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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:32 PM Feb 2014

Ohio Cuts Early Voting Hours That Are Key To Black Turnout

Source: Think Progress

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has followed through on promises to restrict voting opportunities in his state. The change, announced Tuesday, eliminates extended early voting hours on weekdays, the final two days before Election Day as well as Sunday voting, a day typically important to African-American voters because churches use it to turn out votes.

The early voting period is vital to the elderly, low-income voters, and anyone else with limited means to get to the polls, not to mention that it cuts down on election-day long lines and chaos. MSNBC notes that in 2008, black voters made up 56 percent “of all weekend voters in Cuyahoga County, Ohio’s largest, even though they made up just 28% of the county’s population.”

Husted’s announcement comes on the heels of other Ohio initiatives to suppress turnout. Ohio just passed two bills that eliminates an entire week of early voting and end the practice of mailing absentee ballots.

Husted, known for vote suppression, similarly tried to cut Sunday voting hours in the 2012 presidential election. A federal appeals court intervened, concluding that the directive would mean “thousands of voters who would have voted during those three days will not be able to exercise their right to cast a vote in person.’”

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/25/3329131/ohio-restricts-early-voting-hours-key-black-turnout/#



Shouldn't voting hours be expanded? Why are Republicans doing all they can to restrict voting in battleground states like Ohio?

Because increased turnout favors Dems.

Could they be any more obvious?
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Ohio Cuts Early Voting Hours That Are Key To Black Turnout (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 OP
So he wants working people to call in sick on election day? What a friend to the working man! nt freshwest Feb 2014 #1
Take it to court mpcamb Feb 2014 #35
The 2014 election season isn't waiting until November. Every day counts. Court works, takes time. freshwest Feb 2014 #36
I'm not a lawyer but can't they get a TRO and get this change held up until the CTyankee Mar 2014 #50
All I can say is that I intensely despise Ohio Rs. Deep13 Feb 2014 #2
We need the Federal Gov have State votes through peoples, ss,irs,medicaid,medicare,military records Sunlei Feb 2014 #3
Election fraud AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #4
Craven and despicable. lark Feb 2014 #5
There is no mistake why they do it. albino65 Feb 2014 #6
Keeping people from voting is the only plan the republicans have liberal N proud Feb 2014 #7
well said, when is the last time a republican has won an Presidential election that wasn't rigged? olddad56 Feb 2014 #27
They can't win a fair fight mac56 Mar 2014 #45
Expect to see a lot of this as state legislatures act this round. Loser desperation! Coyotl Feb 2014 #8
Typical Republican JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #9
Good thing the Supreme Court says . . . aggiesal Feb 2014 #10
OHIO>> VOTE THE ASSHOLES OUT. Cha Feb 2014 #11
Hope a federal court overturns that! gopiscrap Feb 2014 #12
this will make it all the harder for republicans to get elected ... Botany Feb 2014 #13
Why aren't there federal laws to voters from all of this? This is nuts! tofuandbeer Feb 2014 #14
why rtracey Feb 2014 #15
I have done election protection work in OH Botany Feb 2014 #16
It isn't the "black" vote. It's the "not-rich" vote. jeff47 Feb 2014 #23
Updated headline: Kacish's pole numbers are tanking and looks like he could lose this year LynneSin Feb 2014 #17
And Ohioans Are Going to Strongly React By... BodieTown Feb 2014 #18
Not a problem. Start a list of businesses that encourage their workers to vote and give them jtuck004 Feb 2014 #19
Florida all over again. And it worked so well for them in '12. Lochloosa Feb 2014 #20
Manatee County FL has plans to close 30% of giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #51
The very idea that voting isn't highlighted as a patriotic glowing Feb 2014 #21
Mail-in ballot does have a danger jeff47 Feb 2014 #26
Oregon's Vote by Mail is Safe and Secure Thunderbeast Feb 2014 #32
The Republians are absolutely disgusting. olegramps Feb 2014 #22
of course heaven05 Feb 2014 #24
More than anything else, it's to harm us Democrats! AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #25
Meanwhile, "internet" liberals everywhere are consumed with Obama listening to their phone calls. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #28
Call it for what it is, UN-AMERICAN!!! Dustlawyer Feb 2014 #29
"and end the practice of mailing absentee ballots. " Bandit Feb 2014 #30
About 2% of total votes cast were cast on days/times that were being eliminated Travis_0004 Feb 2014 #31
What about also ending entirely absentee voting, though? merrily Feb 2014 #38
They didn't end absentee ballots Travis_0004 Feb 2014 #40
I don't know of any state that just mails out absentee ballots that merrily Mar 2014 #41
They didn't send actual ballots, but applications unsolicited. Travis_0004 Mar 2014 #47
Not what the OP article says, though. merrily Mar 2014 #48
Okay, I found another article that is clearer. merrily Mar 2014 #49
Of course they do. And the DEMS repsonse...??? blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #33
Ohio Dems Must Step Up Voter Transportation marias23 Feb 2014 #34
Not only voter transportation. And not only Ohio. merrily Feb 2014 #39
Educate voters about absentee ballots! merrily Feb 2014 #37
Why don't you just get rid of Tuesday voting and put it on a Saturday????. Theyletmeeatcake2 Mar 2014 #42
This type of SH....CRAP is despicable! bobGandolf Mar 2014 #43
This is a national disgrace. We need a new Voting Rights Act, permanent Federal laws... Hekate Mar 2014 #44
Hear,hear!!! Theyletmeeatcake2 Mar 2014 #46
Where in the HELL is SCOTUS ?????????? Tippy Mar 2014 #52
The voting rights criminality marches on and on. nt ladjf Mar 2014 #53
Their pulling this shit again sakabatou Mar 2014 #54
Even voting on Tuesday is discriminary because poor people can't afford to take time off to vote. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #55

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. The 2014 election season isn't waiting until November. Every day counts. Court works, takes time.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:05 PM
Feb 2014

Not that pitchforks and torches will work either... One of my favorite sites I watch between bouts of DU is down right now... Over 600 people are commenting. Some say they are getting their pitchforks and ready to storm the firewall... LOL.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
50. I'm not a lawyer but can't they get a TRO and get this change held up until the
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:34 AM
Mar 2014

case can be adjudicated?

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
2. All I can say is that I intensely despise Ohio Rs.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:35 PM
Feb 2014

They know they can't win in a fair fight, so they are rigging the system, just like they are doing with gerrymandering and ID requirements.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. We need the Federal Gov have State votes through peoples, ss,irs,medicaid,medicare,military records
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:48 PM
Feb 2014

The Federal Gov. knows exactly who we are and exactly where we live through our records with them.

Bypass the Republicans who hate on anyone they fear will not vote for them.

lark

(23,099 posts)
5. Craven and despicable.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:55 PM
Feb 2014

Those are the two nicest words I can think of to describe these Repugs. The American ideal and constitution mean nothing to them, power for the rich is everything. D i s g u s t i n g!!!

 

albino65

(484 posts)
6. There is no mistake why they do it.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:05 PM
Feb 2014

“I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine,” said Doug Preisse, chairman of the county Republican Party and elections board member who voted against weekend hours, in an email to The Dispatch. “Let’s be fair and reasonable.”
He called claims of unfairness by Ohio Democratic Chairman Chris Redfern and others “bullshit. Quote me!”


Believe me, I will not stop quoting this bastard. I do not know why someone doesn't file a civil rights case against these assholes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/us/politics/ohio-early-voting-battle-flares-after-racial-comment-by-republican-official.html?_r=0

This was two years ago. They never let up, and we shouldn't either. This statement needs to be put up on billboards.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
27. well said, when is the last time a republican has won an Presidential election that wasn't rigged?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:42 PM
Feb 2014

over 20 years ago at least.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. Expect to see a lot of this as state legislatures act this round. Loser desperation!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:19 PM
Feb 2014

The Rs know they are fighting a losing battle unless they can fix the results by whatever and every means possible.

JustAnotherGen

(31,819 posts)
9. Typical Republican
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:20 PM
Feb 2014

This is what Republicans do. And you are correct - voting hours should be expanded - but voting rights won't be a key part of the Democratic Platform and initiatives until . . .

aggiesal

(8,914 posts)
10. Good thing the Supreme Court says . . .
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:26 PM
Feb 2014

that there is no racism in this country since they overturned parts of the voting rights act,
because it might actually look like this was done on purpose.

Botany

(70,502 posts)
13. this will make it all the harder for republicans to get elected ...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:47 PM
Feb 2014

.... because the people who are being screwed will get pissed off and vote.

trust me on this.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
15. why
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:58 PM
Feb 2014

Why is early voting key to the "black" vote. It should be key to " ALL" voters. IF they cut times to vote, then suck it up and get in there on the days they can vote. DON'T LIE DOWN AND ALLOW ANYONE TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE.. If the right passes a law thay says you need ID, then go get ID..the govt will supply ID for free in most cases and help get you to the place to get it. COME ON FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS.

Botany

(70,502 posts)
16. I have done election protection work in OH
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:04 PM
Feb 2014

One of the big reasons why the republicans want to stop as much early voting as
possible because they are very good at screwing with election day but if you
give people a month or so to vote there is little they can do about that.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
23. It isn't the "black" vote. It's the "not-rich" vote.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:21 PM
Feb 2014

Election day is not necessarily an easy day to vote. Most people work on Tuesdays. If you're in a well-paid position, your boss won't mind if you leave in the middle of the day to vote. If you're not in a well-paid position, your boss will fire you if you try to leave in the middle of the day to vote.

Voting before or after work has problems of long lines, because of everyone else trying to vote before or after work. Add in kids to care for and similar responsibilities, and that 2-hour line becomes a very large obstacle.

Plus it's really easy to screw with voters based on income, since you vote near home. Arbitrarily decide to cut the number of voting machines in half where the poor folks live, and that 2-hour line becomes a 4-hour line.

Early voting destroys these tactics - the voter can fit in voting around their job's schedule, you don't build up a very long line because of the much longer voting period, and most early voting is done at common locations instead of at an election-day precinct.

.the govt will supply ID for free in most cases and help get you to the place to get it.

False.

First, few states offer a free ID.

Second, the ID typically requires other non-free documentation. I can't get a state ID without a birth certificate. A certified copy of my birth certificate costs $60. So even if my state gave out IDs for free, I would have to pay to get documentation required to get the free ID. Not to mention I'd still have to provide some proof of my address, like a utility bill. What do I do if I'm an 18-year-old living at home, and Mom & Dad pay the bills?

Third, you've got the same problem as early voting. The DMV issues the state IDs. They're open normal business hours. If I'm working a low-wage job, it's unlikely that the boss will give me time off to get the ID. And if I were to go around the edges of the workday, you run into the same problem as voting around the edges of the day. Long lines as large numbers of people try to fit it in.

COME ON FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS.

Hierarchy of needs. You can't fight for your rights when you are fighting for your food and shelter. Which is also from the same playbook as the voting restrictions.

What we need is to change "election day". Instead of one Tuesday, it needs to be both a Saturday and a Sunday, and all employers would be required to give one of those days off - employees that work that Saturday can not work that Sunday, and vice-versa. That makes it far easier to vote on election day, which makes early voting far less critical.

And proponents of voter ID laws should have to demonstrate in-person voter fraud actually occurs before we require IDs to vote.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
17. Updated headline: Kacish's pole numbers are tanking and looks like he could lose this year
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:06 PM
Feb 2014

just saying.

He's one of the governors that came riding on the Tea Party wave. Many of those governors are looking to be dredged back out to sea in 2014.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
19. Not a problem. Start a list of businesses that encourage their workers to vote and give them
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:15 PM
Feb 2014

time to do so, and quit doing business with those that don't, or shut them down on voting day, suggest the business owner send a thank you card to Husted.

Or something else. That many voters could have a heck of an economic impact - they are far from powerless.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
21. The very idea that voting isn't highlighted as a patriotic
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:12 PM
Feb 2014

duty, with a week long celebration/ national holiday (paid time off or mandatory allowance for voting), and govt services coming around to homes that need assistance getting to the polls to cast a ballot in our "democratic" country, that supposedly the rest of the world should emulate, is tragic when the reverse occurs.

It is sad that a party or leaders have to resort to these shenanigans in order to keep voter/ citizen participation in choosing their representative to low turn out... ALL because they know they are failing the average citizen and are no longer working for the good of the people.

When Rick Scott did this in Fl, it had the opposite effect. People knew they were being disenfranchised and they stood in longer lines and became creative in getting people to the polls... Also, people are taking advantage of the mail in ballot. I know my husband and I do; this way I can work on GOTV during election time. Plus, I have time to check out the Judges and school board elections. People filling those seats are sometimes more important than a Mayor or House Rep because they effect on the ground day to day items that concerns our lives or our children's lives.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. Mail-in ballot does have a danger
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:36 PM
Feb 2014

It makes vote-buying practical.

Right now, vote-buying doesn't happen because it isn't practical. The buyer has no idea if you actually voted the way you claim. But with mail-in ballots, the buyer can make you hand over the filled-out ballot and only pay if you voted the way they wanted.

Mail-in ballots haven't been done in a situation where a couple million in bribes was available, and could swing the state. So far, only OR has done it in very large numbers, and OR wasn't a swing state in that time.

Basically, if the Brooks Brothers riot didn't lead to any charges, I really don't think Republicans would refrain from vote-buying in a swing state.

Thunderbeast

(3,407 posts)
32. Oregon's Vote by Mail is Safe and Secure
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:36 PM
Feb 2014

Fear of vote buying has simply not happened in the nearly twenty years that Oregon has used mail-in ballots exclusively. Oregon WAS a competitive state in Presidential elections prior to 2008. Our last governor's race was decided by less than a two percent margin. Until 2006, we had a Republican Senator. To say that Vote by Mail has not been tested is simply untrue.

Vote by Mail is safe and reliable. Unlike traditional elections based on physical polling places, Vote by Mail allows each voter's signature to be compared to the signature obtained at registration. Ballots are collected with the voter's signature on the reply envelope. Inside that envelope is a "SECRECY ENVELOPE" that contains the completed ballot for processing. In the very rare case that the voter's signature is in question, the elections officials can notify the voter of the problem, and obtain verification.

Vote by Mail is loved by most Oregon citizens. Nobody stands in line. Nobody has to arrange for child care. Nobody needs time off of work. In the nearly twenty years that the system has been in place, I have no memory of any cases of coercion, vote buying, or fraud being charged. Families can use the process to research and discuss their decisions over the kitchen table (if they want to), even for the down-ballot candidates and issues that do not get much attention before voters are confronted with a decision that they see for the first time on the ballot.

It makes no sense to me that Ohio and other states let elections officials continue to make voting so damn difficult for their citizens. Oregon, in my opinion, has solved this potential problem. Elections have legitimacy here. Vote by Mail eliminates the temptation for partisan voting officials to "stack the deck" in the voting machine allocation process.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
22. The Republians are absolutely disgusting.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:21 PM
Feb 2014

We need a constitutional amendment that would put all elections to national offices under federal control. I am also dead set against life-time appointments of federal judgeships. Rather than providing for independence they have become just as partisan as the congress.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
24. of course
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:22 PM
Feb 2014

last election turnout scared the hell out of the RW asshole snakes in this country. If people think it's worth voting, we'll vote. The RW assholes are making it difficult. Carpools are one answer. Churches and the NAACP better get fleets of buses or 8 passenger vans to facilitate voting. Any other democratic left leaning groups should be thinking the same thing. I don't know how practical, but ideas are what will counter these RW jerks.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
25. More than anything else, it's to harm us Democrats!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

Of course, it's become rather plain to see that racism and other prejudices have played a not-too-insignificant role in this as well, but classism also plays its own part, but more than anything, it's a strike against Democrats in general. The .1% are scared of us liberals. And they'll do anything to stave off their demise. *Anything*.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
28. Meanwhile, "internet" liberals everywhere are consumed with Obama listening to their phone calls.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:46 PM
Feb 2014

Women's rights, voter rights, minority rights, economic fairness, cardcheck and other pocketbook issues used to be of primary concern for "liberals". Nowadays, they've fallen victim to the Pied Piper of Brazil, whose only concern is self-promotion and self enrichment ($$$$$). My only consolation is that they're pretty much contained "Underground", where they're not much of a threat to themselves or others.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
29. Call it for what it is, UN-AMERICAN!!!
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

Ok, turn over your flag pins Repugs, you lost the right to wear them!

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
30. "and end the practice of mailing absentee ballots. "
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:47 PM
Feb 2014

What exactly does this mean? No more Absentee Voting? Democrats MUST get off their ass and DEMAND "Vote By Mail" or just let the GOP run rampant.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
31. About 2% of total votes cast were cast on days/times that were being eliminated
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:10 PM
Feb 2014

Source http://www.nova-ohio.org/Racial%20and%20ethnic%20proportions%20of%20early%20in-person%20voting.pdf

Also, that 2% figure doesn't break down saturday/sunday, and Saturday voting will still be around, so the actual figure is less.

Ohio had several lawsuits because rural (white counties) had limited early voting hours. They were smaller counties, with smaller populations/budgets, and didn't want to be open as much as a large county. As a result of those lawsuits, Ohio is trying to have uniform hours statewide

I agree that expanding the days would be best, but there are still 23 days to vote. You can also request an absentee ballot, no excuse needed. I doubt people will not be able to make it on any of the 23 days, and if that is the case vote absentee.

States with no early voting: http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/absentee-and-early-voting.aspx
MO
MS
AL
SC
VA
KY
MI
PA
NY
DE
MA
NH
CT
RI
MN

Are all these states racist as well and trying to suppress votes?

States that don't allow absentee ballots without an excuse.
TX
LA
AR
TN
IN
TN
WV.


Ohio probably has better voting laws than 20+ states. I'm not saying that the changes in Ohio were good. But I'm also not going to run around and claim the sky is falling like some people in this thread.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. What about also ending entirely absentee voting, though?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:19 AM
Feb 2014

From the OP article:



Husted’s announcement comes on the heels of other Ohio initiatives to suppress turnout. Ohio just passed two bills that eliminates an entire week of early voting and end the practice of mailing absentee ballots.
 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
40. They didn't end absentee ballots
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:32 AM
Feb 2014

They just won't have some counties send out unsolicited absentee ballots. If you want to vote absentee, you can still request one, and you don't have to give a reason why you want one.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
41. I don't know of any state that just mails out absentee ballots that
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:57 AM
Mar 2014

no one has requested (aka unsolicited). Something is off somewhere.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
47. They didn't send actual ballots, but applications unsolicited.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:40 AM
Mar 2014

I know its true, since I've received them.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
48. Not what the OP article says, though.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:00 AM
Mar 2014

Also, in my experience, the cities and towns deal with absentee ballots, not the state. And, even though I live in a blue state in a blue city with no early voting, I've never heard of a locale sending out even applications unsolicited.

I don't doubt your experience, but I cannot explain it. It is certainly not typical. Your receiving something in the mail is not proof of a policy, though.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
49. Okay, I found another article that is clearer.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:56 AM
Mar 2014

Apparently, in Ohio, it's individual counties that do or do not send out unsolicited applications for absentee ballots. However, a recent state law says that the counties cannot do that.




merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. Not only voter transportation. And not only Ohio.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:26 AM
Feb 2014

First, voter education. Make sure everyone in each and every state knows what the rules are--and who to contact about changing them. For only two examples, make sure people know if their state requires a photo ID and make sure they know whom to notify when they move from one part of a city to another. Make sure everyone knows about absentee ballots, too.

Second, help get the photo ID or anything else they need to vote--and start now. My state does not require much for voting, but I had to get a photo ID for banking purposes. It took me a long time and a few payments to get records, photos, etc. The payments were okay for me, but they are not okay for the very poor.

Third, get people registered to vote.

Now, get them to the polls.






Theyletmeeatcake2

(348 posts)
42. Why don't you just get rid of Tuesday voting and put it on a Saturday????.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:10 AM
Mar 2014

Less messing around for voters which must mean it's more democratic...and while you're at it piss off those voting machines and bring in paper ballots....there you go all fixed....where do I send the bill..

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
43. This type of SH....CRAP is despicable!
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:54 AM
Mar 2014

How the hell can he justify the cuts without a smile on his face? This is not a money saving issue, it's making voting harder for everyone, but the black population, in particular. Last time the courts stepped in, but the dems in Ohio need to get their crap together and vote them out of office.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
44. This is a national disgrace. We need a new Voting Rights Act, permanent Federal laws...
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:11 AM
Mar 2014

...that lay out the whole process for every voter in every state in the country, no exceptions. Maybe we need to make Election Day a federal holiday, or mandate extending it for a week, or guarantee time off from work with penalties for employers who try to punish employees for taking time off. Make sure every precinct has more than ample voting booths, extend the hours.

Just for Gods' sake make it a federal crime in every state in the nation to block citizens from voting.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
55. Even voting on Tuesday is discriminary because poor people can't afford to take time off to vote.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 12:26 PM
Mar 2014

If we had two days of voting on the weekend we could solve a lot of problems.

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