misogynist!

To use HIS stances in ANY way to point out why you think she is not "Left enough" THAT IS misogyny!

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
53. Whatever, it's not like your responses are ever on topic or have any credence anyway.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:30 PM
Feb 2014

Your a bit of a one-trick pony.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
76. Says you.....Better to have a "pony" than none though huh?
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 09:30 PM
Feb 2014

If you think Hillary Clinton could not possibly have her own opinions on the issues than her husband....THAT is misogyny....plain and simple. If you subscribe to that opinion...then wear that badge with pride!

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
27. The fact that it's so far out concerns me, though...
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:49 AM
Feb 2014

...that's 2 1/2 years to reburnish the image of Gov. Crispy Creme, or Jeb son-of-a-Bush, or any number of Repubots. Do not underestimate them - they're down now, and they need to stay down. That takes effort on our part.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
28. So? .....They are their own worst enemies right now....
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 03:53 AM
Feb 2014

they are eating their own....and that is the point....Now is not when you pull out your long shot! We are not in a Hail Mary situation....we want to hold the line....but continue to make progress down the field...

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
96. They're eating their own RIGHT NOW...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:44 PM
Feb 2014

...but my only point was that 2 1/2 years is an eternity to reburnish an image.

No one is suggesting that we pull out our long shot. I know that we're not down by four with 10 seconds to go on our own 20. I'm only saying that now is not the time to take our foot off the gas - they're down, and they need to stay there.

's all I'm sayin'.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
97. Yeah well now is the time to go with your A-team...finish them off...
Sun Feb 16, 2014, 06:49 PM
Feb 2014

why take any chances to give them a second wind? Take the ball and run right over them!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
5. We have the first feminist POTUS in office. Shocking support for Ryan by women! But good vs. Paul.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:45 PM
Feb 2014

And we still have 2014 to win.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
6. Great. It sounds as though Clinton's got some Joementum!
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:47 PM
Feb 2014
Gallup 2003: Lieberman Leads Field of Nine
Bush not seen as invincible



Wow! These early polls are remarkably accurate predictors, particularly in times like ours, when the economic climate, the political climate, and the climate climate are all so goldurned stable. Frankly, I don't imagine much will happen during the 2 1/2 years between now and the 2016 election. Heck, we might as well get on with the coronation.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
10. Who are the other eight in the current scenario?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:10 PM
Feb 2014

Obama was a known quantity at the time, and no serious person could deny that he might be President someday.

There is no Obama waiting in the wings.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
9. Wow, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Marco
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:07 PM
Feb 2014

Rubio, and Sarah Palin. Not exactly an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the prospective candidates they can muster. More like just an embarrassment.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
13. Even against Rmoney and Paul (who could be a credible candidate) she lead with an outright
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:21 PM
Feb 2014

majority. Impressive.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
14. Thanks for posting that poll. That's the one that Chris Mattews was talking about.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:21 PM
Feb 2014

Hillary sure looks good.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
18. The republicans might want to think about getting a new barrel..
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
Feb 2014

...they're scrapping the bottom of that one, and not coming up with much.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
60. Hillary is probably the only Dem candidate that can regain the House for us.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 04:13 PM
Feb 2014

That is why I support her. I wish we had a true liberal candidate that could win the House for us; but that does not seem possible with anyone else.

Hillary will win by 12-15 points or more and have some very long coat tails. We can finally start moving this country forward again 2017 if Hillary runs.

 

frwrfpos

(517 posts)
72. Hillary supports the third way policies.
Thu Feb 13, 2014, 07:20 PM
Feb 2014

Hillary supported the right wing military coup in Honduras
Hillary supports the economically disastrous TPP and free traitor policies
Hillary oversaw the disaster in Haiti that saw little to zero effort to actually help the Haitian people
Hillary went to numerous prayer breakfasts with member of the cult "the family" ...google them..scary bunch

Hillary Clinton can march her republican self over to the other side of the aisle where she firmly belongs

agentS

(1,325 posts)
95. Demographics is destiny
Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:48 AM
Feb 2014

Can any of the Repubs bring in enough minorities to flip purple states red in key states? Can any of them appeal to women? Hell can any of them win a primary without making half the country hate them before Iowa even votes????
Until the Repubs field a great unifier or get their own "Obama" I'm not putting much stock into 2016. 2014 seems more interesting to me these days.

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