Venezuelan opposition leader's arrest sought
Source: AP
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said Saturday that a police manhunt was underway for Leopoldo Lopez, the hard-line opposition leader behind anti-government demonstrations that ended with three deaths.
The socialist president's announcement came amid dueling pro-government and student-led opposition demonstrations held in different parts of the capital, Caracas.
Lopez "ordered all these violent kids, which he trained, to destroy the prosecutor's office and half of Caracas and then goes into hiding," Maduro told thousands of supporters at a rally to denounce what he called a U.S.-backed, "fascist" plot to oust him from power. "Turn yourself in coward."
The president said security forces acting on a Feb. 12 arrest order are now looking for Lopez, who hasn't been seen since a Wednesday night press conference in which he vowed that anti-government street protests would continue.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-opposition-leader-39-arrest-sought-203119469.html
Archae
(46,327 posts)Translation: "I need this guy as my scapegoat for my own screw-ups, and blaming the US is handy too!"
7962
(11,841 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I have to ask: Who in the Middle East do you blame?
7962
(11,841 posts)But little of it has to do with the Jews.
If you removed Israel from the area completely, there would still be pretty much the same amount of violence.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I think you might get an argument on that point from a few million Palestinians, not to mention about a billion Muslims World-wide.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts).....all the world's Muslims have fewer Nobel Prizes than Trinity College, Cambridge. Nothing to do with tribalism or or a fractured religion or despotism or lack of education, or extreme patriarchy. No, it's the JEWS!!!
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Alone among nations, they simply can do no wrong of any kind. Everyone knows that, right?
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)as does israel with them....but the problems I outlined are far and away the major hurdles to improvement in people's lives in the Middle East. (although i'd like to add corruption to the list)
7962
(11,841 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts). . . and raise you military occupation, internationally recognized land theft, and crimes against humanity (as in collective punishment of civilian populations).
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Whatever makes you suggest something as insulting as that? Your losing the debate, perhaps?
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)I was talking about the major issues of the Middle East and none of them have to do with Israel-THE HORROR!!!! How insulting of me..
What was I thinking-of 'course the entire problems of the region are all due to JEWS!!! lol
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)To employ those two terms interchangeably only serves to obscure the real situation.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts).....who knew......but yes, all Israel's fault of 'course!
7962
(11,841 posts)Seems like they cant even have 2 different mosques in the same town without blowing each other up.
As for the Palestinians, they could've had their own country when Bill Clinton set up the agreement back in the 90's that gave them almost everything they wanted.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Israel is completely blameless. The rest of the World is just out to get them for some reason.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts).....with equal rights for women and gays and everybody had a unicorn.
7962
(11,841 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)Of course Israel has made mistakes. But for some reason your second sentence seems to be true for a lot of people.
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)Sorry but I don't believe you are serious...
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)Sometimes Israel, sometimes the Palestinians, sometimes the Saudis, occasionally Hezbollah, every once in a while Egypt or Turkey. And often Iran.............The Israelis are not innocents, but they sure as shit aren't villains
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)No, not most of them anyway. Their current national leaders are, however, war criminals of the worst kind.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)Not much experience with war criminals I hope? Worst kind?
Wanna walk that back or change the goalposts or you can tell me which current Israeli leader is on a par with a Dr Josef Mengele?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The crimes they have committed are well documented. You can look it up.
EX500rider
(10,842 posts)So which is it?
The majority of war crimes in that area would be the indiscriminate firing of rockets into towns and cities and the blowing up of human bombs in pizza parlors and buses. Neither which are committed by the IDF.
"Well documented" like the "Jenin Massacre" was? That turned out to be PLO BS?
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)in the first coup attempt against Chavez should have gotten him life in the slammers but stupid Chavez pardoned everyone involved in it.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)DU backs the neoliberal agenda in South America don't you know? You're not allowed to have a democracy if it isn't USA approved. Duh! Now where is my IMF and World bank manual. I need to check on something.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)he only signed a paper. If that is your understanding of the events, then discussion on this would be a waste of air.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)If that is all you have, blathering insults, then continuing would be a waste of time.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)He incited and participated in a group which he helped found, to overthrow a legally elected President. Here we would call that treason. So don't play all innocent with just signing a paper, you know there is more to it than that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"participation in a group" is not a crime
You still haven't pointed to a single thing he DID to try to illegally remove Chavez from office.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Calling for peaceful protest is not inciting overthrow. Occupy did that, I suppose you were against Occupy.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)they are not. This is a USA trained neoliberal that wants to turn back the gains the poor have received. Occupy did not fight for wall street if memory serves.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Only one kind of protest is legitimate?
The right wingers and their free speech zones would agree with you.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)joshcryer
(62,270 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)No dual standards for coup leaders.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)EX500rider
(10,842 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 16, 2014, 02:41 AM - Edit history (1)
No way to trace that money. He may be in Colorado now...
The other Koch Brother: Bill's got a lot of money. Different agenda.
The North Fork Valley, near where Bill Koch has consolidated his power.
Oh to be the geeky younger brother. Its never easy. But try to be the geeky younger brother to two ideologue billionaires who are trying to take over the world and, with the help of the Supreme Court and a lot of bought-off politicians, seem to be succeeding. The big brothers in this case are David and Charles Koch, owners of Koch Industries, the second-largest privately owned company in the U.S., and among the nations top polluters. In recent years, the Koch Brothers have been expanding their empire deep into American politics. Thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court decision, theyve been able to freely fund Tea Party and ultra-conservative organizations to the tune of millions of dollars. Now theyre also heavily funding the anti-union push in Wisconsin, and have become the bane of liberals everywhere.
And then theres William, one of two other Koch Brothers. Like his older brothers, Bill is a billionaire. Like his brothers, hes a fossil-fuel-powered corporate titan and an ardent consumer of political influence. Nevertheless, the tendency to throw Bill into the same category as his older brothers is simply unfair. For one thing, hes been at odds with his siblings for much of the last three decades, even spending a good deal of time battling them in court. For another thing, Bill Koch is much more complicated than Charles and David. Hes more opportunistic, less ideologically constrained and, in some ways, maybe even more powerful. And while his older brothers seem to be bent on creating a whole new über-capitalistic political order, Bills goals are harder to decipher: Hes donated to Al Gores campaign and Richard Pombos, fought against wind power and owns coal mines, and over the past two decades has amassed a tremendous amount of influence on the aspen and oak covered high plateaus, and in the rural towns below, of the North Fork Valley of Western Colorado. Now he seems to be reaching for more.
Like so many American success stories of the 20th Century, the Koch familys was built on oil. Fred Koch, the father of Bill, Charles, David and Freddie, figured out a new way to refine oil (or possibly stole the idea from other oil companies), and got rich developing the method in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s. He returned to the U.S. in the 1940s and started the Rock Island Oil & Refining Company. When Fred died in 1967 Charles, the second oldest brother, took the helm of the company and changed the name to Koch Industries. Today, the company rakes in some $100 billion per year and has 70,000 employees.
Bill never really fit into the family or the family corporations mold. As a youngster, he was reportedly jealous of his older brothers athletic prowess and success, which caused problems all through childhood and then again when Bill, Charles and David were all at MIT (a fourth brother, Freddie, went to Harvard, studied playwriting, and remains out of the limelight). Later, when Bill joined Koch Industries as a consultant and then as President of Corporate Development, the old family friction continued. Things didnt go well for Bill, and in 1982 he attempted a corporate coup-de-tat on his brothers. It failed, and he was canned. But Bill sued the company and David and Charles, ultimately walking away with a reported $260 million.
A lot more, working links and pros and cons in comments on that Koch brother at link:
http://jonathanpthompson.blogspot.com/2011/02/other-koch-brother-same-fortune.html
If this guy is a rich oligarch, he's got a good hiding place and the chances he will never be caught, if he did any of this, are slim. As far as American influence, I doubt 'the USA government' is going to involve itself.
We're trying to get out of the foreign energy dramas. But the Koch brothers don't respect any national border and may be Best Friends Forever with him.
We don't know, we're only speculating. If he did what Maduro claims, caused the death of three people and tore up part of Caracas, he should be in jail.
JMHO.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)You were close, and you definitely spelled their name in Spanish correctly.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)What proof? Maduro says so! That's proof enough for the legions he and Hugo bought off with refrigerators, TVs and other goods "liberated" from those wicked, bloodsucking merchants.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)disagreed with his politics. Many of them were arrest and all of them were questioned.
How is that any different?
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)Yes but that's different because?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in the fevered imaginations of the Timothy McVeigh crowd
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Since conveniently enough they can just reuse their last decades worth of cartoons about Zimbabwe.
sked14
(579 posts)And throw in the "blame the US" for everything bad happening in VN instead of your own corrupt govt.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)alp227
(32,020 posts)El Universal (Caracas) in Spanish: Allanan residencia de los padres de Leopoldo López
El Univeral in English: Twenty-five demonstrators released after student protests in Venezuela
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 16, 2014, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_America%E2%80%93United_States_relations(Neoliberalism as a puzzle: the useless global unity which fragments and destroys nations)
(by Subcomandante Marcos)
The global power of the financial centers is so great, that they can afford not to worry about the political tendency of those who hold power in a nation, if the economic program (in other words, the role that nation has in the global economic megaprogram) remains unaltered. The financial disciplines impose themselves upon the different colors of the world political spectrum in regards to the government of any nation. The great world power can tolerate a leftist government in any part of the world, as long as the government does not take measures that go against the needs of the world financial centers. But in no way will it tolerate that an alternative economic, political and social organization consolidate. For the megapolitics, the national politics are dwarfed and submit to the dictates of the financial centers. It will be this way until the dwarfs rebel...
From Fire to Autonomy: Zapatistas, 20 Years of Walking Slowly
Speaking in the mountains of Chiapas, Mexico, on a cold drizzly New Year's Eve, the Zapatista Comandante Hortensia addressed the crowd: "Twenty-five or 30 years ago we were completely deceived, manipulated, subjugated, forgotten, drowned in ignorance and misery." She was communicating the official words of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation (EZLN) on the 20th anniversary of their rebellion, when thousands of indigenous people rose up in arms, took over dozens of major towns and villages in this southern state, and declared "enough is enough, never again will there be a homeland that doesn't include us."
Comandante Hortensia went on to explain how over the past two decades, they have constructed their own autonomous government, complete with their own health and education system, based in the indigenous traditions of their ancestors. Despite the continual efforts of the "neoliberal bad government" to displace them from their land, the Zapatistas have successfully recuperated thousands of acres of land on which they have constructed communities that are governed "from the bottom up." Community members participate in rotating government positions that operate under the democratic principle of "mandar obedeciendo" (commanding by obeying).
The Mexican government has attempted to introduce social programs with the goal of co-opting and dividing the indigenous population in Zapatista areas. However, the indigenous rebels, who reject all forms of government handouts, have successfully resisted co-optation. If you ask a Zapatista how many are in the ranks, they will just respond "somos un chingo," which loosely translates into "there are a whole lot of us." Official estimates put their numbers at 250,000 people or roughly 10 percent of the population of the state of Chiapas.
snip---
On January 1, 1994, the NAFTA free trade agreement entered Mexico with vigor, promising foreign investment and economic prosperity at the expense of the plunder of natural resources. NAFTA is largely credited for flooding the Mexican market with subsidized corn from the United States, which decimated farmers' livelihoods and provoked massive migration to the United States. Two years prior to NAFTA's implementation, former President Carlos Salinas opened the floodgates to land privatization by reforming Article 27, which had protected communally owned land known as ejidos, created during the Mexican revolution. Thus, the introduction of NAFTA provided the perfect context for the uprising of the indigenous guerillas who formed the EZLN.
The above democratic Zapatista society is exactly why Wall St. banksters are financing and using their neoliberal cabin boy Lopez to propagandize and sell out the people of Venezuela to Wall St. and prevent democracy from growing and succeeding in Venezuela. They cannot afford to let democracy take root in Venezuela, and they resent not being able to exploit the people and privatize and own the resources that belong to the people of Venezuela. If people all over the world rejected the greed of Wall Street's blueprinted global exploitation systems, the banksters will lose their power Wall St. sends it's privately owned US Government World Police to do everything and anything to disrupt fledgling democracies and prevent them from growing and succeeding. Genuine democracy is the antithesis of Wall St. globalism and imperialism.
The corporate revolution will collapse if we refuse to buy what they are selling their ideas, their version of history, their wars, their weapons, their notion of inevitability.
Remember this: We be many and they be few. They need us more than we need them.
Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing.
― Arundhati Roy, War Talk
¡Ya basta!
Yankee go home! Hasta la victoria siempre.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Thank you for all the great articles you post in this forum.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Thank you for posting such important, powerful words.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Like so many others, I'm sickened by Wall St. and other wealthy private interests using our government as a tool for capitalist deception, conquest, and oppression.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)a distraction by Manduro to take people's focus off the problems in Venezuela. You know like shortages of staple goods, very high inflation, a very high murder rate with the police either looking the other way or actively involved in the murders.