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jsr

(7,712 posts)
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:08 PM Feb 2014

Friday Night Goes Dark as Texas School Shuts $60 Million Football Stadium

Source: Reuters

DALLAS — One of the most expensive high school football stadiums in the United States has been temporarily shut due to structural problems less than two years after it opened in the Dallas suburb of Allen.

The $60 million stadium has developed cracks of nearly an inch wide in the concrete of its elevated concourse that could make it unsafe, the school district said this week.

In Allen, as in many parts of Texas, high school football games are some of the most important events on the calendar. Texas high school football is such a cultural phenomenon that it has inspired a book, movie and TV series, all called "Friday Night Lights."

The eye-popping price for the 18,000-seater stadium that includes a $1.3 million scoreboard, was financed as part of a voter-approved $119 million bond package.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/02/28/us/28reuters-usa-stadium-texas.html

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Friday Night Goes Dark as Texas School Shuts $60 Million Football Stadium (Original Post) jsr Feb 2014 OP
Who needs regulations?? nt barnabas63 Feb 2014 #1
not Texas..., they think they know... no text Stuart G Feb 2014 #2
From fracking to cracking... KansDem Feb 2014 #3
If they can't use the stadium exboyfil Feb 2014 #4
60 million bucks????!!! Gadzooks! Turbineguy Feb 2014 #5
I bet it's all the fracking there . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #6
They are screwed Botany Feb 2014 #7
The only cheap fix would be to support the elevated sections cosmicone Feb 2014 #15
I can't tell by looking @ the picture but if the concrete has cracks ..... Botany Feb 2014 #21
Some of that nice, cheap Chinese steel like they'll use on the keystone pipeline Blue Owl Feb 2014 #8
60 million bucks and they still couldn't even get it right? Brigid Feb 2014 #9
Corruption most likely the root cause. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #11
That is federal investigation worthy corruption. Damn. nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #18
One of the most expensive? Incitatus Feb 2014 #10
Allen, Texas, has one (1) high school Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #12
Eye opening. Thanks /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #14
I live in Texas Sweet Freedom Feb 2014 #13
I'd be willing to bet a beer...... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #16
Meh, the town could go bankrupt for all I care fujiyama Feb 2014 #17
I wonder whose brother-in-law got the concrete contract for the project? FSogol Feb 2014 #19
What would you bet mbuch64 Feb 2014 #20
Two things some Texas construction companies are known for: CHEAP labor and materials. TxVietVet Mar 2014 #22
Good ol' boy contractors and corruption Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #23

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
4. If they can't use the stadium
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:17 PM
Feb 2014

how can they service the debt. Who is on the hook for a default?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/high-schools/allen-news/headlines/20120825-state-of-art-eagle-stadium-rises-from-recession.ece

They got in the Texas vs. the Nation. Will they get in the Tom Landry classic in August?

Turbineguy

(37,370 posts)
5. 60 million bucks????!!! Gadzooks!
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:19 PM
Feb 2014

Let's just hope that's all taxpayer money at risk and not private! That would be a problem.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
6. I bet it's all the fracking there . . .
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:28 PM
Feb 2014

It could be cheap concrete, but I bet it's all the fracking going on there causing ground subsidence, through depletion of the water table.

Botany

(70,588 posts)
7. They are screwed
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:30 PM
Feb 2014


If that is the elevsted concourse in front of the brick buildings then this will be
a very tough fix. It could be bad concrete, not enough steel re-bar in the concrete,
or a design flaw or flaws but no matter what it is the fix will not be easy or cheap.

I wonder how much the school district is spending on math and reading?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. The only cheap fix would be to support the elevated sections
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:46 PM
Feb 2014

with concrete columns on the periphery and that will make the stadium look ugly.

Botany

(70,588 posts)
21. I can't tell by looking @ the picture but if the concrete has cracks .....
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:28 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Sat Mar 1, 2014, 09:20 AM - Edit history (1)

.... between the brick buildings and the bleacher seats they might
have to rip the whole thing down and rebuild it. It could be a design
flaw .... look @ the architects and or the engineers ..... it could be
a bad pour of concrete or the make up of the concrete was bad ....
or the steel re-bar inside the concrete was bad .... or the structural
steel framing was bad for one reason or another but it looks to me that
the area under the concourse is used for locker rooms or other things
and so if you don't want pieces of concrete falling on Coach Jones' head
they might have to rip it down and build it again.



You might be right about the columns but I don't see how they could
carry the load.

I wonder if somebody or a group of people didn't do their do diligence
and tested the soil and sub soil before the thing was built.

BTW if I was in a position in Allen Texas I would be finding out who
was at fault and telling "them" the city and or school district is not paying
one dime to fix the problem.



Bernardo de La Paz

(49,044 posts)
12. Allen, Texas, has one (1) high school
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:32 PM
Feb 2014

Allen, Texas, population 85,000 has one high school with over 5,000 students in attendance.

$60,000,000 divided by 5,000 = $12,000 that could be spent on students.

Amortize it over, say, 20 years and that is $600 per student per year.

Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
13. I live in Texas
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:01 PM
Feb 2014

Football reigns over everything. At my daughter's last school, which was brand new, every teacher hired had a connection to sports. Their main goal was making district. In fact, each football player had three helmets, but the auditorium had no lights. The theatre department had to perform in the cafeteria.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
17. Meh, the town could go bankrupt for all I care
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:18 PM
Feb 2014

Actually I hope it does. After all, it's always these sorts of towns lecturing blue states about fiscal responsibility.

These towns have some very fucked up priorities. Sixty million dollars could go a long way in actually providing people an education - something that keeps brain cells in tact - and doesn't lead people to have concussions and a myriad of other injuries.

But all snark aside, I understand that football is a big part of Texas culture. Not my thing but whatever. Maybe by prioritizing education, you can actually have a big football stadium, built at a fraction of the cost - designed by competent engineers, built by skilled tradespeople, using high quality materials...but that would imply actually educating society. Something these half wits never understand. What pisses me off more than anything is their arrogance in lecturing the left that "throwing money at something solves problems".

Well, there you have it. Welfare is great if it goes toward fighter jets and football stadiums.

mbuch64

(55 posts)
20. What would you bet
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:45 PM
Feb 2014

It wouldn't be surprising if they tore it down and then built a 90 million dollar stadium. I have to wonder how much of the 60 million they actually spent on the stadium and how much got skimmed off by contractors who probably got a no bid contract to build the stadium.

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
22. Two things some Texas construction companies are known for: CHEAP labor and materials.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:21 AM
Mar 2014

I'm sure the constructor got his loot. I saw him in a news clip and he's willing to help fix the flaws. I'm willing to be he'll want more money to correct it. The first thing that came to my mind was that Brown and Root poured the concrete. If KBR did it, it was done as cheap as possible on material and labor to maximize profits.

The most important thing is that WTF does a high school need a $60M stadium?

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